Breaking: Obama Tells Companies They Can't Fire Anyone Unless IRS Gives Them Approval

[Bfgrn]

For this and for businesses with 50-100 employees, the answer is yes. Buried deep within the IRS regulations pertaining to Obamacare, section 4980H of the IRS Code seemingly tells business to affirm the reasons why they are reducing their workforces to qualify for transitive relief from Obamacare. Many businesses are cutting jobs to avoid having to comply with the employer mandate, here though, these business are being told they cannot reduce the sizes of their staff without having a "bona-fide business reason" for doing so. If they somehow fail to meet this requirement or provide a sufficient reason to the IRS, they could be seemingly slapped with perjury charges.

This law is an overreach, simply telling employers they cannot drop below the 50 employer threshold to avoid the law and qualify for an exemption is the creation of a crime, something a neither a sitting President nor any other branch of government (except for the legislative) may do.

(1) Limited Workforce Size. The employer must employ on average at least 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) but fewer than 100 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during 2014. (Employers with fewer than 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during the previous year are not subject to the Employer Shared Responsibility provisions.) The number of full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) is determined in accordance with the otherwise applicable rules in the final regulations for determining status as an applicable large employer.

(2) Maintenance of Workforce and Aggregate Hours of Service. During the period beginning on Febr. 9, 2014 and ending on Dec. 31, 2014, the employer may not reduce the size of its workforce or the overall hours of service of its employees in order to qualify for the transition relief. However, an employer that reduces workforce size or overall hours of service for bona fide business reasons is still eligible for the relief.

Questions and Answers on Employer Shared Responsibility Provisions Under the Affordable Care Act

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2014-03082.pdf pp. 123-25

I tell you now: this is a pure act of desperation on the Obama Administration's part. Government has no right micromanaging the affairs of private businesses. So, is the Government telling you how to run your business?

Are you right wing pea brains really THAT fucking stupid, or just scum sucking lying sacks of dogshit??

 

[william the wie]

The purpose in continuing delays is for one purpose only. Elections. If it all went into effect now the Democrats would lose big.

Except Obama and the Ds forgot that insurance companies have to file audited quarterly reports.

 

[Antares]

The Democratic war on capitalism. Obama hates it and has the DOJ in his pocket to keep things corrupt.

Weird, Obama hates Capitalism but the DOW has reached all time highs in the past year and corporate profits are reaching all time highs. Those companies must really be hurting with all that money they have since Obama hates capitalism.

It's almost as if you people don't actually look at reality before making your asinine statements.

Weird, you as ill educated as they come.

What happens EVERY TIME the Fed HINTS at curbing QE210?

Amazing what happens when you pump 85 BIILION dollars a month into the economy....and interestingly enough the rich are getting richer because of the Bamster.

 

[BobPlumb]

Here is another link:

Thought Police: Firms must swear ObamaCare not a factor in firings | Fox News

the latest delay of ObamaCare regulations politically motivated? Consider what administration officials announcing the new exemption for medium-sized employers had to say about firms that might fire workers to get under the threshold and avoid hugely expensive new requirements of the law. Obama officials made clear in a press briefing that firms would not be allowed to lay off workers to get into the preferred class of those businesses with 50 to 99 employees. How will the feds know what employers were thinking when hiring and firing? Simple. Firms will be required to certify to the IRS – under penalty of perjury – that ObamaCare was not a motivating factor in their staffing decisions. To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs. You can duck the law, but only if you promise not to say so...

[“That's the good thing about being president. I can do whatever I want.” – President Obama joking about getting a restricted-access tour of Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello.]

So the Thread title is a lie. The only thing this does is prevent companies from firing someone who has suffered major medical issues, purely to avoid the insurance costs.

No! Someone suffering major medical issues have nothing to do with it. It has to do with a company trimming it's workforce from 100 or above down to 99 or less with the purpose of being exempt from the mandate. The employees that are layed off (fired) could be perfectly healthy.

 

[Mojo2]

Holy fuck.

Exactly!

That was my reaction when i first heard of this a couple of days ago.

And my impression since then, when considering the tepid and 'ho-hum' response by the American public has been that this event is kind of a gauge of our Sheepleness.

We are mindless and are able to be herded like sheep and all we care about is making sure that we are not violating Political Correctness and that we are comfortable and comfortably impaired by drugs, smoke, drink or the entertainment media.

THIS is exactly how the frog gets boiled.

Whether you readers know it or not, this shit is serious.

Get up off your ass and do something, serious.

Or at least register your outrage by flaming Obama on these pages. That's the level of seriousness this stuff warrants!

Instead, many people are just continuing to post as if nothing much is going on. They are focusing on the 'merits' of this bill or law.

WAKE THE FUCK UP, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

It is as clear and unmistakable an indication that a hostile government coup d'etat has taken place and the President is now lawless and is trying to grab OUR power.

And he has played his hand almost perfectly.

You all are still non-plussed by this act of tyranny.

You didn't recognize it when you found out about it.

You didn't become alarmed about it.

You still may not care about what Obama has done.

You don't seem interested in hearing anything about it or talking about it.

No wonder he has taken it upon himself to act like a Dictator.

We have let our knowledge of government become flaccid. Our defense from a usurping con man is as failed as the Trojans were negligent in protecting themselves from the Greeks of the Trojan Horse event.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RYGQQ_qybY]The Trojan Horse - YouTube[/ame]

He is inside our walls and we are being robbed of our freedoms.

Those of you who don't react to the alarm bells going off now don't deserve freedom.

What will you tell your grandkids as to why you let this happen without a fight???

And it's NOT just the Conservatives who should be up in arms and moved by a sense of urgency at this assault on our system of government.

EVERY American who loves this country, our Constitution and our way of life should be going crazy at this.

 

[Antares]

one question aren't there still like 40 million left uninsured?

the first round of sign ups is from january to the end of march... at the beginning of march starts the second sign up ....after that at the end of the year, in if you haven't sign up for health care you will be levied a fine ...how much you will be fine is based on your income ...

the prediction of the first sign up was calculated by the CBO ...that was supposed to be around 5 to 10 million people ... do to the screw up with the website the ACA got off on slow start in January ... right now they are on target for 5 million ...by the end of march they are hoping for ten million ... the 40 million will be reduced to 30 million as time goes on through out the year we expect that number to fall greatly... after this mid term election where the republicans are in a disarray right now, we dems expect to take over the house or close to it and retain the senate and maybe add 5 more ... making it next to impossible for the republicans to filibuster ... we expect all the states who refuse to take the federal health care money for medicaid, we expect to add on law to the ACA forcing( I like that word) Forcing these republican states to comply to the ACA new regulations ...in other words we will have every body sign up case closed ...end of discussion ...accept for these whining republicans here ....whining about being FORCED... TELLING US ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND SHIT ... did I tell you how much I like those two word ??? FORCED REPUBLICANS !!!!!

the first round of sign ups is from january to the end of march... at the beginning of march starts the second sign up ....after that at the end of the year, in if you haven't sign up for health care you will be levied a fine ...how much you will be fine is based on your income ...

Billy?

Show us where that "second" sign up is described in the ACA?

 

[HenryBHough]

.........if you haven't sign up for health care you will be levied a fine ...how much you will be fine is based on your income ...
Billy?

Show us where that "second" sign up is described in the ACA?

Income? Yeah, IF any.

Please call "ACA" the OBAMACARE that it is because failing so to do is to give the left the chance to convince the low-information voters that Obama had nothing to do with the Great American Travesty - and it's all Bush's fault.

 

[Antares]

.........if you haven't sign up for health care you will be levied a fine ...how much you will be fine is based on your income ...
Billy?

Show us where that "second" sign up is described in the ACA?

Income? Yeah, IF any.

Please call "ACA" the OBAMACARE that it is because failing so to do is to give the left the chance to convince the low-information voters that Obama had nothing to do with the Great American Travesty - and it's all Bush's fault.

I would have thought that since Billy has proclaimed that he has "researched" and "read" he entire ACA he would have known that there is no second sign up period.

 

[Spoonman]

For this and for businesses with 50-100 employees, the answer is yes. Buried deep within the IRS regulations pertaining to Obamacare, section 4980H of the IRS Code seemingly tells business to affirm the reasons why they are reducing their workforces to qualify for transitive relief from Obamacare. Many businesses are cutting jobs to avoid having to comply with the employer mandate, here though, these business are being told they cannot reduce the sizes of their staff without having a "bona-fide business reason" for doing so. If they somehow fail to meet this requirement or provide a sufficient reason to the IRS, they could be seemingly slapped with perjury charges.

?

Hows this for a reason. Obama and the democrats have failed to fix the economy so I have to cut my workforce

 

[Mojo2]

The exchanges by most of the posters in this thread remind me of the people seated at the table in this TV commercial.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvJJDjkVwhM]Royal Bank of Scotland "Heimlich" - YouTube[/ame]

OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER IN A BLOODLESS COUP D'ETAT WHICH THREATENS ALL OUR FREEDOMS FOREVER.

WAKE THE HELL UP AND DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE LAW BEING USED TO SUBJUGATE US!!!

 

[Iceweasel]

Hows this for a reason. Obama and the democrats have failed to fix the economy so I have to cut my workforce

They can't fix it because they're the problem.

 

[JimH52]

Hows this for a reason. Obama and the democrats have failed to fix the economy so I have to cut my workforce

They can't fix it because they're the problem.

I have the solution! Give the economy back to the GOP, who screwed it in the first place! Yeah, that will do it!

 

[BobPlumb]

For this and for businesses with 50-100 employees, the answer is yes. Buried deep within the IRS regulations pertaining to Obamacare, section 4980H of the IRS Code seemingly tells business to affirm the reasons why they are reducing their workforces to qualify for transitive relief from Obamacare. Many businesses are cutting jobs to avoid having to comply with the employer mandate, here though, these business are being told they cannot reduce the sizes of their staff without having a "bona-fide business reason" for doing so. If they somehow fail to meet this requirement or provide a sufficient reason to the IRS, they could be seemingly slapped with perjury charges.

?

Hows this for a reason. Obama and the democrats have failed to fix the economy so I have to cut my workforce

Avoiding the mandate is a valid business reason for reducing a business' workforce if it affects the bottom line.

 

[Iceweasel]

Hows this for a reason. Obama and the democrats have failed to fix the economy so I have to cut my workforce

They can't fix it because they're the problem.

I have the solution! Give the economy back to the GOP, who screwed it in the first place! Yeah, that will do it!

Your avatar is appropriate. Blame it on the GOP and ignore reality. The GOP didn't cause the housing crisis or Pelosi's out f control spending. Bush helped but he isn't the GOP and Obama made him look like a spendthrift.

 

[Bfgrn]

They can't fix it because they're the problem.

I have the solution! Give the economy back to the GOP, who screwed it in the first place! Yeah, that will do it!

Your avatar is appropriate. Blame it on the GOP and ignore reality. The GOP didn't cause the housing crisis or Pelosi's out f control spending. Bush helped but he isn't the GOP and Obama made him look like a spendthrift.

Your only problem is you are ignorant.

The housing crisis was caused by private lending institutions and Wall Street...ALL who were spit swapping with Republicans

 

[tennisbum]

I have the solution! Give the economy back to the GOP, who screwed it in the first place! Yeah, that will do it!

Your avatar is appropriate. Blame it on the GOP and ignore reality. The GOP didn't cause the housing crisis or Pelosi's out f control spending. Bush helped but he isn't the GOP and Obama made him look like a spendthrift.

Your only problem is you are ignorant.

The housing crisis was caused by private lending institutions and Wall Street...ALL who were spit swapping with Republicans

And encouraged by Bill Clintoon that everyone should own their own home with the sub prime loans

 

[Bfgrn]

Your avatar is appropriate. Blame it on the GOP and ignore reality. The GOP didn't cause the housing crisis or Pelosi's out f control spending. Bush helped but he isn't the GOP and Obama made him look like a spendthrift.

Your only problem is you are ignorant.

The housing crisis was caused by private lending institutions and Wall Street...ALL who were spit swapping with Republicans

And encouraged by Bill Clintoon that everyone should own their own home with the sub prime loans

Celebrate your ignorance. It is ALL you have.

The housing crisis was NOT caused by poor and middle class families buying a homestead. It was caused by wealthy speculators trying to make a quick buck. And when the values of the houses they bought as an investment went south, they DUMPED a bad investment.

Maybe you just FORGOT...

Bush's 'ownership society'

"America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," George W. Bush said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, they paled in comparison to the financial innovations that grew out of the mortgages—derivatives built on other derivatives, packaged and repackaged until no one could identify what they contained and how much they were, in fact, worth.

As we know by now, these instruments have brought the global financial system, improbably, to the brink of collapse.

End of the ‘Ownership Society’

 

[TemplarKormac]

For this and for businesses with 50-100 employees, the answer is yes. Buried deep within the IRS regulations pertaining to Obamacare, section 4980H of the IRS Code seemingly tells business to affirm the reasons why they are reducing their workforces to qualify for transitive relief from Obamacare. Many businesses are cutting jobs to avoid having to comply with the employer mandate, here though, these business are being told they cannot reduce the sizes of their staff without having a "bona-fide business reason" for doing so. If they somehow fail to meet this requirement or provide a sufficient reason to the IRS, they could be seemingly slapped with perjury charges.

This law is an overreach, simply telling employers they cannot drop below the 50 employer threshold to avoid the law and qualify for an exemption is the creation of a crime, something a neither a sitting President nor any other branch of government (except for the legislative) may do.

(1) Limited Workforce Size. The employer must employ on average at least 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) but fewer than 100 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during 2014. (Employers with fewer than 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during the previous year are not subject to the Employer Shared Responsibility provisions.) The number of full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) is determined in accordance with the otherwise applicable rules in the final regulations for determining status as an applicable large employer.

(2) Maintenance of Workforce and Aggregate Hours of Service. During the period beginning on Febr. 9, 2014 and ending on Dec. 31, 2014, the employer may not reduce the size of its workforce or the overall hours of service of its employees in order to qualify for the transition relief. However, an employer that reduces workforce size or overall hours of service for bona fide business reasons is still eligible for the relief.

Questions and Answers on Employer Shared Responsibility Provisions Under the Affordable Care Act

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2014-03082.pdf pp. 123-25

I tell you now: this is a pure act of desperation on the Obama Administration's part. Government has no right micromanaging the affairs of private businesses. So, is the Government telling you how to run your business?

Are you right wing pea brains really THAT fucking stupid, or just scum sucking lying sacks of dogshit??

Interesting. I suggest you deal with it.

 

[Bfgrn]

For this and for businesses with 50-100 employees, the answer is yes. Buried deep within the IRS regulations pertaining to Obamacare, section 4980H of the IRS Code seemingly tells business to affirm the reasons why they are reducing their workforces to qualify for transitive relief from Obamacare. Many businesses are cutting jobs to avoid having to comply with the employer mandate, here though, these business are being told they cannot reduce the sizes of their staff without having a "bona-fide business reason" for doing so. If they somehow fail to meet this requirement or provide a sufficient reason to the IRS, they could be seemingly slapped with perjury charges.

This law is an overreach, simply telling employers they cannot drop below the 50 employer threshold to avoid the law and qualify for an exemption is the creation of a crime, something a neither a sitting President nor any other branch of government (except for the legislative) may do.



Questions and Answers on Employer Shared Responsibility Provisions Under the Affordable Care Act

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2014-03082.pdf pp. 123-25

I tell you now: this is a pure act of desperation on the Obama Administration's part. Government has no right micromanaging the affairs of private businesses. So, is the Government telling you how to run your business?

Are you right wing pea brains really THAT fucking stupid, or just scum sucking lying sacks of dogshit??

Interesting. I suggest you deal with it.

You fucking idiot, you and your right wing propaganda sources TOTALLY fabricated something that doesn't exist. A simple READ of 'context' blows your absurd bullshit out of the water.

Heading: Transition Relief

34. Is additional transition relief available for employers with at least 50 but fewer than 100 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents)?

Yes. For employers with fewer than 100 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) in 2014, that meet the conditions described below, no Employer Shared Responsibility payment under section 4980H(a) or (b) will apply for any calendar month during 2015. For employers with non-calendar-year health plans, this applies to any calendar month during the 2015 plan year, including months during the 2015 plan year that fall in 2016.

In order to be eligible for the relief, an employer must certify that it meets the following conditions:

(1) Limited Workforce Size. The employer must employ on average at least 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) but fewer than 100 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during 2014. (Employers with fewer than 50 full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) on business days during the previous year are not subject to the Employer Shared Responsibility provisions.) The number of full-time employees (including full-time equivalents) is determined in accordance with the otherwise applicable rules in the final regulations for determining status as an applicable large employer.

(2) Maintenance of Workforce and Aggregate Hours of Service. During the period beginning on Febr. 9, 2014 and ending on Dec. 31, 2014, the employer may not reduce the size of its workforce or the overall hours of service of its employees in order to qualify for the transition relief. However, an employer that reduces workforce size or overall hours of service for bona fide business reasons is still eligible for the relief.

 

[HenryBHough]

There again in (2) above is that delicious little phrase:

"...is determined in accordance with the otherwise applicable rules in the final regulations...."

Which means that what low-information victim wannabes think of as "settled law" has not yet been written by any legislator. But will be created out of thin air by unelected bureaucrats.