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Trump’s lawyer did indeed see the warrant and was given a copy of it as well as a list of things that were retrieved.Only in this case he signed a warrant that almost any judge would find overly broad and doesn't allow for 4th Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure.
They didn't show Trump the warrant and didn't allow his lawyers to see it before the search. They didn't provide a list of items seized after the search before leaving. And this list must be taken back to the magistrate who issued the warrant. Many of the items weren't listed. The FBI claims that those items were classified, so they couldn't be listed.
Sure, they do....but we aren't talking about a bunch of boxes moved from one residence to another...we are talking about specific documents in some cases, put in specific personal files....it's a little further, and more damning...much more akin to the items in the shoplifters pocket, and not just in the cartPapers get unintentionally intermingled from time to time.
Someone put them in that folder but no one knows who, when or where that happened. Until you figure that out, you don’t really have a case.
NARA is a small agency and doesn’t tell the president how to manage their records. They take receipt of records, process and store them.Again......The NARA didn't take possession of whatever docs they wanted because the NARA was filled with Democrats.
I saw a story the other day that Trump is the first president that the NARA refused to cooperate with during the transition period since the PRA was passed and signed into law.
We are talking about papers shoved in a folder shoved in a box shoved in a closet.Sure, they do....but we aren't talking about a bunch of boxes moved from one residence to another...we are talking about specific documents in some cases, put in specific personal files....it's a little further, and more damning...much more akin to the items in the shoplifters pocket, and not just in the cart
Again.....And I'm Repeating This....the NARA was supposed to give an exit brief to the Trump administration and refused.There you go. So NARA can take possession of them before he leaves office.
Failure to separate presidential from private before leaving office makes everything comingled presidential records, subject to review by the archivist.
No, we are talking about a file, labeled personal, on his private desk...there were more in his office's closet.....in that private office....and more in boxes in his garage, and more in his office in his house.We are talking about papers shoved in a folder shoved in a box shoved in a closet.
We have good evidence of Trump’s actions, going through his boxes and looking through the classified documents which demonstrates willfulness.
You have none of that with Biden.
What’s your source that Biden’s file was “on his private desk”?No, we are talking about a file, labeled personal, on his private desk...there were more in his office's closet.....in that private office....and more in boxes in his garage, and more in his office in his house.
Yes, the trump team went through boxes that were piled together after a move, at the request of the NARA. Very different cases, agreed. Trump's case more akin to unpaid groceries in the cart as they walk out the grocery store, xiden's more akin to items found in the shoplifter's pocket.
BULL SHIT!!!!!NARA is a small agency and doesn’t tell the president how to manage their records. They take receipt of records, process and store them.
The administration is responsible for complying with the law.
NARA didn’t refuse to cooperate with Trump. His administration just didn’t really give a shit about their requirements with the law and therefore the process for complying with the records act was a haphazard sloppy job.
Ok sport, let’s see if you have anything, ANYTHING to support you batshit crazy theory that all these classified documents accidentally ended up in multiple locations controlled by Biden.Are you not aware of the concept of presumption of innocence?
presumption of innocence
www.law.cornell.edu
Until you can prove that Biden took the documents knowingly and willingly, you don’t have a case against him.
Jack Smith has gone through great lengths to make a case that Trump knowingly and willingly took classified documents.
To charge Biden, you’d have to do the same thing.
Yes, Trump and his team went through the moving boxes at the request of the NARA, they were cooperating with the NARA....unlike Xiden who had documents dating back to his time as a US Senator hidden for years all over the East Coast, including hidden in files he labeled "personal" - which shows an attempt to convert the stolen property.What’s your source that Biden’s file was “on his private desk”?
Trump went through the boxes personally after he was formally instructed to turn over all his documents at the demand of a grand jury subpoena. It’s clear direct evidence he was hiding these documents from the DoJ.
well dembots seem to think guns can fire themselves, so of course they can believe that documents can magically pop up all over Xiden's personal property up and down the east coastOk sport, let’s see if you have anything, ANYTHING to support you batshit crazy theory that all these classified documents accidentally ended up in multiple locations controlled by Biden.
Let‘s look at the facts;
- Senators and VPs can only view classified documents in a SCIF, This is a fact and has been documented in this thread.
- The procedures of a SCIF makes it almost impossible to remove a classified document by accident, or otherwise. The odds of ONE document being accidentally removed is next to zero. The number of classified documents Biden ended up with as Senator and VP that was hidden in several locations being there by accident is impossible. No way. No how.
- As Senator and VP, Biden had no authority to have classified documents anywhere outside a SCIF, much less in boxes by his Corvette.
So, I’m not gonna ask you for evidence this wasn’t done willfully by Biden because you already admitted you have nothing. So, explain your theory. How do you THINK all these classified documents were removed from a SCIF and ended up in multiple locations owned by Biden “by accident”.
Put up, or STFU.
They weren't allowed to READ THE SEARCH WARRANT till after the search was completed. And the itemized list wasn't provided to them when they left the Mar-a-Lago compound.Trump’s lawyer did indeed see the warrant and was given a copy of it as well as a list of things that were retrieved.
What is overly broad about the warrant? Documents with classified markings is pretty specific.
Trump’s lawyer did indeed see the warrant and was given a copy of it as well as a list of things that were retrieved.
What is overly broad about the warrant? Documents with classified markings is pretty specific.
Can you prove this?What’s your source that Biden’s file was “on his private desk”?
Trump went through the boxes personally after he was formally instructed to turn over all his documents at the demand of a grand jury subpoena. It’s clear direct evidence he was hiding these documents from the DoJ.
Can you prove this?We are talking about papers shoved in a folder shoved in a box shoved in a closet.
We have good evidence of Trump’s actions, going through his boxes and looking through the classified documents which demonstrates willfulness.
You have none of that with Biden.
We're just repeating ourselves here.You copied and pasted a hoax. What a dumbass.
Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)
(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...www.archives.gov
§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records
The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
You see that? The UNITED STATES owns presidential records. NOT the President.
Moving on:
From Section 2203:
(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.
You see that? When a President leaves office, his records are turned over to the custody of the Archivist. The President does NOT get to take our nation's defense secrets to his bathroom at Mar-A-Largo.
Nor does he get to show classified documents to visitors with no security clearance just to impress them.
Now stop making a goddam fool of yourself!
This is a flat out lie.The archivist refused to take custody of Trump's presidential records.
No it isn't. Several articles I've read on this have surfaced stating as much.This is a flat out lie.
It has been well established your propagandists are profligate liars. And I would bet your "sources" are simply parroting Trump's false claims.No it isn't. Several articles I've read on this have surfaced stating as much.
