Breaking: Van mows down people walking on London Bridge.

[Dr Grump]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

 

[Tilly]

By some estimates there are 4 million Muslims in the Great Britain comprising about 5% of the population, of which about 23,000 of them are being watched as potential terrorists. Yup, the British are fucked.

I heard tonight on Sky news that the number of Muslims in the UK doubled in the last 10 yrs and is set to double again in the next 5.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

 

[Tilly]

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Again they seem to be random and not part of some central network. If they were part of some Hydra type network then you could establish who's running that network and go after them and shut the whole operation down.

But with these random small groupings there's no way of stopping them, they can get a vehicle at any time and just go and mow people down or at any given moment stab a group of people, not even a million police and soldiers on the streets can stop that.

The only way you could prevent it would be literally to round every Muslim up and take all of them off the streets, but of course Political Correctness won't allow that to happen and so unfortunately there will be more and more of these random attacks and more and more people slaughtered on the streets.

Exactly...but, it's not political correctness. Citizens have basic rights. If you round innocent people up solely on the basis of religion, then you have to decide what to do with them. And you have to decide what your country is then going to become as a result of those actions. You will also drive it underground because you likely can't round up every Muslim, people will hide their faith like other's have under religious persecution and you'll end up fueling the terrorism.

I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?

"I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?"

I think that when David Cameron was their Prime Minister during Austerity cuts they cut something like 10,000 police, I'm not sure what sort of police though I'll have to read up, if these were regular police or Counter Terrorism type of police, if the latter that would be incredibly reckless a policy.

I was listening to the BBC yesterday and they were interviewing a retired policeman who was in Counter Terrorism and he said that he and many of his colleagues who most are now in their 60s and early 70s (they must have worked when it was more threats from Irish Sectarians than Killer Kebabs) would be willing to come out of retirement and basically work unpaid to assist in helping in attempting to get a grip on this whole situation.

If they have made this offer then it would be sensible for the British Government and also Scotland Yard to take them up because they need the extra hands on the deck.

The most senior British police officer of Muslim origin has said they should start rounding thousands up now and putting them into internment camps, of course people like me agree with with him, we've said they all need rounding up and putting into Special Camps.

Note this is termed "controversial" um not it's not controversial it's logical and sensible, it's only "controversial" to Leftist Kumbaya types who don't seem to give a crap how many people are slaughtered on the streets.

This is the MI5 Watch List he refers to, they shouldn't be watching them anymore, it's impossible to watch and keep track of 24/7 at least 3,000 Terror Kebabs, they need to round them up and get them off the streets and put them in internment camps and if need be put them out to sea in Prison Ships.

Here he is Tarique Ghaffur, he's a Muslim, he cannot be labeled a racist bigot therefore like we all are always labeled for saying exactly what he's saying. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have thousands of Radical Muslim Extremists on the loose on the streets is simply an Islamic Terrorist Enabler who doesn't care how many people get slaughtered.

7/7 Met police chief calls for extremists to be locked up in INTERNMENT camps as he says MI5 and police cannot keep track of 3,000 terror suspects

• The controversial call came from Tarique Ghaffur, a Muslim former police chief
• He warns there are too many extremists in UK for police, MI5 officers to monitor
• Mr Ghaffur proposes special centres be set up to detain up to 3,000 extremists
• He was Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when 7/7 bombings took place

"Thousands of radical extremists must be locked up in new internment camps to protect Britain from the unprecedented terror threat it faces, a Muslim former police chief declares today.

Writing exclusively for The Mail on Sunday, Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."

Here's the rest of the article.

Chief wants extremists to be locked in INTERNMENT camps | Daily Mail Online

Apparently the 3000 figure is just the tip of the iceberg. Commissioner Cressida Dick said this morning on ? Sky News or BBC news that there are actually 'tens of thousands' of subjects of interest.
Given that it takes 30 to 40 MI5 officers to monitor just one of them, we can expect a LOT more Manchesters and Borough Markets etc :-(

 

[MaryL]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

 

[MaryL]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

 

[WEATHER53]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

30% of the Imams instruct terror acts to be taken

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

You are moving the goalposts now. You realise that these nutters kill more muslims than non muslims dont you ?

They report the nutters and nothing gets done. Then they get abused for not doing anything. We should embrace them not abuse them.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

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In the isolated British Muslim communities Immans attempt to "moderate" this as best they can. But still their advice is sometimes at odds to British law. First impulse is to EXPECT those options to be on the table. In fact -- that's WHY they run to the Imman and NOT help from local legal counsel, psychiatrists, and other "western inventions".

In fact they largely SHUN all that because it's totally alien to them and their parents and grandparents. It's a huge CULTURAL barrier that has little to do with the Religion they practice.

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

30% of the Imams instruct terror acts to be taken

Which ones dickhead ?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

1496683553065

Again they seem to be random and not part of some central network. If they were part of some Hydra type network then you could establish who's running that network and go after them and shut the whole operation down.

But with these random small groupings there's no way of stopping them, they can get a vehicle at any time and just go and mow people down or at any given moment stab a group of people, not even a million police and soldiers on the streets can stop that.

The only way you could prevent it would be literally to round every Muslim up and take all of them off the streets, but of course Political Correctness won't allow that to happen and so unfortunately there will be more and more of these random attacks and more and more people slaughtered on the streets.

Exactly...but, it's not political correctness. Citizens have basic rights. If you round innocent people up solely on the basis of religion, then you have to decide what to do with them. And you have to decide what your country is then going to become as a result of those actions. You will also drive it underground because you likely can't round up every Muslim, people will hide their faith like other's have under religious persecution and you'll end up fueling the terrorism.

I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?

"I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?"

I think that when David Cameron was their Prime Minister during Austerity cuts they cut something like 10,000 police, I'm not sure what sort of police though I'll have to read up, if these were regular police or Counter Terrorism type of police, if the latter that would be incredibly reckless a policy.

I was listening to the BBC yesterday and they were interviewing a retired policeman who was in Counter Terrorism and he said that he and many of his colleagues who most are now in their 60s and early 70s (they must have worked when it was more threats from Irish Sectarians than Killer Kebabs) would be willing to come out of retirement and basically work unpaid to assist in helping in attempting to get a grip on this whole situation.

If they have made this offer then it would be sensible for the British Government and also Scotland Yard to take them up because they need the extra hands on the deck.

The most senior British police officer of Muslim origin has said they should start rounding thousands up now and putting them into internment camps, of course people like me agree with with him, we've said they all need rounding up and putting into Special Camps.

Note this is termed "controversial" um not it's not controversial it's logical and sensible, it's only "controversial" to Leftist Kumbaya types who don't seem to give a crap how many people are slaughtered on the streets.

This is the MI5 Watch List he refers to, they shouldn't be watching them anymore, it's impossible to watch and keep track of 24/7 at least 3,000 Terror Kebabs, they need to round them up and get them off the streets and put them in internment camps and if need be put them out to sea in Prison Ships.

Here he is Tarique Ghaffur, he's a Muslim, he cannot be labeled a racist bigot therefore like we all are always labeled for saying exactly what he's saying. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have thousands of Radical Muslim Extremists on the loose on the streets is simply an Islamic Terrorist Enabler who doesn't care how many people get slaughtered.

7/7 Met police chief calls for extremists to be locked up in INTERNMENT camps as he says MI5 and police cannot keep track of 3,000 terror suspects

• The controversial call came from Tarique Ghaffur, a Muslim former police chief
• He warns there are too many extremists in UK for police, MI5 officers to monitor
• Mr Ghaffur proposes special centres be set up to detain up to 3,000 extremists
• He was Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when 7/7 bombings took place

"Thousands of radical extremists must be locked up in new internment camps to protect Britain from the unprecedented terror threat it faces, a Muslim former police chief declares today.

Writing exclusively for The Mail on Sunday, Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."

Here's the rest of the article.

Chief wants extremists to be locked in INTERNMENT camps | Daily Mail Online

Apparently the 3000 figure is just the tip of the iceberg. Commissioner Cressida Dick said this morning on ? Sky News or BBC news that there are actually 'tens of thousands' of subjects of interest.
Given that it takes 30 to 40 people to monitor just one of them, we can expect a LOT more Manchesters and Borough Markets etc :-(

There are also other things that are not explained why nothing isn't being done.

For instance why is ISIS still being allowed to have a Twitter account?

There have been people with Twitter accounts who have posted about how we need to have for want of a better term, a Counter-Jihad against the Islamists, these people have had their Twitter accounts taken down and have been outlawed from using Twitter.

Yet Twitter hasn't outlawed ISIS itself from using Twitter and they haven't outlawed the ISIS supporters from using Twitter to celebrate each terrorist attack.

ISIS has a wide presence on the Internet across multiple websites, to be on the Internet they have to have an ISP provider, so why haven't the ISP providers been contacted and forced to hand over information and also told to shut those websites down?

The question is are the authorities and the Governments wanting to stop all these terrorist attacks? They are leaving thousands of Radical Extremists on the streets, they are ignoring warnings from others such as the warning they got about an attack was going to happen in Manchester, they are letting ISIS continue to have a Twitter account and multiple websites.

Something is not right about this situation.

 

[depotoo]

1496683553065

Again they seem to be random and not part of some central network. If they were part of some Hydra type network then you could establish who's running that network and go after them and shut the whole operation down.

But with these random small groupings there's no way of stopping them, they can get a vehicle at any time and just go and mow people down or at any given moment stab a group of people, not even a million police and soldiers on the streets can stop that.

The only way you could prevent it would be literally to round every Muslim up and take all of them off the streets, but of course Political Correctness won't allow that to happen and so unfortunately there will be more and more of these random attacks and more and more people slaughtered on the streets.

Exactly...but, it's not political correctness. Citizens have basic rights. If you round innocent people up solely on the basis of religion, then you have to decide what to do with them. And you have to decide what your country is then going to become as a result of those actions. You will also drive it underground because you likely can't round up every Muslim, people will hide their faith like other's have under religious persecution and you'll end up fueling the terrorism.

I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?

"I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?"

I think that when David Cameron was their Prime Minister during Austerity cuts they cut something like 10,000 police, I'm not sure what sort of police though I'll have to read up, if these were regular police or Counter Terrorism type of police, if the latter that would be incredibly reckless a policy.

I was listening to the BBC yesterday and they were interviewing a retired policeman who was in Counter Terrorism and he said that he and many of his colleagues who most are now in their 60s and early 70s (they must have worked when it was more threats from Irish Sectarians than Killer Kebabs) would be willing to come out of retirement and basically work unpaid to assist in helping in attempting to get a grip on this whole situation.

If they have made this offer then it would be sensible for the British Government and also Scotland Yard to take them up because they need the extra hands on the deck.

The most senior British police officer of Muslim origin has said they should start rounding thousands up now and putting them into internment camps, of course people like me agree with with him, we've said they all need rounding up and putting into Special Camps.

Note this is termed "controversial" um not it's not controversial it's logical and sensible, it's only "controversial" to Leftist Kumbaya types who don't seem to give a crap how many people are slaughtered on the streets.

This is the MI5 Watch List he refers to, they shouldn't be watching them anymore, it's impossible to watch and keep track of 24/7 at least 3,000 Terror Kebabs, they need to round them up and get them off the streets and put them in internment camps and if need be put them out to sea in Prison Ships.

Here he is Tarique Ghaffur, he's a Muslim, he cannot be labeled a racist bigot therefore like we all are always labeled for saying exactly what he's saying. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have thousands of Radical Muslim Extremists on the loose on the streets is simply an Islamic Terrorist Enabler who doesn't care how many people get slaughtered.

7/7 Met police chief calls for extremists to be locked up in INTERNMENT camps as he says MI5 and police cannot keep track of 3,000 terror suspects

• The controversial call came from Tarique Ghaffur, a Muslim former police chief
• He warns there are too many extremists in UK for police, MI5 officers to monitor
• Mr Ghaffur proposes special centres be set up to detain up to 3,000 extremists
• He was Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when 7/7 bombings took place

"Thousands of radical extremists must be locked up in new internment camps to protect Britain from the unprecedented terror threat it faces, a Muslim former police chief declares today.

Writing exclusively for The Mail on Sunday, Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."

Here's the rest of the article.

Chief wants extremists to be locked in INTERNMENT camps | Daily Mail Online

Apparently the 3000 figure is just the tip of the iceberg. Commissioner Cressida Dick said this morning on ? Sky News or BBC news that there are actually 'tens of thousands' of subjects of interest.
Given that it takes 30 to 40 people to monitor just one of them, we can expect a LOT more Manchesters and Borough Markets etc :-(

There are also other things that are not explained why nothing isn't being done.

For instance why is ISIS still being allowed to have a Twitter account?

There have been people with Twitter accounts who have posted about how we need to have for want of a better term, a Counter-Jihad against the Islamists, these people have had their Twitter accounts taken down and have been outlawed from using Twitter.

Yet Twitter hasn't outlawed ISIS itself from using Twitter and they haven't outlawed the ISIS supporters from using Twitter to celebrate each terrorist attack.

ISIS has a wide presence on the Internet across multiple websites, to be on the Internet they have to have an ISP provider, so why haven't the ISP providers been contacted and forced to hand over information and also told to shut those websites down?

The question is are the authorities and the Governments wanting to stop all these terrorist attacks? They are leaving thousands of Radical Extremists on the streets, they are ignoring warnings from others such as the warning they got about an attack was going to happen in Manchester, they are letting ISIS continue to have a Twitter account and multiple websites.

Something is not right about this situation.

My guess? They go through proxie servers, masking their whereabouts. Use burn phones, then throw them out. And as fast as they have been taken down, they start afresh. They also operate on the dark web.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Again they seem to be random and not part of some central network. If they were part of some Hydra type network then you could establish who's running that network and go after them and shut the whole operation down.

But with these random small groupings there's no way of stopping them, they can get a vehicle at any time and just go and mow people down or at any given moment stab a group of people, not even a million police and soldiers on the streets can stop that.

The only way you could prevent it would be literally to round every Muslim up and take all of them off the streets, but of course Political Correctness won't allow that to happen and so unfortunately there will be more and more of these random attacks and more and more people slaughtered on the streets.

Exactly...but, it's not political correctness. Citizens have basic rights. If you round innocent people up solely on the basis of religion, then you have to decide what to do with them. And you have to decide what your country is then going to become as a result of those actions. You will also drive it underground because you likely can't round up every Muslim, people will hide their faith like other's have under religious persecution and you'll end up fueling the terrorism.

I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?

"I'm not sure what the "solution" is but it seems that there tips were given to police, like with Manchester - but not followed up (?) or taken seriously enough (?) - are there enough police? Are they funded enough?"

I think that when David Cameron was their Prime Minister during Austerity cuts they cut something like 10,000 police, I'm not sure what sort of police though I'll have to read up, if these were regular police or Counter Terrorism type of police, if the latter that would be incredibly reckless a policy.

I was listening to the BBC yesterday and they were interviewing a retired policeman who was in Counter Terrorism and he said that he and many of his colleagues who most are now in their 60s and early 70s (they must have worked when it was more threats from Irish Sectarians than Killer Kebabs) would be willing to come out of retirement and basically work unpaid to assist in helping in attempting to get a grip on this whole situation.

If they have made this offer then it would be sensible for the British Government and also Scotland Yard to take them up because they need the extra hands on the deck.

The most senior British police officer of Muslim origin has said they should start rounding thousands up now and putting them into internment camps, of course people like me agree with with him, we've said they all need rounding up and putting into Special Camps.

Note this is termed "controversial" um not it's not controversial it's logical and sensible, it's only "controversial" to Leftist Kumbaya types who don't seem to give a crap how many people are slaughtered on the streets.

This is the MI5 Watch List he refers to, they shouldn't be watching them anymore, it's impossible to watch and keep track of 24/7 at least 3,000 Terror Kebabs, they need to round them up and get them off the streets and put them in internment camps and if need be put them out to sea in Prison Ships.

Here he is Tarique Ghaffur, he's a Muslim, he cannot be labeled a racist bigot therefore like we all are always labeled for saying exactly what he's saying. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have thousands of Radical Muslim Extremists on the loose on the streets is simply an Islamic Terrorist Enabler who doesn't care how many people get slaughtered.

7/7 Met police chief calls for extremists to be locked up in INTERNMENT camps as he says MI5 and police cannot keep track of 3,000 terror suspects

• The controversial call came from Tarique Ghaffur, a Muslim former police chief
• He warns there are too many extremists in UK for police, MI5 officers to monitor
• Mr Ghaffur proposes special centres be set up to detain up to 3,000 extremists
• He was Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when 7/7 bombings took place

"Thousands of radical extremists must be locked up in new internment camps to protect Britain from the unprecedented terror threat it faces, a Muslim former police chief declares today.

Writing exclusively for The Mail on Sunday, Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."

Here's the rest of the article.

Chief wants extremists to be locked in INTERNMENT camps | Daily Mail Online

Apparently the 3000 figure is just the tip of the iceberg. Commissioner Cressida Dick said this morning on ? Sky News or BBC news that there are actually 'tens of thousands' of subjects of interest.
Given that it takes 30 to 40 people to monitor just one of them, we can expect a LOT more Manchesters and Borough Markets etc :-(

There are also other things that are not explained why nothing isn't being done.

For instance why is ISIS still being allowed to have a Twitter account?

There have been people with Twitter accounts who have posted about how we need to have for want of a better term, a Counter-Jihad against the Islamists, these people have had their Twitter accounts taken down and have been outlawed from using Twitter.

Yet Twitter hasn't outlawed ISIS itself from using Twitter and they haven't outlawed the ISIS supporters from using Twitter to celebrate each terrorist attack.

ISIS has a wide presence on the Internet across multiple websites, to be on the Internet they have to have an ISP provider, so why haven't the ISP providers been contacted and forced to hand over information and also told to shut those websites down?

The question is are the authorities and the Governments wanting to stop all these terrorist attacks? They are leaving thousands of Radical Extremists on the streets, they are ignoring warnings from others such as the warning they got about an attack was going to happen in Manchester, they are letting ISIS continue to have a Twitter account and multiple websites.

Something is not right about this situation.

My guess? They go through proxie servers, masking their whereabouts. Use burn phones, then throw them out. And as fast as they have been taken down, they start afresh. They also operate on the dark web.

Well they're not on the dark web when they're using Twitter.

Also if Interpol and the FBI etc can take down worldwide paedophile rings who are operating on the dark web, then they should be able to do the same thing with the Radical Islamic Extremists.

 

[MaryL]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

You are moving the goalposts now. You realise that these nutters kill more muslims than non muslims dont you ?

They report the nutters and nothing gets done. Then they get abused for not doing anything. We should embrace them not abuse them.

Yeah, um well, how about they come to the realization that beautiful theology of theirs is just another delusion? They make the Reverend Jim Jones look like pikers. You are gay, do YOU want to live in such a world of restrictive theocracy Islam wants to impose? Why defend them?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

You are moving the goalposts now. You realise that these nutters kill more muslims than non muslims dont you ?

They report the nutters and nothing gets done. Then they get abused for not doing anything. We should embrace them not abuse them.

Yeah, um well, how about they come to the realization that beautiful theology of theirs is just another delusion? They make the Reverend Jim Jones look like pikers. You are gay, do YOU want to live in such a world of restrictive theocracy Islam wants to impose? Why defend them?

Why do you think I am Gay ?

 

[Roudy]

Again, who and what we stand for is irrelvant, things will happen on their own, like dominos collapsing on one another. By that I mean as the frequency, cruelty and lethality of these Islamic terror attacks in the West increase, so will the responses by the countries.

The question is how many of our children will have to die until we get to that point. In my opinion even one more is too much. Concrete steps, not lip service mixed with politically correct speech, need to be taken immediately. One of those steps could be to take Islam off the list of official religions. It might sound harsh, but remember we are dealing with an ideology that kills little girls that are going to a concert. Drastic circumstances require drastic responses. We are talking about preserving our freedoms and way of life.

Here's the deal. War has literally been declared on Western countries by about 6 or 8 Jihadi groups. They are PERFECTLY CLEAR about who they are. They are stateless ideologues who want a Caliphate or an Islamic State. The current dictatorial theocracies that dominate in that region are not "Muslim Enough" for them.

It's not a criminal act. It's not an attack BY a religion.. It's various groups of stateless RADICALIZED pirates.
There's no mystery to this. No reason in Heaven or Hell why Islam can't be practiced peacefully in Western cultures with the right attention to immigration and assimilation. We (you and me and the Western countries) have ALREADY created a massive breeding habitat for these pirates out of formerly "stable" states. That damage HAS to be mitigated somehow to reduce the threat at it's roots.

OBVIOUSLY -- border control in this type of War (and it's a war) is important. The focus should be on that. Because the potential for ISIS/AlQueda/Hamas obtaining WMDs or weapons more dangerous and effective than vans and knives, is almost CERTAINTY at this point.

We need to remain smart and calm.. And not BROADEN the war. As much as I KNOW -- you'd love to do that.

You are correct. However, they aren't as stateless as we think. Many of these Muslim countries like Iran and Pakistan are actually financing these terrorist groups, and they have their proxy armies doing their bidding, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and Taliban in Afghanistan.

Another factor is Western nations naively allowing mass migration from Muslim countries, without realizing these people are still living in a medeival mindset, and are creating a similar environment both religiously and culturally to where they came from. In other words it doesn't switch off once they enter the US. And once the number reaches a certain percentage of the population, then they try to impose their way of life on the host nation, by any means necessary.

The main culprit here is the Obama presidency, remember how we were told that Al Queda is on the run? Instead he ushered in the so called Arab Spring which turned stable countries into Islamic terrorist breeding grounds, created a vacuum which ISIS stepped in when he prematurely left Iraq, and of course Syria which brought about a genocide of so far 400,000 at the hands of a madman exporting millions of refugees into Europe and an opportunity for ISIS to penetrate the refugee population.

Any parent or citizen of the West should be concerned that we have come to a day and age where where little girls and waiting parents are getting slaughtered at pop concerts because they are "infidel sinners". If we think what happened in Manchester won't happen in the US, think again, it will, it's only a matter of time. We are like sitting ducks now. I'm telling all my friends and relatives to stay away from crowds and open promenade type shopping / entertainment areas. In other words with every terrorist event, our freedoms and rights are going to be chipped away slowly but surely.

 

[leftwinger]

USA was forced to put Japanese into internment camps because 500 or so were leaking information about Troop movements etc. They put all of them?

The only new answer I see in this thread is to round up 3000 bad English muslims. Good start.

I don't see them stopping the murderous un-provked attacks. Too many want to do nothing at all? That won't work.

 

[Tilly]

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

You are moving the goalposts now. You realise that these nutters kill more muslims than non muslims dont you ?

They report the nutters and nothing gets done. Then they get abused for not doing anything. We should embrace them not abuse them.

Yeah, um well, how about they come to the realization that beautiful theology of theirs is just another delusion? They make the Reverend Jim Jones look like pikers. You are gay, do YOU want to live in such a world of restrictive theocracy Islam wants to impose? Why defend them?

Why do you think I am Gay ?

All those gay penguin threads

 

[depotoo]

Another one?
ISIS claims responsibility for Melbourne hostage situation
Isis claims responsibility for Melbourne siege that left two people dead

 

[MaryL]

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

I expected this response, I even asked myself that. My answer? I don't know, but I have little respect for any religion but especially Islam, but this is more about how we non Muslims respond to their provocations to hate. Islam can go to hell.

You are moving the goalposts now. You realise that these nutters kill more muslims than non muslims dont you ?

They report the nutters and nothing gets done. Then they get abused for not doing anything. We should embrace them not abuse them.

Yeah, um well, how about they come to the realization that beautiful theology of theirs is just another delusion? They make the Reverend Jim Jones look like pikers. You are gay, do YOU want to live in such a world of restrictive theocracy Islam wants to impose? Why defend them?

Why do you think I am Gay ?

Well, previous post of yours, but no matter. No slight on you. None the less, why defend Islam? They are fools and becoming the crypto fascist without borders. And it's the good Nazi-bad Nazi thing all over again . Do you really care about what the GOOD Nazis did to offset the BAD ones? A little to little and a little to late.