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It's not clear what you're trying to say? It seems the Jews Jesus preached to were not convinced by his message and the ones in his family and home town were also not convinced by him.Maybe you're only looking as hard as you want to see? He certainly wasn't worshiped by everyone he met, otherwise it's curious that he would say: "Prophets are not without honour, except in their hometown, and among their own kin, and in their own house." (Mark 6:1-6)
You're acting just the Jews in Jesus' hometown. Are you a Jew without faith or one without faith?
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.
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smh. The unforgiven.
"So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” Mark 3:23-29
Why did you bring this up???!!!???!!! Is this you?
While you're laughing, remember you have provided no evidence for your partisan version of gods.Because that is not conclusive evidence, or even evidence at all, that there is no life outside of earth.How is he a shaman when there has been no aliens for over one's lifetime?
thanks for the stupid fucking question.
See, you still have no evidence for aliens. DOTR and I are laughing are asses off at you. You had so many chances to provide it, but it's all sky fairy tale of atheists and evolution.
It's not polite to point and laugh..... but you bring it upon yourself.
I have. It's just your religion of atheism won't allow you to accept it. It's Satan's Antibible at work as you are tricked and deceived. Otherwise, you'd have the explanations, links, youtubes, books, and more.
It's not clear what you're trying to say? It seems the Jews Jesus preached to were not convinced by his message and the ones in his family and home town were also not convinced by him.Maybe you're only looking as hard as you want to see? He certainly wasn't worshiped by everyone he met, otherwise it's curious that he would say: "Prophets are not without honour, except in their hometown, and among their own kin, and in their own house." (Mark 6:1-6)
You're acting just the Jews in Jesus' hometown. Are you a Jew without faith or one without faith?
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.
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smh. The unforgiven.
"So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” Mark 3:23-29
Why did you bring this up???!!!???!!! Is this you?
My only point was that many of those that knew Jesus best didn't follow him. Moving on...It's not clear what you're trying to say? It seems the Jews Jesus preached to were not convinced by his message and the ones in his family and home town were also not convinced by him.Maybe you're only looking as hard as you want to see? He certainly wasn't worshiped by everyone he met, otherwise it's curious that he would say: "Prophets are not without honour, except in their hometown, and among their own kin, and in their own house." (Mark 6:1-6)
You're acting just the Jews in Jesus' hometown. Are you a Jew without faith or one without faith?
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.
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smh. The unforgiven.
"So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” Mark 3:23-29
Why did you bring this up???!!!???!!! Is this you?
You didn't read the entire verse. Why did you happen to choose that one to make your stand? Those Jews who rejected Jesus as Messiah were doomed. Many still believe it to this day.
Anyway, I'm moving on.
That's called "Pascal's wager." The problem with it? What if you worship the wrong god?So what? So some guys wrote some stuff down. Is that supposed to impress us?
It's the Book of Daniel which describes the end of the world and what happens. It should make you take stock of your no Jesus position. TBH, it is allegory and metaphor. People in the past talked about it and discuss what was true and all that. It talks about the dead rising from the grave again and reuniting with the bodies. Today,we find zombie stories and movies are popular. My hero, Blaise Pascal might've just shrugged his shoulders and said...
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That's called "Pascal's wager." The problem with it? What if you worship the wrong god?So what? So some guys wrote some stuff down. Is that supposed to impress us?
It's the Book of Daniel which describes the end of the world and what happens. It should make you take stock of your no Jesus position. TBH, it is allegory and metaphor. People in the past talked about it and discuss what was true and all that. It talks about the dead rising from the grave again and reuniting with the bodies. Today,we find zombie stories and movies are popular. My hero, Blaise Pascal might've just shrugged his shoulders and said...
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Genesis describes the Earth 3.2 billion years ago?
Our time is not God's time...
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4 For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night.
Science often backs up the Bible but what happens when it does not? Geologists consider it a settled matter that the Earth is billions of years old because that is what the evidence points to. Do you believe them or do you believe the Bible?Can I help it if science backs up the Bible once again?
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Genesis describes the Earth 3.2 billion years ago?
Our time is not God's time...
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4 For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night.
That is true - we actually do not know exactly how long each creative day was or even if they are all the same length of time. In the second equation in Psalms 90:4 if the watch during the night was 3 hours, this would then equate to 1 day = 8,000 years. We used to believe they were 7,000 years long - but actually the Bible does not say.
But the question is moot as to primordial earth being covered with water (and in darkness) since Genesis 1:2 is BEFORE the first creative day.
? Thus, Peter says it to the believers the way he does. Remember prophecy is allegorical and metaphor. The rest of the Bible should be read literally. The atheists mix things up and are wrong as they usually are. Atheists are usually wrong.I don't know if he'll come back but he certainly was wrong about when. He told people of his own time that many would not taste death before the end times. Not surprising since he was an apocalyptic Jew who believed he was living in the end of this time. A belief he shared with Paul.Peter tells the persecuted believers, i.e. Christians, that the scoffers will come and mock the idea that the Lord will return.
Genesis describes the Earth 3.2 billion years ago?
Our time is not God's time...
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4 For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night.
That is true - we actually do not know exactly how long each creative day was or even if they are all the same length of time. In the second equation in Psalms 90:4 if the watch during the night was 3 hours, this would then equate to 1 day = 8,000 years. We used to believe they were 7,000 years long - but actually the Bible does not say.
But the question is moot as to primordial earth being covered with water (and in darkness) since Genesis 1:2 is BEFORE the first creative day.
No, it isn't true as described in Genesis. In Genesis, one day = 24 hours. Peter is discussing the prophecy of the return of Jesus the Lord. Remember, I said that prophecies are described as allegory and metaphor such as the narrow gate and door referring to Jesus. It means the time described is allegorical. During Jesus' second coming, the believers know it is to deliver His people. Thus, Peter tells the persecuted believers, i.e. Christians, that the scoffers will come and mock the idea that the Lord will return.
The atheists and scoffers will say Jesus has been gone a long time; Is he ever coming back
You are both misquoting and ignoring the context wherein they saw Jesus in the kingdom in the transfiguration vision.I don't know if he'll come back but he certainly was wrong about when. He told people of his own time that many would not taste death before the end times. Not surprising since he was an apocalyptic Jew who believed he was living in the end of this time. A belief he shared with Paul.Peter tells the persecuted believers, i.e. Christians, that the scoffers will come and mock the idea that the Lord will return.
I think it is you who are taking Jesus out of his 1st century context. Apocalypticism was a popular belief back then and Jesus was almost certainly a believer, as was John the Baptist and Paul. As for misquoting Jesus, just about everyone does it since he wrote nothing and his teaching were not written down until well after his death, almost certainly by people who never met or heard him speak.You are both misquoting and ignoring the context wherein they saw Jesus in the kingdom in the transfiguration vision.I don't know if he'll come back but he certainly was wrong about when. He told people of his own time that many would not taste death before the end times. Not surprising since he was an apocalyptic Jew who believed he was living in the end of this time. A belief he shared with Paul.Peter tells the persecuted believers, i.e. Christians, that the scoffers will come and mock the idea that the Lord will return.
Matthew 16:28-17:9
Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”+
17 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves.+ 2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant* as the light.+ 3 And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for E·liʹjah.” 5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud+ said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.+ Listen to him.”+ 6 At hearing this, the disciples fell facedown and became very much afraid. 7 Then Jesus came near, and touching them, he said: “Get up. Have no fear.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one but Jesus himself. 9 As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.”+
I think it is you who are taking Jesus out of his 1st century context. Apocalypticism was a popular belief back then and Jesus was almost certainly a believer, as was John the Baptist and Paul. As for misquoting Jesus, just about everyone does it since he wrote nothing and his teaching were not written down until well after his death, almost certainly by people who never met or heard him speak.
I think it is you who are taking Jesus out of his 1st century context. Apocalypticism was a popular belief back then and Jesus was almost certainly a believer, as was John the Baptist and Paul. As for misquoting Jesus, just about everyone does it since he wrote nothing and his teaching were not written down until well after his death, almost certainly by people who never met or heard him speak.You are both misquoting and ignoring the context wherein they saw Jesus in the kingdom in the transfiguration vision.I don't know if he'll come back but he certainly was wrong about when. He told people of his own time that many would not taste death before the end times. Not surprising since he was an apocalyptic Jew who believed he was living in the end of this time. A belief he shared with Paul.Peter tells the persecuted believers, i.e. Christians, that the scoffers will come and mock the idea that the Lord will return.
Matthew 16:28-17:9
Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”+
17 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves.+ 2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant* as the light.+ 3 And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for E·liʹjah.” 5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud+ said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.+ Listen to him.”+ 6 At hearing this, the disciples fell facedown and became very much afraid. 7 Then Jesus came near, and touching them, he said: “Get up. Have no fear.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one but Jesus himself. 9 As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.”+
I gave references. Where are your references?
per your request:I gave references. Where are your references? I will be glad to constructively critique them if you post them.
There is no gap in the history. The apostle John was taught by Jesus, and Polycarp was a student of the apostle John and a Quartodeciman. The oldest papyrus manuscript fragment for the Christian Greek Scriptures (aka NT) is dated to early in the second century - the copy was made about 50 years after the book of John was written.
You would be wrong then:I suspect alang1216 's references are Ouchy I got a huge California redwood in my eye.I gave references. Where are your references?
