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Yes. It most certainly is your notion.It's not my notion, it's the law according to the US Constitution. Write your congressman, petition the SC, or just STFU.
Nope. In fact, I'm quite sure somewhere in the US this very day a baby was born to a non-citizen (maybe even an illegal alien) and that child is every bit the US citizen that YOU are. The immigration status of the parents - whatever it may be - is in no way altered by this joyous occasion. Fact, law, done.Yes. It most certainly is your notion.
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johnwk misinterpret's SCOTUS principle and meaning of jurisdiction,Yes. It most certainly is your notion.
You just disagree with what the S.C. has already stated regarding to the meaning of ". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. . . ", and that those who framed and debated the Fourteenth Amendment confirm what the S.C. has stated.
Of course, it's your notion, and one which ignores what the S.C. has stated.Nope.
Your desperate claims to the contrary do not alter REALITY.Of course, it's your notion, and one which ignores what the S.C. has stated.
Right. Johnwk does not understand that he does not understand the Court as the Court understands itself,Your desperate claims to the contrary do not alter REALITY.
Nope. Read the statute. It's perfectly clear.
You don't understand . If you're on US soil you are under US jurisdiction. What country's laws do you think have jurisdiction?Yes. It most certainly is your notion.
You just disagree with what the S.C. has already stated regarding to the meaning of ". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. . . ", and that those who framed and debated the Fourteenth Amendment confirm what the S.C. has stated.
Unless you are a foreign diplomat or in a foreign army here on assignment.You don't understand . If you're on US soil you are under US jurisdiction. What country's laws do you think have jurisdiction?
Unless you are a foreign diplomat or in a foreign army here on assignment.
OP fail
Every foreign national in the US is under US jurisdiction..
See: Birthright citizenship is guaranteed in the US Constitution. Both Trump and DeSantis want it gone, and they'll need the court's help to do it.
Madison Hall writes:
“As granted by the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868, anybody born in the United States is guaranteed citizenship. The right was affirmed thirty years later by the Supreme Court, which ruled that Wong Kim Ark was legally an American citizen after being born in the US, despite having Chinese-born parents who were barred from becoming citizens due to the Chinese Exclusion Act.”
Madison Hall ignores the qualifying condition stated in the 14th Amendment, i.e., ". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . ". And she relies upon Wong Kim Ark which is not applicable to the question of citizenship being granted to a child born on American soil, to an illegal entrant foreign national.
The factors involved which led to the court's opinion in Wong were:
(1)Wong Kim Ark’s parents were in our country legally;
(2) had been settled in American for quite some time;
(3) the parents had a permanent domicile and residence in the United States;
(4) they were carrying on a lawful business;
(5) and the parents were not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China at the time of Wong Kim Ark’s birth.
After the above facts were established by the Court, Justice Gray then stated with regard to Wong Kim Ark’s question of citizenship :
For the reasons above stated (which apparently in the judges' mind met the qualifying criteria, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"), the court was of the opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.
The simple truth is our Supreme Court has never, in its entire history, decided a case questioning whether or not a child born to an illegal entrant foreign national, while on American soil, is granted citizenship by the terms of the 1st Section of the 14th Amendment. And this is what both Trump and DeSantis are addressing.
Aside from that, one of the few times the Court did approach answering the qualifying condition, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was in the *Slaughterhouse Cases* 83 U.S. 36, 73 (1873) . The Court wrote “[t]he phrase, ‘subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of … citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States .”
And how does a foreign national become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under which birthright citizenship would apply? By taking our nation's Oath of Allegiance.
See our Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
Also see *Elk v. Wilkins* (1884) in which our S.C. points out:
"The main object of the opening sentence of the 14th Amendment was ... to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black, and whether formerly slaves or not, born or naturalized in the United States, and owing no allegiance to any alien power, should be citizens of the United States ... The evident meaning of (the words, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof") is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. ... Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterward, except by being naturalized..."
Finally, the best evidence regarding the question is to be found in the Congressional Record when the 14th Amendment was framed and debated.
John A. Bingham, considered the architect of the 14th Amendment's first section remarks on March 9th, 1866, during Congressional debates upon the intended meaning of “jurisdiction” in the following manner:
"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…" LINK (middle column 1/3 down)
Later, May 30th, during the debates when framing the 14th amendment and after the question was repeatedly asked as to who is and who is not a citizen of the United States, Mr. TRUMBULL responds as follows:
The provision is, that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” . . . “What do we mean by “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.” LINK 1st column halfway down.
Mr. Trumbull later [same page] emphasizes in crystal clear language that: “It cannot be said of any Indian who owes allegiance, partial allegiance if you please, to some other Government that he is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”
Business Insider needs to clean up its act and end perpetuating a myth.
JWK
Every foreign national in the US is under US jurisdiction.
You should learn to read.
How? By being in the United States. No other country's law have any jurisdiction in the United States."[T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." LINK
And how does a foreign national become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under which birthright citizenship would apply to a babe born on American soil to said foreign national? By taking our nation's Oath of Allegiance.
See our Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
You are desperately confused."[T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." LINK
And how does a foreign national become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under which birthright citizenship would apply to a babe born on American soil to said foreign national? By taking our nation's Oath of Allegiance.
See our Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
You are desperately confused.
No kidding. This is beyond stupid.Johnwk does not understand "jurisdiction."
Allegiance has nothing to do with US jurisdiction."[T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." LINK
And how does a foreign national become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under which birthright citizenship would apply to a babe born on American soil to said foreign national? By taking our nation's Oath of Allegiance.
See our Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
Reality remains unmoved by your ignorance and repetition.I'm certainly not confused with what The U.S.S.C and those who wrote the 14th Amendment have stated, with respect to the meaning of ". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . " as the words appear in our Constitution.
