BREAKING: One of the Witnesses at the Trump Bedminster meeting testified they had no memory of Trump displaying Classified Documents to interviewers

[postman]

"One of the witnesses at the Trump Bedminster meeting testified they had no memory of Trump displaying documents to interviewers."

Key word: One.

Notice it's "has no memory", not that he remembers it not happening.

I have no memory of my own birth, but that doesn't disprove my existence.

 

[postman]

The Presidential Records Act:

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

What you need to do, is find where the PRA talks about someone, other than the "president" or "incumbent president"

After January 20th, everything you posted pertains to Biden, not Trump.

 

[mudwhistle]

The raid wasn't illegal. The judge who signed the search warrant is in the southern district of Florida.

Bruce Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge Who Approved the Mar-a-Lago Search (Published 2022)

Judge Reinhart has faced a wave of criticism, disinformation and online threats over his involvement in the F.B.I.’s search.

www.nytimes.com

The search warrant was obviously justified, since they found the exact documents they suspected they were going to find.

They needed a federal judge to review the search warrant and sign it.
There was no federal judge that signed the search warrant. He was a magistrate (Bruce E Reinhart), and he had to recuse himself from one of Trump's other lawsuits because he felt he was biased.
Yet he turns around and grants the FBI an overly broad search warrant that didn't state what they were looking for.
It was in all practicallity a fishing expedition.

BTW, way, the same POS magestrate is the f**ker that issued the gag-order on Trump's defense team.

 

[g5000]

The Presidential Records Act:

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

Um...retard?

Read the PRA. It has sections which pertain directly to FORMER presidents and clearly states the presidential records of a former president are government property.

Goddam, you people are such cucks. You won't read the indictment, you won't read the PRA, but you are spending days and months wasting time listening to known liars who have hoaxed you HUNDREDS of times.

You BEG to be lied to!

 

[g5000]

The Presidential Records Act:

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

You copied and pasted a hoax. What a dumbass.

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...

www.archives.gov

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


You see that? The UNITED STATES owns presidential records. NOT the President.

Moving on:

From Section 2203:

(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.


You see that? When a President leaves office, his records are turned over to the custody of the Archivist. The President does NOT get to take our nation's defense secrets to his bathroom at Mar-A-Largo.

Nor does he get to show classified documents to visitors with no security clearance just to impress them.

Now stop making a goddam fool of yourself!

 

[Marener]

Trump had every right to those documents.

Not after he received a subpoena for them.

You can argue about whether he owns them till the cows come home. It’s irrelevant. When you receive a subpoena, there is a legal requirement to comply with it.

 

[Marener]

I accept your admission of defeat.

Are you not aware of the concept of presumption of innocence?

presumption of innocence

www.law.cornell.edu

Until you can prove that Biden took the documents knowingly and willingly, you don’t have a case against him.

Jack Smith has gone through great lengths to make a case that Trump knowingly and willingly took classified documents.

To charge Biden, you’d have to do the same thing.

 

[struth]

Only if you can prove that retention of those documents was willful.

If all you have is a folder marked personal, you don't have much.

well, the fact they were moved around to numerous locations, and hidden in a file he labeled "personal" - is evidence that supports the act was "willful" - pretty damning really...akin to a shoplifter getting caught with a item from the store in his pocket

 

[mudwhistle]

What you need to do, is find where the PRA talks about someone, other than the "president" or "incumbent president"

After January 20th, everything you posted pertains to Biden, not Trump.

When all of this happens Trump wasn't a former president, he is the incumbent.
This spells out what's supposed to happen while the president is still in office.
It also allows public access to records for 5 years after the end of the administration but allows the POTUS to restrict access for up to 12 years after leaving office.

Specifically, the Presidential Records Act:

• Defines and states public ownership of the records.
• Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent presidential records with the President.
• Allows the incumbent president to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he or she has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal in writing. [7]
• Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents.

Presidential Records Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[postman]

Trump had every right to those documents.
The PRA clearly states that the president owns those documents, but it's up to him to separate the public documents from the private documents so that the NARA can take possession of them before he leaves office.

There you go. So NARA can take possession of them before he leaves office.

Failure to separate presidential from private before leaving office makes everything comingled presidential records, subject to review by the archivist.

 

[Marener]

They needed a federal judge to review the search warrant and sign it.
There was no federal judge that signed the search warrant. He was a magistrate (Bruce E Reinhart), and he had to recuse himself from one of Trump's other lawsuits because he felt he was biased.
Yet he turns around and grants the FBI an overly broad search warrant that didn't state what they were looking for.
It was in all practicallity a fishing expedition.

BTW, way, the same POS magestrate is the f**ker that issued the gag-order on Trump's defense team.

Reinhardt is a magistrate judge and perfectly capable at reviewing and signing search warrants.

Bruce Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge Who Approved the Mar-a-Lago Search (Published 2022)

Judge Reinhart has faced a wave of criticism, disinformation and online threats over his involvement in the F.B.I.’s search.

www.nytimes.com

The search warrant was specific and said they were specifically looking for documents with classified markings.

Document Viewer : NPR

apps.npr.org

 

[Marener]

well, the fact they were moved around to numerous locations, and hidden in a file he labeled "personal" - is evidence that supports the act was "willful" - pretty damning really...akin to a shoplifter getting caught with a item from the store in his pocket

Not even close. There’s no evidence that Biden had gone through the file that contained the documents. Being labeled personal does not mean he was looking through them. Moving to a separate location does not mean he was looking through them.

Your shoplifting analogy is ridiculous. No one puts items in your pockets for you. Moving boxes is far different.

 

[postman]

When all of this happens Trump wasn't a former president, he is the incumbent.
This spells out what's supposed to happen while the president is still in office.
It allows public access to records for 5 years after the end of the administration

Your own citation, proves you dont' know how to read law.

Under the PRA, there is no public access to the records for 5 years.
And even longer if the ex-president makes a case for further exclusion from public access.

Your Citation of the PRA

[*]Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents.

 

[mudwhistle]

Um...retard?

Read the PRA. It has sections which pertain directly to FORMER presidents and clearly states the presidential records of a former president are government property.

Goddam, you people are such cucks. You won't read the indictment, you won't read the PRA, but you are spending days and months wasting time listening to known liars who have hoaxed you HUNDREDS of times.

You BEG to be lied to!

Yeah, fuck you too.

I already stated that.
But since the NARA refused to cooperate with Trump during the transition, (refusing to take possession of documents while he was at White House) he was forced to take everything with him to Mar-a-Lago.

 

[struth]

Not even close. There’s no evidence that Biden had gone through the file that contained the documents. Being labeled personal does not mean he was looking through them. Moving to a separate location does not mean he was looking through them.

Your shoplifting analogy is ridiculous. No one puts items in your pockets for you. Moving boxes is far different.

the documents didn't simply jump out of the Govt location, and out of the classified file, into a file in xiden's private office, in a file labeled personal by itself....the same way the grocery store's product didn't just magically jump into the shoplifter's pocket on it's own.

Any reasonable person can see that, dembot cultist aren't known to be reasonable though, so I see why you are having issues

 

[mudwhistle]

Your own citation, proves you dont' know how to read law.

Under the PRA, there is no public access to the records for 5 years.
And even longer if the ex-president makes a case for further exclusion from public access.

Your Citation of the PRA

[*]Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents.

You're just rephrasing what I already said, you fucking twat.

I said 5 years after the end of his administration, and up to 12 years on 6 specific restrictions.

But this is what you folks do.
You try to give anyone reading this thread a false impression.

So take your tricks with you and go fuck yourself.

 

[Marener]

the documents didn't simply jump out of the Govt location, and out of the classified file, into a file in xiden's private office, in a file labeled personal by itself....the same way the grocery store's product didn't just magically jump into the shoplifter's pocket on it's own.

Any reasonable person can see that, dembot cultist aren't known to be reasonable though, so I see why you are having issues

Papers get unintentionally intermingled from time to time.

Someone put them in that folder but no one knows who, when or where that happened. Until you figure that out, you don’t really have a case.

 

[Marener]

The Presidential Records Act:

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

What’s your point here? This is just outlining that the president can give records to the archivist during their administration for convenience but they are still legal custody of the president during their administration.

After the president leaves office, they do not have legal custody of their records.

 

[mudwhistle]

Reinhardt is a magistrate judge and perfectly capable at reviewing and signing search warrants.

Bruce Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge Who Approved the Mar-a-Lago Search (Published 2022)

Judge Reinhart has faced a wave of criticism, disinformation and online threats over his involvement in the F.B.I.’s search.

www.nytimes.com

The search warrant was specific and said they were specifically looking for documents with classified markings.

Document Viewer : NPR

apps.npr.org

Only in this case he signed a warrant that almost any judge would find overly broad and doesn't allow for 4th Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure.

They didn't show Trump the warrant and didn't allow his lawyers to see it before the search. They didn't provide a list of items seized after the search before leaving. And this list must be taken back to the magistrate who issued the warrant. Many of the items weren't listed. The FBI claims that those items were classified, so they couldn't be listed.

 

[mudwhistle]

What’s your point here? This is just outlining that the president can give records to the archivist during their administration for convenience but they are still legal custody of the president during their administration.

After the president leaves office, they do not have legal custody of their records.

Again......The NARA didn't take possession of whatever docs they wanted because the NARA was filled with Democrats.

I saw a story the other day that Trump is the first president that the NARA refused to cooperate with during the transition period since the PRA was passed and signed into law.

But it's no surprise here, because these are the same folks that let Biden, Pence, and others skate when they were caught with classified documents. This is also the same FBI that has been caught tipping of Hunter Biden about a coming search at his storage facility.