Brown's stepfather....did he instigate the burning in Ferguson?

[Asclepias]

We werent dicussing the law dumbear. We were discussing the stages of grief. Keep up.

The OP is about inciting to riot...how about you keep up, or get out, asshole?

We werent discussing the OP directly. Dumbbear starting talking about the reactions to grief. Keep up you dumb monkey.

no stupid, I was talking about the OP, grief doesn't excuse illegal behavior.

No monkey. You went slightly off topic by saying it was not a normal reaction to grief. Should I quote you?

Fuck you retard. Normal people don't react to grief that way.

 

[Derideo_Te]

calling for criminal actions or destruction of property

Moving the goalposts now?

This was my original statement;

We have masses of video of TP'ers saying stupid stuff in anger over the ACA.

The onus is on you to prove that I allegedly said what you are egregiously and falsely alleging now.

Come on now try to keep up. Here I will lead you down the trail

The title of the thread is

Brown's stepfather....did he instigate the burning in Ferguson?

The discussion here centers around the question of did he instigate or have any thing to do with the criminal behavior of the rioters due to his call for violence/destruction.

Your statement above is an attempt to deflect the thread by bringing the TP into the discussion and claiming they said stupid stuff. I decided to play along with you and agreed that folks do say stupid stuff out of anger

My exact statement

While I agree that people say stupid things in anger that does not dismiss the fact that you are accountable for your own actions.

I then in an attempt to bring your example of the TP back on track asked the following

As far as the Teaparty reference do you have recording of any of the principals or leaders of the events calling for destruction of property. I will wait on your examples but I bet I need to get ready for a long wait

So as you see I did not falsely accuse you of saying anything. I simply played off your statement and asked for proof as it related to this topic


Now that I have lead you back to the topic, can you prove what I asked? Or was your statement not relevant to this conversation?

I made the comparison to the TP because they also said stupid stuff in the heat of the moment. That you cannot make that connection is not my problem.

You subsequently alleged that I couldn't provide you with proof that the TP'ers had said stupid stuff and I provided you plenty of examples.

You then moved the goalposts by trying to claim that I had stated specific conditions when I had done nothing of the sort and you have failed to prove that I did.

So you are striking out here and you want me give you yet another swing? You made false allegations as to what I actually posted and now you are playing silly games trying to cover your error.

I stand by my position and my links. The onus remains on you to prove that what I posted was untrue. You can't and that it where it stands.

Have a nice day.

I see that I owe you a heartfelt apology. I by my own admission just assumed you were capable of staying on topic and carrying on an honest debate without the need for using logically fallacy. I see that was not the case and should have realized that some when faced with loosing an argument must resort to deflection instead of owning up to the fact that they are loosing. It was my fault for assuming you were capable of honest debate and for that Apologize. You may now carry on with the spin and false equivalencies

Your inability to even attempt to prove your false allegations about what I actually posted is duly noted.

Have a nice day!

 

[Blackrook]

Search 18 U.S.C. § 2101 : US Code - Section 2101: Riots

(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent - (1) to incite a riot; or (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or (3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or (4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph - (!1) Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (b) In any prosecution under this section, proof that a defendant engaged or attempted to engage in one or more of the overt acts described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) (!2) and (1) has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce, or (2) has use of or used any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including but not limited to, mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, to communicate with or broadcast to any person or group of persons prior to such overt acts, such travel or use shall be admissible proof to establish that such defendant traveled in or used such facility of interstate or foreign commerce. (c) A judgment of conviction or acquittal on the merits under the laws of any State shall be a bar to any prosecution hereunder for the same act or acts. (d) Whenever, in the opinion of the Attorney General or of the appropriate officer of the Department of Justice charged by law or under the instructions of the Attorney General with authority to act, any person shall have violated this chapter, the Department shall proceed as speedily as possible with a prosecution of such person hereunder and with any appeal which may lie from any decision adverse to the Government resulting from such prosecution. (e) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to make it unlawful for any person to travel in, or use any facility of, interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of pursuing the legitimate objectives of organized labor, through orderly and lawful means. (f) Nothing in this section shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of Congress to prevent any State, any possession or Commonwealth of the United States, or the District of Columbia, from exercising jurisdiction over any offense over which it would have jurisdiction in the absence of this section; nor shall anything in this section be construed as depriving State and local law enforcement authorities of responsibility for prosecuting acts that may be violations of this section and that are violations of State and local law.

- See more at: 18 U.S.C. 2101 US Code - Section 2101 Riots

 

[Pop23]

Fuck you retard. Normal people don't react to grief that way.

Seriously, you are a waste of oxygen.

You arent normal if you dont progress through the stages of grief idiot.

Sure, most peoples grief process is calling to "burn the bitch down"

So your a grief councilor now?

Anger is the second stage of grieving. You could threaten to kill your mother during that time. You dont have to be a grief counselor to know that.

Been there as a step parent and as a facilitator in a support group. Never seen such a reaction (not being argumentative, just relating my experience).

Doesnt really matter what you have seen. The point is that you are liable to say pretty much anything when consumed with anger and rage.

And you remain liable for those words and actions.

We made it clear that that was the case in out group sessions.

 

[Asclepias]

You'd be kind and forgiving to the person who killed your kid? Whether it was justified, or an accident, or whatever? You'd just not get angry?

The step father called for destruction of property non of which pertained to the death of Brown

Right. It couldn't possibly have been anger directed toward a system that he feels killed his stepson.

A car lot, pizza joint, wig store etc... many of which were owned by minority owners were all part of a system that he felt killed his son? Hell if that is true he should be institutionalized for being damn crazy

Oh, I'm sorry.....I must have missed where the man said, "Burn down a car lot, a pizza joint, and a wig store."

I guess you just disproved that the mob was taking orders from Brown's stepdad.

By his words of "Burn this bitch down" one would take that to mean he meant the town. Seeing as such business were part of the town I believe we can say your point failed

He could have also been talking about cooking female dog meat. Can you prove which one he was talking about?

 

[ricechickie]

Two points...you're a moron. Don't know who I'm referring to? How about not continuing to add on to a thread that makes it incomprehensible to read? Further, you can not scream on the roof of a car to BURN THIS BITCH down without facing charges of inciting to riot...the BITCH in this case is clearly the entire city of Ferguson....

Wow. I've been pretty respectful. You can't seem to reciprocate. I guess you're one of those uncivilized types that I've heard about.

He has clearly been caught saying "Burn this bitch down" and not so far, faced charges of inciting a riot. Go take it up with the Ferguson police.

 

[Asclepias]

You arent normal if you dont progress through the stages of grief idiot.

Sure, most peoples grief process is calling to "burn the bitch down"

So your a grief councilor now?

Anger is the second stage of grieving. You could threaten to kill your mother during that time. You dont have to be a grief counselor to know that.

Been there as a step parent and as a facilitator in a support group. Never seen such a reaction (not being argumentative, just relating my experience).

Doesnt really matter what you have seen. The point is that you are liable to say pretty much anything when consumed with anger and rage.

And you remain liable for those words and actions.

We made it clear that that was the case in out group sessions.

There are consequences to all actions.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

There are people on here who say worse in a premeditated way.

Do they say it to people already in the streets that are waiting with pitchforks already in their hands ?

 

[Asclepias]

There are people on here who say worse in a premeditated way.

Do they say it to people already in the streets that are waiting with pitchforks already in their hands ?

Only farmers use pitchforks nowadays.

 

[ricechickie]

There are people on here who say worse in a premeditated way.

Do they say it to people already in the streets that are waiting with pitchforks already in their hands ?

That's the problem with the internet, isn't it? You don't know what state of mind your audience is in.

Could be some are reading the anti-government rants and the second amendment solutions posts while caressing their guns.

 

[Ravi]

What about saying Fuck the police. Is that a shout out to actually rape cops?

 

[MXdad]

That footage of her falling apart, him holding her and then finally screaming out his rage and pain -

I'm sorry that RWs are so et up with their racist hate but no one can say they would not have lost control in that moment. Those people have been pushed to edge and more.

Try a little compassion.

Or, you could just keep on yammering your mindless hate while pretending to be good christians.

'tis the season, right?

Fuck you retard. Normal people don't react to grief that way.

Seriously, you are a waste of oxygen.

You'd be kind and forgiving to the person who killed your kid? Whether it was justified, or an accident, or whatever? You'd just not get angry?

Son, if someone intentionally and needelsy killed one of my children. I'd kill them, without question. If one of my children was killed while fighting a police officer, I'd be sad that they made the choice they made

In NEITHER case would I be out whooping it up ad telling others to burn businesses down.


Seriously? Who behaves like this and then has the gall to say" Why does every other race thing we're inferior?"

That footage of her falling apart, him holding her and then finally screaming out his rage and pain -

I'm sorry that RWs are so et up with their racist hate but no one can say they would not have lost control in that moment. Those people have been pushed to edge and more.

Try a little compassion.

Or, you could just keep on yammering your mindless hate while pretending to be good christians.

'tis the season, right?

Fuck you retard. Normal people don't react to grief that way.

Seriously, you are a waste of oxygen.

You'd be kind and forgiving to the person who killed your kid? Whether it was justified, or an accident, or whatever? You'd just not get angry?

Damned straight I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't shout "burn the bitch down". Nor would I expect my supporters to steal beer and candy from a convenience store or burn down a pizza shop.
You seem to think grief excuses abhorrent behavior. It doesn't.

So, now you guys are deciding that he told the mob what to burn and had "expectations" that they would steal beer.

He didn't say "burn businesses down."

For your sake try common sense. Now one claimed he instructed what to burn

By saying burn this bitch down do you suppose he meant a female dog, streets, trees. Or could he have meant burn the city, businesses as had been done in August

 

[MXdad]

calling for criminal actions or destruction of property

Moving the goalposts now?

This was my original statement;

We have masses of video of TP'ers saying stupid stuff in anger over the ACA.

The onus is on you to prove that I allegedly said what you are egregiously and falsely alleging now.

It seems like you were equating what tea party people have said to what the stepfather said..no? So now prove the tea party people said ahing remotely similar to what this punk said.

It seems the poster either has a difficult time staying on topic, wishes to derail subjects or prefers logical fallacy to honest debate

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own "factoids".

Except I am always prepared to prove my statements as you have proven your not

 

[DigitalDrifter]

That footage of her falling apart, him holding her and then finally screaming out his rage and pain -

I'm sorry that RWs are so et up with their racist hate but no one can say they would not have lost control in that moment. Those people have been pushed to edge and more.

Try a little compassion.

Or, you could just keep on yammering your mindless hate while pretending to be good christians.

'tis the season, right?

Thats a horseshit excuse. I can understand the pain and anger. However to encourage people to bun the down down shows the mindset of this individual. There is a big difference between having compassion for a family that has lost a loved one and excusing an idiot who encourages vandalism and property destruction

People say a lot of things in anger that they would never say if they weren't in that state of mind.

We have masses of video of TP'ers saying stupid stuff in anger over the ACA.

People say stupid things when they are in the grip of strong emotions.

If we charged everyone who did that then your taxes for the prison population would exceed that of the defense budget in all likelihood.

You have to weigh the words along with the time they were said.

Yelling "Burn this bitch down !" by one of the protest leaders, over and over to a crowd already on the edge of rioting, moments after hearing the news the officer was not to be charged, was the height of irresponsibility.
His words delivered in the fashion that they were, likely led or added to the nights mass destruction.

He should be held responsible.

 

[ricechickie]

For your sake try common sense. Now one claimed he instructed what to burn

By saying burn this bitch down do you suppose he meant a female dog, streets, trees. Or could he have meant burn the city, businesses as had been done in August

Actually, a couple of posters did say that he instructed the mob to burn certain things. And that he had actual expectations of what the mob would do.

He was mad. Mad enough to want the town burned. Was it a smart thing to say? No. Was it a premeditated, planned speech? Hell, no.

Would the mob of people have rioted anyway? Most probably.

Did he join them, or lead them? Not that I've heard.

 

[Asclepias]

That footage of her falling apart, him holding her and then finally screaming out his rage and pain -

I'm sorry that RWs are so et up with their racist hate but no one can say they would not have lost control in that moment. Those people have been pushed to edge and more.

Try a little compassion.

Or, you could just keep on yammering your mindless hate while pretending to be good christians.

'tis the season, right?

Thats a horseshit excuse. I can understand the pain and anger. However to encourage people to bun the down down shows the mindset of this individual. There is a big difference between having compassion for a family that has lost a loved one and excusing an idiot who encourages vandalism and property destruction

People say a lot of things in anger that they would never say if they weren't in that state of mind.

We have masses of video of TP'ers saying stupid stuff in anger over the ACA.

People say stupid things when they are in the grip of strong emotions.

If we charged everyone who did that then your taxes for the prison population would exceed that of the defense budget in all likelihood.

You have to weigh the words along with the time they were said.

Yelling "Burn this bitch down !" by one of the protest leaders, over and over to a crowd already on the edge of rioting, moments after hearing the news the officer was not to be charged, was the height of irresponsibility.
His words delivered in the fashion that they were, likely led or added to the nights mass destruction.

He should be held responsible.

Who told you he was a protest leader? I havent heard that one.

 

[ogibillm]

it was stupid, but i don't think it's reasonable to blame the burning on him.
how many people do you think actually heard him say that?

Doesn't matter...he was clearly INCITING TO ARSON....ex-con piece of shit and the kid's mother also strong armed and robbed a woman selling MB stuff. If the authorities in Ferguson have any hair on their ass they'll go through the looted businesses CCTV footage and identify and charge as many of the looters as possible.

i sure hope so.
i do think charging him with 'inciting to arson' is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Derideo_Te]

calling for criminal actions or destruction of property

Moving the goalposts now?

This was my original statement;

We have masses of video of TP'ers saying stupid stuff in anger over the ACA.

The onus is on you to prove that I allegedly said what you are egregiously and falsely alleging now.

It seems like you were equating what tea party people have said to what the stepfather said..no? So now prove the tea party people said ahing remotely similar to what this punk said.

It seems the poster either has a difficult time staying on topic, wishes to derail subjects or prefers logical fallacy to honest debate

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own "factoids".

Except I am always prepared to prove my statements as you have proven your not

This thread contains the link that I provided proving my statement whereas the thread contains nothing but false allegations on your part with zero in the way of any proof whatsoever.

I am not in the least surprised that you are incapable of admitting to the hard facts in this thread.

Have a nice day.

 

[Blackrook]

Search 18 U.S.C. § 2101 : US Code - Section 2101: Riots

(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent - (1) to incite a riot; or (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or (3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or (4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph - (!1) Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (b) In any prosecution under this section, proof that a defendant engaged or attempted to engage in one or more of the overt acts described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) (!2) and (1) has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce, or (2) has use of or used any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including but not limited to, mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, to communicate with or broadcast to any person or group of persons prior to such overt acts, such travel or use shall be admissible proof to establish that such defendant traveled in or used such facility of interstate or foreign commerce. (c) A judgment of conviction or acquittal on the merits under the laws of any State shall be a bar to any prosecution hereunder for the same act or acts. (d) Whenever, in the opinion of the Attorney General or of the appropriate officer of the Department of Justice charged by law or under the instructions of the Attorney General with authority to act, any person shall have violated this chapter, the Department shall proceed as speedily as possible with a prosecution of such person hereunder and with any appeal which may lie from any decision adverse to the Government resulting from such prosecution. (e) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to make it unlawful for any person to travel in, or use any facility of, interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of pursuing the legitimate objectives of organized labor, through orderly and lawful means. (f) Nothing in this section shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of Congress to prevent any State, any possession or Commonwealth of the United States, or the District of Columbia, from exercising jurisdiction over any offense over which it would have jurisdiction in the absence of this section; nor shall anything in this section be construed as depriving State and local law enforcement authorities of responsibility for prosecuting acts that may be violations of this section and that are violations of State and local law.

- See more at: 18 U.S.C. 2101 US Code - Section 2101 Riots

This is the federal law. He incited riot by use of television, and the crime is punishable by up to five years in federal prison.

 

[JoeMoma]

Bottom line..... Don't rob stores, and don't assault a cop and try to take his gun. MB got what he deserved. Too many are trying to blame the cop for simply protecting his own life as well as the lives of law respecting people of the community.

The parents of MB are in a state of denial. They believe that "justice" will only be served if Wilson is tried and convicted of murder. The way I see it, MB is the one most responsible for his own demise with perhaps his parents being next in line for not raising him to respect the law. MB's parents will continue to believe the first accounts of MB being executed by Wilson even though it was MB's partner in crime that started those stories which have been discredited by hard evidence.

Had MB's parents accepted the turth that Wilson acted appropriately many riots could have been avoided.