Bureau of Land Management vs Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, and the US Constitution

[ogibillm]

WE HAVE NO COURTS .

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you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

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so what are our federal courts?

 

[Contumacious]

WE HAVE NO COURTS .

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you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


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[bendog]

WE HAVE NO COURTS .

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you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


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You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

 

[Skylar]

WE HAVE NO COURTS .

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you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

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I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

He didn't forget. He just hoped you had.

 

[xotoxi]

You know, we could make the RW easy button argument here,

nobody would be dead if these people had just obeyed the law, said yes sir no sir to the police, and done what they were told....

But he wasn't black, so that argument does not apply.

 

[Skylar]

Isn't it time the federal government took a hard look at the hundred years of federal confiscation of land? You can get arrested for trespassing on any one of thousands of (not so) secret federal military installations even when there are no secrets left to protect. Thanks to the passage of time and the effort of traitors and idiots like Hillary, not to mention giveaway programs like Clinton's nuclear deal with North Korea and ICBM deal with China and Hussein's deal with Iran and negligence by "intelligence" agencies and even cyber attack there are no secrets left. We spend time and manpower and money to protect remnants of 20th century cold war junk that we end up dumping but the feds won't give it up. We have learned recently that the federal agency responsible for monitoring water quality failed in it's mission in Flint Mich. so what makes us think the BLM still has a logical mission? The dirty little secret is that the federal government contains thousands of little kingdoms or bureaucracies and the unstated mission of every federal bureaucracy is to get bigger and get more funding and become more powerful even if it doesn't make any sense.

Robert "LaVoy" Finicum had no way of resolving the issue peacefully since Article III Courts have been abolished.
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He could have 'resolved' it peacefully by not committing criminal trespass in the first place.

Or he could have actually surrendered when stopped- rather than attempting to flee.

THE FEDS COULD HAVE "RESOLVED" IT PEACEFULLY BY ABOLISHING THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Or....they could simply have lawfully executed probable cause warrants for the arrest of Finnicum and his ilk.

Exactly as they did.

Its far simpler and works just as well.

THEY COULD HAVE ALSO CONCLUDED THAT THE FBI IS NOT A LAWFUL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND REMOVE THEM FROM THE SCENE<

yeah, but the FBI is a lawful law enforcement agency.

Remember, we're talking about the real world. And the hapless batshit nonsense that you tell yourself has no particular relevance. The actual law does.

 

[Skylar]

Execution style killing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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No it wasn't.

The man was reaching for his gun.

Stop lying.

Execution style killing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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No it wasn't.

The man was reaching for his gun.

Stop lying.

LISTEN , YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT , HAD HE INTENDED TO KILL THE GESTAPO HE WOULD HAVE DRIVEN THE SUV RIGHT INTO THE CHECKPOINT.


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Just who do you think you are?

You can't talk to me that way.

Have some class and self respect.

If you want to debate me I'm all for it but you'll have to behave like a mature adult. Using honest facts.

I will point that yes he could have slammed into those cars but like the coward he is, he didn't want to hurt himself. So he didn't slam into them. He got out of that truck, put his arms out briefly then reached for his gun.

When you do that expect to be killed.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST PIECE OF SHIT, A LOW LIFE SCUMBAG WHO BELIEVES THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE FACTS TO SUIT YOUR PREJUDICES.

HE IS SURROUNDED BY PIGS POINTING WEAPONS AT HIM - BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE ME THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET HURT BUT HE WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO PULL HIS WEAPON OUT KNOWING THAT DEATH WAS CERTAIN?

YOU ARE RETARDED TO THE MAX - TYPICAL BERNER

It was an assisination!

I'd be far more sympathetic to Lavoy if he hadn't been trying to draw a 9 mm pistol to murder an Oregon State Trooper. After running a police road block. After leading the cops on a high speed chase. After resisting arrest.

 

[Contumacious]

WE HAVE NO COURTS .

.

you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

 

[Skylar]

you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

Check out the Property clause. And who gets to make the rules on Federal property.

Then check the passage you cited again. Specifically, the 'Law of the United States' part. With 'conspiracy' being one of those federal laws.

Remember, Cont....we're using the actual law here. Not what you imagine the law to be.

 

[Camp]

you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

Sometimes, you just can't fix stupid.

 

[Skylar]

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

Sometimes, you just can't fix stupid.

Yeah, but you can always point and laugh at it. Plus, poke stupid with a stick.

 

[Syriusly]

I think it is amazing that only one occupant of that car was shot.

Cleveland to pay $3 million over 137-bullet police shooting | Fox News

CLEVELAND – The relatives of two people killed in a 137-shot barrage of police gunfire in 2012 will split a $3 million settlement from the city of Cleveland, the attorney for one of the families said Tuesday.
Thirteen Cleveland police officers fired into the victims' car after a high-speed chase, killing 43-year-old driver Timothy Russell and 30-year-old passenger Malissa Williams in the parking lot of a suburban middle school. Both were unarmed.

 

[easyt65]

Where is it written that says the Bureau of Land management can have it's own 'military' or 'Law Enforcement Division' and engage in 'Law Enforcement'?

I ask this question because when Harry Reid wanted the public land for his own personal profit and it was being used by an American citizen, a very highly militarized Bureau of Land Management showed up to drive the citizens off the land.

They had sniper aim their rifles directly at the heads of women and children. They STOLE a man's cattle and slaughtered them in an effort to drive the family off the property. To me that sounds a lot like criminal activity....if not 'terrorism'.

If the family was breaking the law and the law needed to be enforced that should have been the DOJ's - at the most the FBI's if they posed a threat...business, NOT the BLM's.

 

[bendog]

No it wasn't.

The man was reaching for his gun.

Stop lying.

No it wasn't.

The man was reaching for his gun.

Stop lying.

LISTEN , YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT , HAD HE INTENDED TO KILL THE GESTAPO HE WOULD HAVE DRIVEN THE SUV RIGHT INTO THE CHECKPOINT.


.

Just who do you think you are?

You can't talk to me that way.

Have some class and self respect.

If you want to debate me I'm all for it but you'll have to behave like a mature adult. Using honest facts.

I will point that yes he could have slammed into those cars but like the coward he is, he didn't want to hurt himself. So he didn't slam into them. He got out of that truck, put his arms out briefly then reached for his gun.

When you do that expect to be killed.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST PIECE OF SHIT, A LOW LIFE SCUMBAG WHO BELIEVES THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE FACTS TO SUIT YOUR PREJUDICES.

HE IS SURROUNDED BY PIGS POINTING WEAPONS AT HIM - BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE ME THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET HURT BUT HE WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO PULL HIS WEAPON OUT KNOWING THAT DEATH WAS CERTAIN?

YOU ARE RETARDED TO THE MAX - TYPICAL BERNER

It was an assisination!

I'd be far more sympathetic to Lavoy if he hadn't been trying to draw a 9 mm pistol to murder an Oregon State Trooper. After running a police road block. After leading the cops on a high speed chase. After resisting arrest.

Yep. Small ranchers survive

you are extremely dumb.
you can't possibly believe this, so why would you say it?

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

"laws of the united states"

 

[Contumacious]

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

Check out the Property clause. And who gets to make the rules on Federal property.

Then check the passage you cited again. Specifically, the 'Law of the United States' part. With 'conspiracy' being one of those federal laws.

Remember, Cont....we're using the actual law here. Not what you imagine the law to be.

HUH?

Ohhhhh, its you.

Let me remind you that Oregon and the rest of the region are STATES

SO the motherfuckers inside the DC beltway can't go in and declare state lands to be federal lands willy nilly.

Remember , socialist comrade, we are using actual law, not your Communist Manifesto.


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[Contumacious]

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

.

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


.

You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

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Sometimes, you just can't fix stupid.

I agree, state supremacists, socialists and fascists ARE stupid.

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[bendog]

You're hurting me. I thought you'd go with "court's (BLM) are biased against small ranchers," and I might have agreed in part.

Instead, you went full out neotard.

 

[Contumacious]

LISTEN , YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT , HAD HE INTENDED TO KILL THE GESTAPO HE WOULD HAVE DRIVEN THE SUV RIGHT INTO THE CHECKPOINT.


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Just who do you think you are?

You can't talk to me that way.

Have some class and self respect.

If you want to debate me I'm all for it but you'll have to behave like a mature adult. Using honest facts.

I will point that yes he could have slammed into those cars but like the coward he is, he didn't want to hurt himself. So he didn't slam into them. He got out of that truck, put his arms out briefly then reached for his gun.

When you do that expect to be killed.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST PIECE OF SHIT, A LOW LIFE SCUMBAG WHO BELIEVES THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE FACTS TO SUIT YOUR PREJUDICES.

HE IS SURROUNDED BY PIGS POINTING WEAPONS AT HIM - BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE ME THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET HURT BUT HE WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO PULL HIS WEAPON OUT KNOWING THAT DEATH WAS CERTAIN?

YOU ARE RETARDED TO THE MAX - TYPICAL BERNER

It was an assisination!

I'd be far more sympathetic to Lavoy if he hadn't been trying to draw a 9 mm pistol to murder an Oregon State Trooper. After running a police road block. After leading the cops on a high speed chase. After resisting arrest.

Yep. Small ranchers survive

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY

THERE ARE NO ARTICLE III COURTS

DON't ARFGUE THE POINT. YOU ARE A FUCKTARD WHO HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE US CONSTITUTION. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE ASININE REMARK.

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I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


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You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

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"laws of the united states"

Necessary and Proper Clause. The Congress shall have Power To ...make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by thisConstitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

 

[Skylar]

Just who do you think you are?

You can't talk to me that way.

Have some class and self respect.

If you want to debate me I'm all for it but you'll have to behave like a mature adult. Using honest facts.

I will point that yes he could have slammed into those cars but like the coward he is, he didn't want to hurt himself. So he didn't slam into them. He got out of that truck, put his arms out briefly then reached for his gun.

When you do that expect to be killed.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST PIECE OF SHIT, A LOW LIFE SCUMBAG WHO BELIEVES THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE FACTS TO SUIT YOUR PREJUDICES.

HE IS SURROUNDED BY PIGS POINTING WEAPONS AT HIM - BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE ME THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET HURT BUT HE WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO PULL HIS WEAPON OUT KNOWING THAT DEATH WAS CERTAIN?

YOU ARE RETARDED TO THE MAX - TYPICAL BERNER

It was an assisination!

I'd be far more sympathetic to Lavoy if he hadn't been trying to draw a 9 mm pistol to murder an Oregon State Trooper. After running a police road block. After leading the cops on a high speed chase. After resisting arrest.

Yep. Small ranchers survive

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


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You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

.

"laws of the united states"

Necessary and Proper Clause. The Congress shall have Power To ...make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by thisConstitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

One of the powers its delegated is the power to set rules for Federal property.

Again, see the Property Clause.

Remember, you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about, Cont.

 

[Skylar]

I probably know better, but I'll bite. What do you mean by no Art. III Courts?

1. U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Article III created an impartial and independent judiciary with LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

We have is a corrupt impostors, biased who are spineless and whose main task is to increase the power of the federal government.


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You forgot sec 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

How is Section 2 relevant?

But please note that the Founding Fathers specifically delineated the courts subject matter jurisdiction.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—

So where the fuck did the get the authority to consider criminal cases where the authority was not specifically enumerated by the Constitution?

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Check out the Property clause. And who gets to make the rules on Federal property.

Then check the passage you cited again. Specifically, the 'Law of the United States' part. With 'conspiracy' being one of those federal laws.

Remember, Cont....we're using the actual law here. Not what you imagine the law to be.

HUH?

Ohhhhh, its you.

Let me remind you that Oregon and the rest of the region are STATES

Let me remind you that the federal property within that State are under Federal law. As per the Property Clause.

Try again, Cont.