Breaking News: Alabama Chief Justice Orders Judges to Just Ignore Pro-Gay Marriage Federal Ruling

[WinterBorn]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

 

[WinterBorn]

Breaking Update::

A federal judge who overruled the will of Alabama voters and decided that same-sex “marriage” must be recognized in the state refused Monday to impose sanctions on Probate Judges who would not issue licenses to same-sex duos.


Federal judge refuses sanctions in 8216 gay marriage 8217 case

This makes some sense. The probate judges are under the control of Judge Roy Moore. They were caught between 2 conflicting authorities. Prosecuting or imposing sanctions on them would be a waste of time.

But once Roy Moore is impeached or kicked out of office again, the probate judges will issue the licenses. Perhaps sooner, since some counties are doing so now.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

 

[WinterBorn]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

We will let that be your little secret.

Actually, the Equal Protection Clause is not limited to racial issues. And the people being married in Alabama are all citizens. And they are covered under the EPC.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

We will let that be your little secret.

Actually, the Equal Protection Clause is not limited to racial issues. And the people being married in Alabama are all citizens. And they are covered under the EPC.

Marriage is not a Constitutional right. It is not even mentioned.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Equal protection Wex Legal Dictionary Encyclopedia LII Legal Information Institute

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S.
Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the
same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A
violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual
from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member
of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to
provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal
application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not
relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application."




Please learn and understand the US Constitution before making unfounded assertions about it. Thank you.

 

[Skylar]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

And were does the 14th say it only applies on racial/citizenship issues?

 

[WinterBorn]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

We will let that be your little secret.

Actually, the Equal Protection Clause is not limited to racial issues. And the people being married in Alabama are all citizens. And they are covered under the EPC.

Mariage is not a Constitutional right. It is not even mentioned.

No it is not. And this is not about whether or not the US Constitution mentions marriage. It is about whether all citizens are afford equal protection under the law.

 

[Skylar]

Equal protection Wex Legal Dictionary Encyclopedia LII Legal Information Institute

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S.
Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the
same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A
violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual
from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member
of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to
provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal
application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not
relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application."

Please learn and understand the US Constitution before making unfounded assertions about it. Thank you.

And the courts have found that denying gay marriage isn't applying the law equally. As the restriction against gays is arbitrary, doesn't serve a legitimate legislative in, doesn't serve a compelling state interest, and has no rational reason.

Like interracial marriage before it, the restriction itself has to meet constitutional muster. And gay marriage bans have failed it with almost perfect regularity.

 

[Skylar]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

We will let that be your little secret.

Actually, the Equal Protection Clause is not limited to racial issues. And the people being married in Alabama are all citizens. And they are covered under the EPC.

Mariage is not a Constitutional right. It is not even mentioned.

Marriage is a right. And has been recognized as such by the courts numerous times.

As for it being 'mentioned', you clearly haven't read the 9th amendment. Please do so now. Then tell us if a reserve right needs to be enumerated.

 

[WinterBorn]

Equal protection Wex Legal Dictionary Encyclopedia LII Legal Information Institute

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S.
Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the
same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A
violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual
from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member
of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to
provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal
application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not
relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application."




Please learn and understand the US Constitution before making unfounded assertions about it. Thank you.

Thanks for saving me a Google search. Your answer is right there in your own post.

"The equal protection clause is not intended to
provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal
application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not
relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application"


The marriage laws have not been equally applied. That is the ruling of a federal judge. Somehow the opinion of someone who homeschools their children to avoid them finding out blacks are, in fact, human, does not carry much weight against that ruling.

 

[bodecea]

Please read the 9th and 10th Amendment. the federal government doesn't have the right to force States to accept same-sex marriage. Either you believe in the Constitution as written, including the Amendments. or you don't. It's that simple. Clearly you don't agree with or are unaware of what the Constitution says.

Perhaps YOU should read the US Constitution more thoroughly. Since you thought all blacks were only 3/5 of a person, you obviously have not done that.

If you had even read the briefs on the federal court decision, you would see that the 14th amendment, specifically the Equal Protection Clause, is what they used as the basis for their decision.

Get used to it. Just like the free black people you hate, same sex marriage is here to stay.

Due to this being a 9th and 10th Amendment Issue. The 14th Amendment does NOT apply as it is not a Racial/Citizenship Issue

Once again, someone who DOES NOT KNOW that the 14th amendment applies to all citizens, and is not applied just based on race.

 

[WinterBorn]

Judge Granade ruled on the case. Unless the SCOTUS overturned it, and that looks unlikely, you may as well get used to it.

 

[Preacher]

Can't apply marriage "equally" to homosexuals when marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman...so it is being applied equally....any man can marry any woman and any woman can marry any man.

 

[Skylar]

Can't apply marriage "equally" when marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman...so it is being applied equally....any man can marry any woman and any woman can marry any man.

The restriction against same sex unions itself must meet constitutional muster. It must have a valid reason, a legitimate legislative end, and serve a compelling state interest.

Gay marriage bans fail all three.

 

[WinterBorn]

Can't apply marriage "equally" when marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman...so it is being applied equally....any man can marry any woman and any woman can marry any man.

I guess it comes down to who has the authority to make that determination and who just gets to rant on an political forum.

Judge Granade ruled and the SCOTUS has refused to overrule. The definition of marriage has been expanded. Nothing was taken away from the old definition. It was expanded to include same-sex couples.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Skylar

The 14th does Not Apply. All of the Gay Rights advocates are specifically using Race Decisions when applying this to the Case coming before the Supreme Court. Every Case they use is the cases of Racial Discrimination in State Laws banning Whites from marrying outside of Race to another gender.

"Holding/Analysis

Yes, the law is invalidated because it violates both the equal protection clause and the due process clause of the United States constitution. The court decision was unanimous. The court argued that the right to marriage is a fundamental right of humanity and cannot be denied whatsoever to anyone on the basis of race, especially on the basis of the married parties’ race. This freedom resides with the individual and is protected by the constitution and cannot be violated by state legislatures. The court held that there could not be any legitimate state interest in proffering the law; and the only reason for it existing in the first place was to promote white supremacy.

The court also wrote that laws discriminating on the basis of race were subject to the “strictest” possible scrutiny. The lowest level – “rational basis” – examination does not apply in this case, because the law strikes at the core of racial discrimination."

This above is the original decision in the Loving v. Virginia Case. Again this is the same ruling as above and is a case of Race discrimination. Which is the Primary reason the 14th Amendment was passed.

The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Lovings' convictions in a unanimous decision (dated June 12, 1967), dismissing the Commonwealth of Virginia's argument that a law forbidding both white and black persons from marrying persons of another race—and providing identical penalties to white and black violators—could not be construed as racially discriminatory. The court ruled that Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute violated both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court held that:

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

The court concluded that anti-miscegenation laws were racist and had been enacted to perpetuate white supremacy:

There is patently no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination which justifies this classification. The fact that Virginia prohibits only interracial marriages involving white persons demonstrates that the racial classifications must stand on their own justification, as measures designed to maintain White Supremacy.

Associate Justice Potter Stewart filed a brief concurring opinion. He reiterated his opinion from McLaughlin v. Florida that "it is simply not possible for a state law to be valid under our Constitution which makes the criminality of an act depend upon the race of the actor."

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

The Constitutional Law that covers this Alabama case are the 9th and 10th ammendment and the 14th Amendment according to SCOTUS. Precedent is about race relations and Citizenship. Not about Marriage. Not one word in the 14th covers Marriage.

 

[Skylar]

Skylar

The 14th does Not Apply. All of the Gay Rights advocates are specifically using Race Decisions when applying this to the Case coming before the Supreme Court. Every Case they use is the cases of Racial Discrimination in State Laws banning Whites from marrying outside of Race to another gender.

Says you. Yet the court in Romer and Windsor cited 4 separate race based cases INCLUDING Loving V. Virginia in explaining why the rights of gays couldn't be violated.

With the federal judiciary explicitly finding, again and again, that the 14th amendment was violated by gay marriage bans.

The 14th amendment contains no restrictions to only race and citizenship based cases. It applies to all citizens. All applications of law. And all privileges and immunities of US citizens.

 

[Preacher]

No SCOTUS has refused to issue a hold until they issue their ruling in June. We ALL know what that ruling will say and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and a liar. We fight the fight until we die or we win.