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I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.it will be a miracle if no one dies,,,,how can anyone be trapped in the building and walk away?
Yes the rest does. Unless that building was doused for roof to base in gasoline it should not have gone up that fast. If it wasn't bombed then the local officials need to look into what materials went into that structure because I'd guarantee other buildings are made of the same stuff. They need to look into smoke detectors and sprinklers and whether or not they were working. Judging by the amount of injuries currently reported, the time of day it occurred and the minimal reports of death and eye witness reports of people trapped, the death toll is going to climb significantly. Their could be whole families cremated in mess.if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.it will be a miracle if no one dies,,,,how can anyone be trapped in the building and walk away?
the point is
who started that fire
the rest doesn't matter
Think I'd rather live in a tent.What would possess anybody to.live in such rat.cages?
Poverty, people don't choose to live in such buildings, they economically have no choice but to be housed in such buildings.
This is the Liberal dream to have all private property taken so more Public living spaces can be loaned out by the government. The USSR was notorious with events like this, as no one could have a house and all the citizens of the USSR lived in high rises, with poor quality of housing, poor quality of electrical and poor plumbing. We keep seeing the failure of government every time, by the events of the dept of the interior and BP oil, city of Detroit decayed city pipes(under Liberal mayor) and now the wonderful British government that allowed this shithole of a high rise to be occupied while the residents knew it was a death trap. Liberalism is about good intentions, but always ends in disaster.
I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.it will be a miracle if no one dies,,,,how can anyone be trapped in the building and walk away?
Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.it will be a miracle if no one dies,,,,how can anyone be trapped in the building and walk away?
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
I agree that's a fishy story. I've never heard of a frig blowing up. The only thing I can think of is if the refrigerator had faulty electrical and that's what the guy meant. Sounds to me that this place was a low income building so old or cheap refrigerators would probably be in use.There are giving the same explanation on the French média BFM Tv, it sound like a big bullshit a refrigerator just don't blow up !The witness on BBC said she heard one guy say get out my refrigerator blew up. How the hell does a refrigerator blow up?I think the dumbasses blew themselves up.
good point.Yes, it is quite possible San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have bomb-making materials in their kitchenThere are giving the same explanation on the French média BFM Tv, it sound like a big bullshit a refrigerator just don't blow up !The witness on BBC said she heard one guy say get out my refrigerator blew up. How the hell does a refrigerator blow up?I think the dumbasses blew themselves up.
Those terrible Beko ones manufactured in Turkey have a bad record, or perhaps there was something involving one of the flats was making Meth or one of the flats had been turned into a bomb factory.
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They are saying that parts of the exterior are falling endangering firefighters, they really didn't think this one through did they.Because normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!Yes, it is quite possible San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have bomb-making materials in their kitchen
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At this time nobody knows what the starter was, it could be anything from a gas explosion, to possibly an exploding household device, to a flat being a Meth Factory or a flat being a Bomb Making Factory.
I would bet money on what caused the spread of the inferno that engulfed an entire tower of 27 storeys in they say just 15 minutes and that's the exterior cladding that was a mixture of oil-based plastic and foam and it spread from top to bottom inside probably because of these softwood doors and non-fire resistant paint and could have been avoided if it wasn't for things being carried out on the cheap.
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This below is a picture of an elderly man looking out of the window last night while the horror was unfolding, I wonder if he managed to escape, looking at the condition of the structure around him and that the glass in the window is also intact, it suggests that he was in one of the floors 1-4 the only floors that remained unaffected by the inferno.
Scenes From the West London High-Rise Fire
The below picture shows the cladding panels, a mixture of oil-based plastic which will be backed with foam and sheet metal. As I've commented before, it will be this type of cladding that caused the inferno to engulf the exterior of the building up to the roof in such a fast 15 minute period.
This is the actual Grenfell Tower building pre-horror inferno.
This below picture is the actual Grenfell Tower building as it was before they put the above cladding panels on, as you can see it's all concrete, the reason why they put the above cladding panels on buildings is mainly for aesthetic reasons to make the building seem more attractive.
The Grenfell Tower before and after.
The concrete on the left, had they have used concrete on the right, the whole exterior of the building wouldn't have engulfed into a complete inferno.
The Grenfell Tower now.
Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.it will be a miracle if no one dies,,,,how can anyone be trapped in the building and walk away?
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Hard to say. While it is a worst case scenario it sounds like a birthday candle could have set this POS ablaze.so do we all smell a rat? the floor it started on? the time it went ablaze?
if u were on the third floor and above once the lower two were fully ablaze,,,yah,,,,,unless u had a rope/bedsheet to hang out the windows,,,,,dont think soWhy the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
Actually, no cause has been determinrd.
They are saying that parts of the exterior are falling endangering firefighters, they really didn't think this one through did they.Because normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!At this time nobody knows what the starter was, it could be anything from a gas explosion, to possibly an exploding household device, to a flat being a Meth Factory or a flat being a Bomb Making Factory.
I would bet money on what caused the spread of the inferno that engulfed an entire tower of 27 storeys in they say just 15 minutes and that's the exterior cladding that was a mixture of oil-based plastic and foam and it spread from top to bottom inside probably because of these softwood doors and non-fire resistant paint and could have been avoided if it wasn't for things being carried out on the cheap.
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This below is a picture of an elderly man looking out of the window last night while the horror was unfolding, I wonder if he managed to escape, looking at the condition of the structure around him and that the glass in the window is also intact, it suggests that he was in one of the floors 1-4 the only floors that remained unaffected by the inferno.
Scenes From the West London High-Rise Fire
The below picture shows the cladding panels, a mixture of oil-based plastic which will be backed with foam and sheet metal. As I've commented before, it will be this type of cladding that caused the inferno to engulf the exterior of the building up to the roof in such a fast 15 minute period.
This is the actual Grenfell Tower building pre-horror inferno.
This below picture is the actual Grenfell Tower building as it was before they put the above cladding panels on, as you can see it's all concrete, the reason why they put the above cladding panels on buildings is mainly for aesthetic reasons to make the building seem more attractive.
The Grenfell Tower before and after.
The concrete on the left, had they have used concrete on the right, the whole exterior of the building wouldn't have engulfed into a complete inferno.
The Grenfell Tower now.
Considering those left in the building were essentially cremated there's a possibility that not all the people will be found depending on how hot that building got and how destroyed the bodies are. Last night they were saying that ambulances were arriving but not leaving; that's never a good sign.Why the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?At this point they can't. That building is toast, if they didn't get out in the beginning, they are probably dead.
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
if u were on the third floor and above once the lower two were fully ablaze,,,yah,,,,,unless u had a rope/bedsheet to hang out the windows,,,,,dont think soWhy the hell would you allow any building to be clad in an oil based product? That makes no sense. If that's the case the UK needs to revamp their safety codes and pull that crap off any other buildings that might have the same materials.I watched 9/11 unfold on TV. Compared to last night I'd say the London building went up much faster than the WTC and the WTC had Jet fuel in it. I don't get it WTF?if there is no fire escape/stairs...yah,,,your toast.,,,but even if there was,,,the fire spread quickly,,,,,so they only had ..what? 10 minutes to run?
The WTC and the Grenfell Tower were constructed from completely different materials that's why, I don't think the exterior of the WTC had from top to bottom had oil-based plastic cladding backed with foam, this is why it only took the Grenfell Tower 15 minutes approx to become a completely engulfed inferno.
The WTC was made of steel,glass and concrete. Unfortunately it also had a large amount of asbestos so all that dust after the building collapsed was toxic. The death toll on that day was near 3000 but many more have died and continue to die as a direct result of that attack.
Yes it's complete madness.
They are saying, the London Police this is, are saying that up to 600 people might have been in the Grenfell Tower last night. What they have said is that 6 are confirmed dead, these might or might not be some of those who witnesses observed jumping out of the windows of the Grenfell Tower, so 6 confirmed dead, 75 in the hospital and the rest are unaccounted for, that leaves potentially 519 people still in the Grenfell Tower and by looking at that building I would say the chance is zero that they are still alive.
Actually, no cause has been determinrd.
What this is is proof that we actually need our regulations for building safety.
One stairwell, no central alarms, no sprinkler system. Disaster.
This is what Trump & the Republicans want here in America. To allow corporations to decide what safety equipment & design goes into our buildings.
