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Proof?At least, the Brits sucked some more national competences out of the EU in case they stay.
Nope because before the ink was dry they were told the EU could renege on the deal at any time
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Proof?At least, the Brits sucked some more national competences out of the EU in case they stay.
Nope because before the ink was dry they were told the EU could renege on the deal at any time
All of those papers are owned by people who do not pay British taxes.![]()
There is an incredible theory that a Brexit won't actually happen even if the public votes for it
Media outlets in Britain clearly make up their minds:
![]()
Note that the outcome of the referendum is not binding for the parliament. But Cameron promised to adhere to the outcome.
Even for German conditions this "coverage" is ridiculous. But there is free press and they can express their opinions. However, bad decisions are not only made in Brussels but in national parliaments too.All of those papers are owned by people who do not pay British taxes.![]()
There is an incredible theory that a Brexit won't actually happen even if the public votes for it
Media outlets in Britain clearly make up their minds:
![]()
Note that the outcome of the referendum is not binding for the parliament. But Cameron promised to adhere to the outcome.
"Brexit"
This illustrates the fundamental failure that are democracies, and why the American Constitutional Republic is far superior and desirable, where such a significant issue wouldn’t be decided by referendum and simple ‘majority rule.’
In this case the UK might make the mistake of leaving the EU because ignorant bigots and racists want to keep the ‘dark people’ out.
... Ah. The same old Leftie argument, I see ... an interest in, and wish to, equate concerns about levels of immigration with racism and bigotry. [Gordon Brown tried that, in 2010, and where did it lead him ?]
I have three (.. rather tired, by now ? ..) points to make.
One - a country has a right to exercise controls over its own borders. Only a successful Brexit vote will achieve that for the UK.
Two - it's a matter of sheer practicality. The UK does not have either an infinitely-sized landmass capable of taking in everyone, neither does it have infinite resources to see to all their needs. Sooner or later (? sooner), the UK will find itself unable to cope with persistently large numbers of immigrants .. and certainly not with uncontrollable numbers coming in !
Three - Every country has a right to its own identity and its own path to take, to decide its own future. Again ... only a Brexit vote will serve to satisfy this, it seems to me.
One - why are so many non-EU citizens getting into the UK?
Two - Britain could have been dealing with all this immigration before, but didn't.
Three - Britain can still make its own identity being in the EU. Nothing will change in these respects being out of the EU.
One & two .. I agree with the points you make (or intended to infer).
On three ... nonsense. The EU is moving towards a Federalistic SuperState. One day, none of its members will retain their identities as countries .. neither will we, if we remain.
Today, we've a chance for freedom. We should take it.
Yes, the EU is making a move towards a federalist superstate. It will do so with or without the UK. It will still end up diluting the UK no matter what. Think Canada and the impact the US has on Canada.
Thank you for helping to confirm the correctness of a Brexit vote !!
So, we agree. The UK is faced with either keeping its national identity, or, having it swamped into non-existence by foreign powers.
Do we want our freedom ? Or, must we knuckle under to foreign power-mongers, who'll happily rob us of it ? It ultimately comes down to that.
What would British soldiers have said during WWII, to an argument that had us becoming subservient to a (- then -) European Reich, its leader, A Hitler ... ?? Would they have agreed with your sentiments today ?
They fought, and many died, for our freedom ! Would you like to tell us that their deaths were ultimately wasted, that we MUST bend to a European colossus, just because it IS one ?
If "Remain" wins it will be testament that a majority of Britons are sad Hitler didn't win because they'll have chosen to be ruled from Germany. Think of all the lives that could have been saved....well, white non-Jewish, non Romany lives. And all the mental defectives that would have been rooted out in infancy. But, wait, then how could a "Remain" vote have...............
Proof?At least, the Brits sucked some more national competences out of the EU in case they stay.
Nope because before the ink was dry they were told the EU could renege on the deal at any time
All of those papers are owned by people who do not pay British taxes.![]()
There is an incredible theory that a Brexit won't actually happen even if the public votes for it
Media outlets in Britain clearly make up their minds:
![]()
Note that the outcome of the referendum is not binding for the parliament. But Cameron promised to adhere to the outcome.
... Ah. The same old Leftie argument, I see ... an interest in, and wish to, equate concerns about levels of immigration with racism and bigotry. [Gordon Brown tried that, in 2010, and where did it lead him ?]
I have three (.. rather tired, by now ? ..) points to make.
One - a country has a right to exercise controls over its own borders. Only a successful Brexit vote will achieve that for the UK.
Two - it's a matter of sheer practicality. The UK does not have either an infinitely-sized landmass capable of taking in everyone, neither does it have infinite resources to see to all their needs. Sooner or later (? sooner), the UK will find itself unable to cope with persistently large numbers of immigrants .. and certainly not with uncontrollable numbers coming in !
Three - Every country has a right to its own identity and its own path to take, to decide its own future. Again ... only a Brexit vote will serve to satisfy this, it seems to me.
One - why are so many non-EU citizens getting into the UK?
Two - Britain could have been dealing with all this immigration before, but didn't.
Three - Britain can still make its own identity being in the EU. Nothing will change in these respects being out of the EU.
One & two .. I agree with the points you make (or intended to infer).
On three ... nonsense. The EU is moving towards a Federalistic SuperState. One day, none of its members will retain their identities as countries .. neither will we, if we remain.
Today, we've a chance for freedom. We should take it.
Yes, the EU is making a move towards a federalist superstate. It will do so with or without the UK. It will still end up diluting the UK no matter what. Think Canada and the impact the US has on Canada.
Thank you for helping to confirm the correctness of a Brexit vote !!
So, we agree. The UK is faced with either keeping its national identity, or, having it swamped into non-existence by foreign powers.
Do we want our freedom ? Or, must we knuckle under to foreign power-mongers, who'll happily rob us of it ? It ultimately comes down to that.
What would British soldiers have said during WWII, to an argument that had us becoming subservient to a (- then -) European Reich, its leader, A Hitler ... ?? Would they have agreed with your sentiments today ?
They fought, and many died, for our freedom ! Would you like to tell us that their deaths were ultimately wasted, that we MUST bend to a European colossus, just because it IS one ?
If Britain can't keep its own identity within the EU, it's not going to keep it outside either. The number of immigrants in the UK is high, not because of the EU, but because of the British government. Many of whom are from outside of the EU in the first place.
You keep thinking leaving the EU suddenly makes the UK government turn into the fairy godmother.
Strange that between the two critical positions, staying or leaving, the difference is so small.
Too bad for England, Europe and unity.