Breaking News and Confirmed: Arizona Senate Passes Presidential Eligibility Bill 21-9

[blu]

It seems like AZ is trying to break a record for struck down laws. This nonsense will never stand a challenge

 

[Vast LWC]

The why the short skirt, pom-poms and blouse with a giant "O" emblazoned on it?

Yes, anyone who disagrees with a law because it is clearly unconstitutional, is obviously an Obama fan. Of course, that must be it.

You do realize that making this statement says much more about your partisan extremism than his (or hers), right?

Problem is, we use the United States constitution out in these parts.

"These Parts" being the Bizarro world. But you said "Divided States of Bizarro World America" incorrectly.

So you support this bill 100%.

Why didn't you just say so?

Documented evidence was provided. But you can keep on talking, you seem to amuse yourself.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obama is not going to win Arizona anyway

Best thing for him to do is not challenge Arizona's silly law and submit his COLB anyway. Force their hand and make Arizona keep the existing President of the United States off their ballot while the other 49 states allow him

The backlash against the Republicans would be fierce. It would appear Republicans are trying to steal the election and that the Republicans are being run by the lunatic fringe.

Best thing that could happen to Obama

Yep I hope obama does not produce the long form and does not run on the Arizona ballot. People are not that stupid more people would start to question why he's not running in that state. and more people will not vote for him.

You need to pay attention to posts you reply to. Rightwinger said the best thing would be for Obama to submit his COLB to AZ and have them REJECT him based on that new law (unconstitutional).

AZ would supplant TX as the laughingstock of the U.S. states.

I know what was said and I meant what I said.

 

[Vast LWC]

Exactly what is wrong with a state doing that? Shall we allow castro to become presicnt of the United Staes of America because he somehoew got a BC from hawaii or any other state?

What's wrong with doing that, is it is specifically banned by the Constitution.

If you would like to change the Constitution, you are free to push for an amendment. Until that happens, it is against the law.

In addition, this jibes quite well with the "intent of the founding fathers", as you right-wingers love to say, as you can be sure as hell that no state would stand for another state disqualifying one of their candidates on the basis that the legal judgement of said state "just wasn't good enough for them".

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not the issue, of course a State can require a candidate submit records that document their birth. The issue is that they cannot mandate under the Constitution irrelevant information be required on another states document.

The Arizona bill doesn't so you can breath a sigh of relief.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Exactly what is wrong with a state doing that? Shall we allow castro to become presicnt of the United Staes of America because he somehoew got a BC from hawaii or any other state?

What's wrong with doing that, is it is specifically banned by the Constitution.

If you would like to change the Constitution, you are free to push for an amendment. Until that happens, it is against the law.

In addition, this jibes quite well with the "intent of the founding fathers", as you right-wingers love to say, as you can be sure as hell that no state would stand for another state disqualifying one of their candidates on the basis that the legal judgement of said state "just wasn't good enough for them".

So is Obama a Natural Born Citizen that Article 2 Section 1 calls for to be President or is he a Native Born Citizen?

 

[Uncensored2008]

1. It has one state mandating irrelevant information be contained on another states official document.

False.

Cite the section of the bill that mandates ANYTHING from another state. The bill merely requires that the candidate provide acceptable proof.

IF you had an actual point, you wouldn't be reduced to fabricating things.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Exactly. I not really sure why some people can't see beyond partisanhip, sometimes the issue is simply abiding by the law of the land.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Unintentional irony is just the bestist kind...

 

[Vast LWC]

Exactly what is wrong with a state doing that? Shall we allow castro to become presicnt of the United Staes of America because he somehoew got a BC from hawaii or any other state?

What's wrong with doing that, is it is specifically banned by the Constitution.

If you would like to change the Constitution, you are free to push for an amendment. Until that happens, it is against the law.

In addition, this jibes quite well with the "intent of the founding fathers", as you right-wingers love to say, as you can be sure as hell that no state would stand for another state disqualifying one of their candidates on the basis that the legal judgement of said state "just wasn't good enough for them".

So is Obama a Natural Born Citizen that Article 2 Section 1 calls for to be President or is he a Native Born Citizen?

Hawaii says he is. And the only authority that can contradict the legal judgement of the State of Hawaii is either the US Congress or the Supreme Court.

Therefore, unless said contradiction happens, he is a Natural Born Citizen, yes.

The Congress has already affirmed Obama's citizenship in a rider to a piece a legislation 2 years ago, and the Supreme Court has thrown out every case that came before it on this matter based on lack of standing, so there is absolutely no way Arizona can legally deny Obama's right to run for president in their state based on a question of his citizenship.

They have every right to do so by choosing electors, etc, but have no right to create a law that calls into question the legal rulings or records of another state, which is what they did.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If Arizona rejects Hawaii's Official birth record issued to the public, the COLB which contains all the information necessary to determine the citizenship status of a person born in the United States under the 14th Amendment in violation of the Constitutional Full Faith and Credit clause...

Then I predict the case will be open, in federal court.


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Yawn...

What is it you drones fear so?

Arizona will accept the certified documents of any state, per the bill.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yawn...

What is it you drones fear so?

Arizona will accept the certified documents of any state, per the bill.

Would you allow a police officer to search your house without a warrant?

I mean, what do you have to fear?

 

[geauxtohell]

When it comes to issues of constitutional law, the birthers are real crack legal analysts.

Just ask Inmate Terry Lakin.

On second thought, you'd better just write him.

You don't hear the birthers talking about Terry much these days. I guess he was just an expendable soldier in the end.

 

[Ravi]

You keep trying to argue about the state's choosing of their electors as if it were relevant here.

ROFL

Oh dude, you are too funny.

The hate sites have programmed you to recite words, but you haven't a hint of a clue what those words mean.

Uh sparky, the method of choosing electors IS the election. The reason the constitution doesn't specifically say "election" is that there was a very strong coalition which favored the state legislature directly appointing the electors, the logic being that the people had elected their representatives, and the representatives would determine the president.

What you don't grasp is that a state COULD legally appoint the electors with no popular vote at all. Thankfully, no state does that. The method of choosing electors in all 50 state (though Obama thinks it's 57) is election.

That method is 100% up to the states.

Outstanding don't you think?

Ariz. Legislature OKs presidential 'birther' bill

News from The Associated Press

That is awesome! It shows that if the retarded apply themselves they can pass laws. Congrats, USArmyRetard.

 

[USArmyRetired]

What's wrong with doing that, is it is specifically banned by the Constitution.

If you would like to change the Constitution, you are free to push for an amendment. Until that happens, it is against the law.

In addition, this jibes quite well with the "intent of the founding fathers", as you right-wingers love to say, as you can be sure as hell that no state would stand for another state disqualifying one of their candidates on the basis that the legal judgement of said state "just wasn't good enough for them".

So is Obama a Natural Born Citizen that Article 2 Section 1 calls for to be President or is he a Native Born Citizen?

Hawaii says he is. And the only authority that can contradict the legal judgement of the State of Hawaii is either the US Congress or the Supreme Court.

Therefore, unless said contradiction happens, he is a Natural Born Citizen, yes.

The Congress has already affirmed Obama's citizenship in a rider to a piece a legislation 2 years ago, and the Supreme Court has thrown out every case that came before it on this matter based on lack of standing, so there is absolutely no way Arizona can legally deny Obama's right to run for president in their state based on a question of his citizenship.

They have every right to do so by choosing electors, etc, but have no right to create a law that calls into question the legal rulings or records of another state, which is what they did.

But I thought Obama is a Native Born Citizen and not a Natural Born Citizen.

 

[Vast LWC]

But I thought Obama is a Native Born Citizen and not a Natural Born Citizen.

"Natural Born" = "Native Born", unless you were born before the ratification of the Constitution. So unless Obama is 250 years old, he's both.

I believe your thinking of "Naturalized Citizen", which is completely different.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When it comes to issues of constitutional law, the birthers are real crack legal analysts.

Just ask Inmate Terry Lakin.

On second thought, you'd better just write him.

You don't hear the birthers talking about Terry much these days. I guess he was just an expendable soldier in the end.

And the douber haven't a clue about the counstitution. If they did they never would have agree wih obamacare. So crawl back in your hole snake.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Exactly what is wrong with a state doing that? Shall we allow castro to become presicnt of the United Staes of America because he somehoew got a BC from hawaii or any other state?

What's wrong with doing that, is it is specifically banned by the Constitution.

If you would like to change the Constitution, you are free to push for an amendment. Until that happens, it is against the law.

In addition, this jibes quite well with the "intent of the founding fathers", as you right-wingers love to say, as you can be sure as hell that no state would stand for another state disqualifying one of their candidates on the basis that the legal judgement of said state "just wasn't good enough for them".

Yhis I have got to see show where it says that

 

[Vast LWC]

Yhis I have got to see show where it says that

Article IV, Section 1 and 2.

It's already been posted like 8 times, look it up for yourself.

 

[gekaap]

How is this bill unconstitutional? There is no law that gives specific to how a state vets a person who is running for office.

Why can't you just have an honest discussion about all of this? You continue to try to reframe the issues in dishonest terms, and then apply your own failed theories about the law. The FF&C clause DOES apply to how states "vet" candidates for the Presidency when the state refuses to honor the vital records of another state.

 

[gekaap]

Yep I hope obama does not produce the long form and does not run on the Arizona ballot. People are not that stupid more people would start to question why he's not running in that state. and more people will not vote for him.

Ah, so now we get to what YOU are afraid of. You're afraid that Obama can't be beaten in the election. So you want to keep him off the ballot.