California passes transgender student law

[Plasmaball]

Except they are pretending.

By the way, your story is about a stunt, not a real player. She took three snaps during the entire game, which is not my definition of playing the game.

your definition is irrelevant

I forgot, you come from a generation where everyone wins because no one keeps score.

yeah..i find that method of sports fucking retarded, and when i played we kept score.
I forgot you come from a generations of pampered retards.

 

[Plasmaball]

You don't care that teenage boys are going to be showering with teenage girls? And you think I need a life?

no, im not worried about a transgendered wanting to shower with girls.
They are not throwing all the guys and girls into one shower like you are trying to pull off.

They use the same locker room, but have separate showers? Can you prove that, or am I just supposed to believe you because you are a transformer?

prove what? the transgendered and the girls will use the same showers?
I dont care if they do. There is a reason why women like gay men. Your ignorance is showing, but what else is new of your generation.

 

[Plasmaball]

The people of California have joined together to block laws by voting them out in the past.

And the courts keep legislating from the bench against the will of the people.

I'm sick of courts making laws. It's not their function, and they pay nothing when they do a stupid that costs into the billions of dollars of breadwinners giving up food off their tables so the courts can lavish pet rock luxury on anybody they want to.

feel free to leave because you dont understand how the courts work....Perhaps russia is more your level?

 

[FA_Q2]

If it's not written that a girl can't play on a boys sport (or vice versa) then why did they make it a law?

The whole bathroom thing? Use the bathroom of what physical gender you are. I have no problem with an already existing bathroom (say the nurses office) being offered to those with gender issues. But to let them use whatever they desire? Bullshit.

This is just ANOTHER small, small minority screaming and demanding that the vast majority bend to their wishes. I'm sick and and tired of this shit.

Because transgendered students aren't doing it to play sports. They are transgendered and still want to participate in sports. Not the same thing. They will be using the facilities of the gender they associate with, that's all.

I don't think thats what the ruling says....

A new law requires public schools to allow pupils from kindergarten to the 12th grade to access male or female toilets according to their preference.

As in;

In June, a civil rights panel in Colorado ruled that a school had discriminated against a six-year-old transgender girl by barring her from using the girls' toilets.

And;

Opponents of the legislation said allowing pupils of one gender to use facilities intended for the other could invade the others students' privacy or violate their rights.
"Will transgender students make some other children uncomfortable? Perhaps," said the bill's author, Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano.

"I don't want to minimise that, but new experiences are often uncomfortable. That can't be an excuse for prejudice."


So, its 'prejudice' to expect someone who has ‘ changed' to another sex to use that’s sexes’ bathroom?

AFAIK, the law reads facilities and that is NOT a closed term. Let’s run with it anyway though because what is lacking here is common sense. Why the bathroom then and NOT the shower? What possible explanation can you have for that because quite frankly, there is none? The logic in both cases is identical and the invasion of privacy is equally abhorrent in both instances.

The entire basis of this train of thought is that the person ion question gets to self determine what they are (as though biology has not done that for them) and once this DECISION (that is important) is made the rest of us are OBLIGATED to cater to that.

There are SEVERAL problems with such an asinine thought process. The first is that this is a decision made by the person and that biology took that decision away. A black person might demand that he is white but quite frankly no matter how much demanding they do nature simply does not give a damn – they are still black. A woman is a woman no matter what cloths she throws on or how deep she tries to make her voice. The biological elements are still in place.

Further, I have no problem with you having the freedom to call yourself a woman if you are a man or vice versa BUT this ruling has nothing to do with that. You had that right before the ruling and you have the same unchanged right after. The difference is that you are now FORCING other to accomidate that decition. That is simply wrong. You can do as you please but you have no right to invade MY privacy in the execution of that.

This is no different than suddenly making all ‘facilities’ asexual. I know virtually everyone’s head would detonate instantly if a high school REQUIRED women to use the same facilities as men. Instantly people would be up in arms. What is absolutely fucking asinine is that this is the same fucking thing except that these people are ‘transgender’ and somehow that should afford them some strange protection from being inconvenienced by others privacy rights.

I don’t get it. As soon as an issue about gays or transgender people comes up, everyone looses the god damn mind. Its like critical thinking and logic go right out the damn window in an effort for people that want to feel superior and extra PC to race to the ‘acceptance’ of such asinine concepts.

I don’t give a shit if you don’t like your penis and want to wear a dress. Go ahead, that’s your right. What I am not going to do though is accept that you are something you are not and then suddenly start allowing you to BREAK THE DAMN LAW (because it is illegal for men to use facilities that are marked for women) because you want to ignore reality for your fantasy.

If any of you actually cared about this issue and the ‘poor’ transgendered people, you would be pushing for asexual facilities and the end to gender segregation across all lines. You don’t though because no one wants gender neutrality – it is an asinine concept. Instead, you are all fighting for a protected class that should get to ignore certain laws because they are delusional about the organ located between their legs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

no, im not worried about a transgendered wanting to shower with girls.
They are not throwing all the guys and girls into one shower like you are trying to pull off.

They use the same locker room, but have separate showers? Can you prove that, or am I just supposed to believe you because you are a transformer?

prove what? the transgendered and the girls will use the same showers?
I dont care if they do. There is a reason why women like gay men. Your ignorance is showing, but what else is new of your generation.

Your ignorance is showing again. Sexual Identity Disorder is a completely different condition than sexual preference. If you don't believe me, apply rule 34 to the subject.

Transgendered men does not mean that you are attracted to men

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Because transgendered students aren't doing it to play sports. They are transgendered and still want to participate in sports. Not the same thing. They will be using the facilities of the gender they associate with, that's all.

I don't think thats what the ruling says....

A new law requires public schools to allow pupils from kindergarten to the 12th grade to access male or female toilets according to their preference.

As in;

In June, a civil rights panel in Colorado ruled that a school had discriminated against a six-year-old transgender girl by barring her from using the girls' toilets.

And;

Opponents of the legislation said allowing pupils of one gender to use facilities intended for the other could invade the others students' privacy or violate their rights.
"Will transgender students make some other children uncomfortable? Perhaps," said the bill's author, Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano.

"I don't want to minimise that, but new experiences are often uncomfortable. That can't be an excuse for prejudice."


So, its 'prejudice' to expect someone who has ‘ changed' to another sex to use that’s sexes’ bathroom?

AFAIK, the law reads facilities and that is NOT a closed term. Let’s run with it anyway though because what is lacking here is common sense. Why the bathroom then and NOT the shower? What possible explanation can you have for that because quite frankly, there is none? The logic in both cases is identical and the invasion of privacy is equally abhorrent in both instances.

The entire basis of this train of thought is that the person ion question gets to self determine what they are (as though biology has not done that for them) and once this DECISION (that is important) is made the rest of us are OBLIGATED to cater to that.

There are SEVERAL problems with such an asinine thought process. The first is that this is a decision made by the person and that biology took that decision away. A black person might demand that he is white but quite frankly no matter how much demanding they do nature simply does not give a damn – they are still black. A woman is a woman no matter what cloths she throws on or how deep she tries to make her voice. The biological elements are still in place.

Further, I have no problem with you having the freedom to call yourself a woman if you are a man or vice versa BUT this ruling has nothing to do with that. You had that right before the ruling and you have the same unchanged right after. The difference is that you are now FORCING other to accomidate that decition. That is simply wrong. You can do as you please but you have no right to invade MY privacy in the execution of that.

This is no different than suddenly making all ‘facilities’ asexual. I know virtually everyone’s head would detonate instantly if a high school REQUIRED women to use the same facilities as men. Instantly people would be up in arms. What is absolutely fucking asinine is that this is the same fucking thing except that these people are ‘transgender’ and somehow that should afford them some strange protection from being inconvenienced by others privacy rights.

I don’t get it. As soon as an issue about gays or transgender people comes up, everyone looses the god damn mind. Its like critical thinking and logic go right out the damn window in an effort for people that want to feel superior and extra PC to race to the ‘acceptance’ of such asinine concepts.

I don’t give a shit if you don’t like your penis and want to wear a dress. Go ahead, that’s your right. What I am not going to do though is accept that you are something you are not and then suddenly start allowing you to BREAK THE DAMN LAW (because it is illegal for men to use facilities that are marked for women) because you want to ignore reality for your fantasy.

If any of you actually cared about this issue and the ‘poor’ transgendered people, you would be pushing for asexual facilities and the end to gender segregation across all lines. You don’t though because no one wants gender neutrality – it is an asinine concept. Instead, you are all fighting for a protected class that should get to ignore certain laws because they are delusional about the organ located between their legs.

Remember, no one is after special rights for anyone, they just want everyone to have the same rights, even if that means other people lose theirs.

 

[Plasmaball]

They use the same locker room, but have separate showers? Can you prove that, or am I just supposed to believe you because you are a transformer?

prove what? the transgendered and the girls will use the same showers?
I dont care if they do. There is a reason why women like gay men. Your ignorance is showing, but what else is new of your generation.

Your ignorance is showing again. Sexual Identity Disorder is a completely different condition than sexual preference. If you don't believe me, apply rule 34 to the subject.

Transgendered men does not mean that you are attracted to men

sexual preference.....and you call me ignorant? we can just stop this conversation now.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

prove what? the transgendered and the girls will use the same showers?
I dont care if they do. There is a reason why women like gay men. Your ignorance is showing, but what else is new of your generation.

Your ignorance is showing again. Sexual Identity Disorder is a completely different condition than sexual preference. If you don't believe me, apply rule 34 to the subject.

Transgendered men does not mean that you are attracted to men

sexual preference.....and you call me ignorant? we can just stop this conversation now.

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

 

[Plasmaball]

Your ignorance is showing again. Sexual Identity Disorder is a completely different condition than sexual preference. If you don't believe me, apply rule 34 to the subject.

Transgendered men does not mean that you are attracted to men

sexual preference.....and you call me ignorant? we can just stop this conversation now.

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

sexual preference.....and you call me ignorant? we can just stop this conversation now.

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

You state that like is is a fundamental truth of the universe. Tell you what, prove that sexual preference is not a choice. It should be pretty easy. we have decades worth of twin studies that prove that it isn't genetic, yet you keep ignoring the science because you, obviously, have evidence they have missed.

Lay it out for the rest of us, or admit you don't have any evidence, and that all you have is your faith that somebody else saying something makes it true.

 

[Montrovant]

Can those of you who agree with this bill tell me if separate bathrooms are a reasonable thing?

I ask because I would like to understand how separate bathrooms can be reasonable but having someone who is physically a member of one gender using the bathroom of the other gender is also reasonable. As far as I can see, that must mean that the reason for separate bathrooms has nothing to do with separating physical genders, so what is the reason? Why do we need separate bathrooms for self-identified genders?

 

[Againsheila]

This is just plain stupid When my niece was 6 years old she was visiting us and it was bath time. We bathed my son Andrew first and she wanted to bathe with him. When she asked me why, I said because he's a boy and you're a girl. She said repeatedly "I'm a boy!" Today she is 18 years old and a young woman. She tired on my wedding dress when she visited us this summer. Imagine if by those simple words, we decided to make her a boy, how depressed and wrong she would feel today. Kids don't know, let them grow up and decide on their own.

I was a Tom Boy, I loved jeans and t shirts. I loved playing in the dirt, cowboys and Indians and playing Space with the boys instead of dolls with the girls. I would hate it if somebody decided that meant I wanted to be a boy instead of a girl. Today I've been married to the same man for 32 years and we have 2 children, both boys. My oldest did want to trade in his little brother for a girl when we first brought him home, but they are still both boys. Parents who decide a 5 or six year old is a different gender than they were born, are abusers and should be in jail. Let the kid grow up and then he/she can decide on his/her own.

 

[FA_Q2]

sexual preference.....and you call me ignorant? we can just stop this conversation now.

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

And?

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant to the point which was that sexual identity disorder is NOT connected to sexual desire. The choice or lack of it is irrelevant to that what gender you identify with. Arguing this straw man is simply another way to distract from the fact that you cannot support the positions that you have taken in this thread.

 

[novasteve]

You people don't get it. Liberals cater to the most deviant, fucked in the head people, and then force you all to accept that deviant reality as your reality, because it makes liberals feel all good and self righteous about themselves. Liberals are fucking mentally disturbed, and enabled deviancy.

 

[novasteve]

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

And?

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant to the point which was that sexual identity disorder is NOT connected to sexual desire. The choice or lack of it is irrelevant to that what gender you identify with. Arguing this straw man is simply another way to distract from the fact that you cannot support the positions that you have taken in this thread.

"Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like"

That's exactly the argumen the HIV positive liberal limp wristers are doing to normalize pedophelia. It isn't "next", it is already happening.

 

[Misty]

There's nothing funnier to me than how terrified of penises in the ladies room you guys are.

Cuz men pee on the seat. :/

 

[Plasmaball]

You don't like the term sexual preference? Is that because it hurts brain when people don't listen to the decrees of Slate Magazine? Unless you can provide scientific evidence that people do not have free will, I will continue to assume that they do. If the lack of evidence to support your position offends you, change your position, don't cry, it makes you look childish.

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

And?

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant to the point which was that sexual identity disorder is NOT connected to sexual desire. The choice or lack of it is irrelevant to that what gender you identify with. Arguing this straw man is simply another way to distract from the fact that you cannot support the positions that you have taken in this thread.

The sociocultural influences on the development of GID are traumatic rearing and sexual orientation. Traumatic child-rearing that developed into gender dysphoria is evidenced by the experience of David Reimer, a natal male whose penis was accidentally amputated as an infant, so his parents raised him as female. David was never comfortable with his assigned femaleness, and he transitioned back to a male later in life. He committed suicide at age of 39.[14] In terms of sexual orientation as a cause for GID, Ray Blanchard proposes that male-to-female "homosexual transsexuals" transition because they are attracted to men, and male-to-female "non-homosexual transsexuals" become transsexual because they are autogynephillic, attracted to the idea of themselves as a female.[15]

so its a little of both...so it is relevant to the issue.

furthermore has anyone asked the students how they feel?

 

[Plasmaball]

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

And?

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant to the point which was that sexual identity disorder is NOT connected to sexual desire. The choice or lack of it is irrelevant to that what gender you identify with. Arguing this straw man is simply another way to distract from the fact that you cannot support the positions that you have taken in this thread.

"Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like"

That's exactly the argumen the HIV positive liberal limp wristers are doing to normalize pedophelia. It isn't "next", it is already happening.

oh good you are one of these type of people.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

it doesnt offend me, i just find it rather stupid.Sexual desire is not a choice, you are born with what you like. you couldnt offend me on your best day with your limited Iq.

And?

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant to the point which was that sexual identity disorder is NOT connected to sexual desire. The choice or lack of it is irrelevant to that what gender you identify with. Arguing this straw man is simply another way to distract from the fact that you cannot support the positions that you have taken in this thread.

The sociocultural influences on the development of GID are traumatic rearing and sexual orientation. Traumatic child-rearing that developed into gender dysphoria is evidenced by the experience of David Reimer, a natal male whose penis was accidentally amputated as an infant, so his parents raised him as female. David was never comfortable with his assigned femaleness, and he transitioned back to a male later in life. He committed suicide at age of 39.[14] In terms of sexual orientation as a cause for GID, Ray Blanchard proposes that male-to-female "homosexual transsexuals" transition because they are attracted to men, and male-to-female "non-homosexual transsexuals" become transsexual because they are autogynephillic, attracted to the idea of themselves as a female.[15]

so its a little of both...so it is relevant to the issue.

furthermore has anyone asked the students how they feel?

I am supposed to ask a bunch of teenage boys if they have an objection to sleeping with a teenage girl?

By the way, I dare you to tell me this is not the issue.

 

[Trajan]

Because transgendered students aren't doing it to play sports. They are transgendered and still want to participate in sports. Not the same thing. They will be using the facilities of the gender they associate with, that's all.

I don't think thats what the ruling says....

A new law requires public schools to allow pupils from kindergarten to the 12th grade to access male or female toilets according to their preference.

As in;

In June, a civil rights panel in Colorado ruled that a school had discriminated against a six-year-old transgender girl by barring her from using the girls' toilets.

And;

Opponents of the legislation said allowing pupils of one gender to use facilities intended for the other could invade the others students' privacy or violate their rights.
"Will transgender students make some other children uncomfortable? Perhaps," said the bill's author, Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano.

"I don't want to minimise that, but new experiences are often uncomfortable. That can't be an excuse for prejudice."


So, its 'prejudice' to expect someone who has ‘ changed' to another sex to use that’s sexes’ bathroom?

AFAIK, the law reads facilities and that is NOT a closed term. Let’s run with it anyway though because what is lacking here is common sense. Why the bathroom then and NOT the shower? What possible explanation can you have for that because quite frankly, there is none? The logic in both cases is identical and the invasion of privacy is equally abhorrent in both instances.

The entire basis of this train of thought is that the person ion question gets to self determine what they are (as though biology has not done that for them) and once this DECISION (that is important) is made the rest of us are OBLIGATED to cater to that.

There are SEVERAL problems with such an asinine thought process. The first is that this is a decision made by the person and that biology took that decision away. A black person might demand that he is white but quite frankly no matter how much demanding they do nature simply does not give a damn – they are still black. A woman is a woman no matter what cloths she throws on or how deep she tries to make her voice. The biological elements are still in place.

Further, I have no problem with you having the freedom to call yourself a woman if you are a man or vice versa BUT this ruling has nothing to do with that. You had that right before the ruling and you have the same unchanged right after. The difference is that you are now FORCING other to accomidate that decition. That is simply wrong. You can do as you please but you have no right to invade MY privacy in the execution of that.

This is no different than suddenly making all ‘facilities’ asexual. I know virtually everyone’s head would detonate instantly if a high school REQUIRED women to use the same facilities as men. Instantly people would be up in arms. What is absolutely fucking asinine is that this is the same fucking thing except that these people are ‘transgender’ and somehow that should afford them some strange protection from being inconvenienced by others privacy rights.

I don’t get it. As soon as an issue about gays or transgender people comes up, everyone looses the god damn mind. Its like critical thinking and logic go right out the damn window in an effort for people that want to feel superior and extra PC to race to the ‘acceptance’ of such asinine concepts.

I don’t give a shit if you don’t like your penis and want to wear a dress. Go ahead, that’s your right. What I am not going to do though is accept that you are something you are not and then suddenly start allowing you to BREAK THE DAMN LAW (because it is illegal for men to use facilities that are marked for women) because you want to ignore reality for your fantasy.

If any of you actually cared about this issue and the ‘poor’ transgendered people, you would be pushing for asexual facilities and the end to gender segregation across all lines. You don’t though because no one wants gender neutrality – it is an asinine concept. Instead, you are all fighting for a protected class that should get to ignore certain laws because they are delusional about the organ located between their legs.

uhm, did you quote the right person? why on earth did you direct that at me?