California To Wal-Mart: Enough! No More Taxpayer Subsidized Profits For You

[Oddball]

News Flash everyone! Any State that has the Federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or lower will be eligible for Medicaid if the state is doing the expansion. This doesn't just apply to Walmart!

You'll never get that little factiod to penetrate the thick skulls of the Wally World jihadists.

Lord knows I've tried.

 

[Katzndogz]

I sure hope this causes Wal Mart to leave California. Fire all those people move. Surely they can find just as many customers in China or India. Or move to Nevada and only sell to California on line. Become another Amazon!

Of course if such a bill did make it into law, imagine what that would do to the agriculture industry and all the low paid illegals they employ.

This bill might be the death knell for democrats in California. It might be the straw that finally makes things so bad, it shows the state exactly what democrats will do when given power.

Wal Mart is not leaving CA. The market is too big and that are packed with there prime customer base: Low to middle incomers.

For once this is not a bad law. For a while now many of these big box retailers used medicaid and state equivalence of medicaid as their benefit programs. I know they have HR people at every location that advise how to get on these programs. They give them the paperwork, tell them what to send, what to say and where to go.

It's disgusting and wrong. They're the wealthest non-oil company in the world, it's immoral they don't provide affordable healthcare for their employees! However, that is their choice. Nonetheless, the taxpayor shouldn't have to pick up the bill to take care of this!

Whatever the company saves in providing benefits, is passed right back to the consumer tax payer in the form of lower prices.

There are some jobs that just are not suited to someone who is the sole breadwinner for a family. Wal Mart jobs are some of them. On the other hand, if someone wants to work for Wal Mart as a career, the company is more than happy to provide educational benefits, send you to college and help you advance to management. We have something we didn't have before. We have people who want to make lifelong careers out of the most menial of jobs. The guy who does clean up on aisle 6 intends on doing that for the next 40 years, but wants to be paid the same as the guy who did clean up on aisle 7 but advanced out of that into something else.

Low pay and no benefits should be an incentive for better pay and being worth benefits. It's not. The lowest types of employment at Wal Mart is for entry level workers, retirees, second income jobs, college and high school kids. They were never intended to be lifetime vocations to raise families on.

 

[Defiant1]

This move will make other business think twice before...

...doing business in the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Yes, yes it will.

They broke no law, nor is anyone forced to work at WalMart dumbshit. This would be hysterical if it weren't so pathetic. You central planners put a program like Medi-Cal into place and then bitch when people take advantage of it. The irony is thick and the hypocrisy overwhelming. Good luck with that.

Yeah...no one forces them to work there....they could just become COMPLETE burdens on society...you act as though Walmart is a career, not a job....people choose careers....they NEED jobs.....and with so many of our formerly good paying jobs gone for sweatshops in 3rd world countries....those jobs that were left behind are the shitty ones.

I still say the answer to this is a Nationwide private sector strike....stock up on 2-3 weeks worth of food and pull a Lech Walesa. If all the low income workers organized they could bring these companies to their knees and force them into treating their.employees better.

Why don't you consider Wal-Mart a career? Store managers make 160k+.

Then there are regional positions above that even before you get to the HQ level.

You also have the opportunity to work almost anywhere in the world. Sounds like a great career to me.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I sure hope this causes Wal Mart to leave California. Fire all those people move. Surely they can find just as many customers in China or India. Or move to Nevada and only sell to California on line. Become another Amazon!

Of course if such a bill did make it into law, imagine what that would do to the agriculture industry and all the low paid illegals they employ.

This bill might be the death knell for democrats in California. It might be the straw that finally makes things so bad, it shows the state exactly what democrats will do when given power.

Wal Mart is not leaving CA. The market is too big and that are packed with there prime customer base: Low to middle incomers.

For once this is not a bad law. For a while now many of these big box retailers used medicaid and state equivalence of medicaid as their benefit programs. I know they have HR people at every location that advise how to get on these programs. They give them the paperwork, tell them what to send, what to say and where to go.

It's disgusting and wrong. They're the wealthest non-oil company in the world, it's immoral they don't provide affordable healthcare for their employees! However, that is their choice. Nonetheless, the taxpayor shouldn't have to pick up the bill to take care of this!

Whatever the company saves in providing benefits, is passed right back to the consumer tax payer in the form of lower prices.

There are some jobs that just are not suited to someone who is the sole breadwinner for a family. Wal Mart jobs are some of them. On the other hand, if someone wants to work for Wal Mart as a career, the company is more than happy to provide educational benefits, send you to college and help you advance to management. We have something we didn't have before. We have people who want to make lifelong careers out of the most menial of jobs. The guy who does clean up on aisle 6 intends on doing that for the next 40 years, but wants to be paid the same as the guy who did clean up on aisle 7 but advanced out of that into something else.

Low pay and no benefits should be an incentive for better pay and being worth benefits. It's not. The lowest types of employment at Wal Mart is for entry level workers, retirees, second income jobs, college and high school kids. They were never intended to be lifetime vocations to raise families on.

False

 

[Steelplate]

...it's immoral they don't provide affordable healthcare for their employees!

Tell us, why should ANY company be forced to provide healthcare to its employees? Why not milk? How about clothes? Certainly clothes and food are more important than health insurance.

Explain it to us using logic and reason, if you can.

You're right....why did Nixon start that bullshit? Oh yeah...because he didn't want a National Health Care program. He wanted for profit, employee based health care....so did the employers. Why? Because it favored big business(who can afford it) and it makes for employees who will take massive amounts of shit from their employers because they know the cost of paying out of pocket if their wife, their husbands or their kids get sick.

Stop pretending that only government and poor people can take advantage and be exploitative.

 

[Steelplate]

In a Socialist society, sure. In a free society, no. Anyone working for WalMart is free to seek employment elsewhere. Your conclusion that it's either WalMart or the dole is bullshit.



So no one working at WalMart has a career? God you're dumb.



Now why do you think so many jobs have been shipped overseas? Think it has anything to do with government meddling in wages, healthcare, regulations and other screwing with the labor market? You're either dumb or extremely obtuse.



Good luck asshole. With union membership deteriorating for decades now, you should have no problem with your little plan.

All it takes is enough people who get tired of being shit on. Which is rapidly happening....look at the NYC fast food strike.

Power to the people not the fucking government. Besides it's their own damn fault for not paying attention 8n school. No one is forcing them to work there.

Yeah...fuck it...who needs shelter or food....

 

[Steelplate]

Yea, it's corporations that passed all these entitlements...

Dumb as a fucking rock you are.

Oh....that's right...I forget who I'm talking to....you'd rather see those employees starve

Strawman much?

, or see both parents working 80 hours/ week while their kids are left unattended...

Perhaps parents that are not capable of earning more than minimum wage (probably about 1-2% of workers) shouldn't be trying to raise a family until their skill set warrants more compensation.

Or are there bad choices my responsibility?

then you'll bitch about the lack of morals and good parenting that cause these kids to do all kinds of drugs, have unprotected sex and of course, "kill sere babies".

No, you're the one bitching. I make no judgement on another's morals and I couldn't care less what someone else puts into their body. Lastly, I have no idea what "sere" means, other than dry vegetation. Not too bright, are you?

So, now you are trying do decide who does and doesn't get to raise a family? Fuck you. What if one of those poor families with shitty skill sets gives birth to the doctor that finds a cure for cancer, or figures out a way to make renewable, non polluting energy a dirt cheap proposition?

"Sere" was supposed to be "dere" as in redneck for "their" autocorrect sucks...

 

[Wacky Quacky]

I love how when liberals start foaming at the mouth about Wal-Mart they conveniently forget that Target and K-Mart pay even less than Wal-Mart does.

This bill is nothing but a biased partisan hit job designed to win more votes from liberals.

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh....that's right...I forget who I'm talking to....you'd rather see those employees starve

Strawman much?



Perhaps parents that are not capable of earning more than minimum wage (probably about 1-2% of workers) shouldn't be trying to raise a family until their skill set warrants more compensation.

Or are there bad choices my responsibility?

then you'll bitch about the lack of morals and good parenting that cause these kids to do all kinds of drugs, have unprotected sex and of course, "kill sere babies".

No, you're the one bitching. I make no judgement on another's morals and I couldn't care less what someone else puts into their body. Lastly, I have no idea what "sere" means, other than dry vegetation. Not too bright, are you?

So, now you are trying do decide who does and doesn't get to raise a family? Fuck you. What if one of those poor families with shitty skill sets gives birth to the doctor that finds a cure for cancer, or figures out a way to make renewable, non polluting energy a dirt cheap proposition?

"Sere" was supposed to be "dere" as in redneck for "their" autocorrect sucks...

Or what if that kid got conceived immaculately and is called Jesus..

Or what if those parents decide to abort him? Oh --- no problem there eh?

You want to snap out of miracles and fantasy or are you stuck?

Maybe family planning involves more than a pill and a D & C... Maybe there should be money available for baby food...

 

[Avorysuds]

Another suicide attempt by the peoples republick of California. Kick out Walmart and force people to pay more for everything.

That's not the choice since Walmart isn't closing stores. The choice is keep Wal-Mart employees subsidized with tax payers money or don't.

yep. I see how all the usual suspect, Righties failed to address the fact that the fed is subsidizing Wally World while one of their owners has a net worth of $8,000,000,000+

well Righties?

Once again, because you're politically handicapped as well... The vast consensus is "end welfare as it is done today." Problem solved, either Wall-Mart pays more, prices come down top match the living wadge, or Wall-Mart goes outa business.

 

[Meathead]

So, now you are trying do decide who does and doesn't get to raise a family? Fuck you. What if one of those poor families with shitty skill sets gives birth to the doctor that finds a cure for cancer, or figures out a way to make renewable, non polluting energy a dirt cheap proposition?.

A seriously stupid argument. Sounds kinda like an argument against abortion too.

 

[Dot Com]

In a Socialist society, sure. In a free society, no. Anyone working for WalMart is free to seek employment elsewhere. Your conclusion that it's either WalMart or the dole is bullshit.



So no one working at WalMart has a career? God you're dumb.



Now why do you think so many jobs have been shipped overseas? Think it has anything to do with government meddling in wages, healthcare, regulations and other screwing with the labor market? You're either dumb or extremely obtuse.



Good luck asshole. With union membership deteriorating for decades now, you should have no problem with your little plan.

All it takes is enough people who get tired of being shit on. Which is rapidly happening....look at the NYC fast food strike.

Power to the people not the fucking government. Besides it's their own damn fault for not paying attention 8n school. No one is forcing them to work there.

yeah!!! its not like living-wage, manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas so they don't have to provide a modicum of benefits!!! Oh, wait

 

[Steelplate]

Strawman much?



Perhaps parents that are not capable of earning more than minimum wage (probably about 1-2% of workers) shouldn't be trying to raise a family until their skill set warrants more compensation.

Or are there bad choices my responsibility?



No, you're the one bitching. I make no judgement on another's morals and I couldn't care less what someone else puts into their body. Lastly, I have no idea what "sere" means, other than dry vegetation. Not too bright, are you?

So, now you are trying do decide who does and doesn't get to raise a family? Fuck you. What if one of those poor families with shitty skill sets gives birth to the doctor that finds a cure for cancer, or figures out a way to make renewable, non polluting energy a dirt cheap proposition?

"Sere" was supposed to be "dere" as in redneck for "their" autocorrect sucks...

Or what if that kid got conceived immaculately and is called Jesus..

Or what if those parents decide to abort him? Oh --- no problem there eh?

You want to snap out of miracles and fantasy or are you stuck?

Maybe family planning involves more than a pill and a D & C... Maybe there should be money available for baby food...

If parents decide to abort...that's their sin, isn't it? Who the fuck are you to decide for them? I guess you feel that poor, uneducated people aren't capable of producing intelligent offspring? Guess you're into that whole eugenics thing that the right accuses the left of.

 

[hboats]

For years, Wal-Mart—and other large retail operators—have been piling up huge profits by controlling their labor costs through paying employees sub-poverty level wages. As a result, it has long been left to the taxpayer to provide healthcare and other subsidized benefits to the many Wal-Mart employees who are dependent on Medicaid, food stamp programs and subsidized housing in order to keep their families from going under.

With Medicaid eligibility about to be expanded in some 30 states, as a result of the Affordable Care Act, Wal-Mart has responded by cutting employee hours—and thereby wages—even further in order to push more of their workers into state Medicaid programs and increase Wal-Mart profits. Good news for Wal-Mart shareholders and senior management earning the big bucks—not so good for the taxpayers who will now be expected to contribute even larger amounts of money to subsidize Wal-Mart’s burgeoning profits.

How many times have people tried to tell others that just because it's profitable for Wal MArt doesn't mean its good for America? Answer: Too many

Legislation is now making its way through the California legislature—with the support of consumer groups, unions and, interestingly, physicians—that would levy a fine of up to $6,000 on employers like Wal-Mart for every full-time employee that ends up on the state’s Medi-Cal program—the California incarnation of Medicaid.

The amount of the fine is no coincidence.

A report released last week by the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce, estimates that the cost of Wal-Mart’s failure to adequately pay its employees could total about $5,815 per employee each and every year of employment.

That's $6000 per employee times how many employees = $$BIG BUCKS$$$

After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300- person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per employee.”

*snip*

What I always find fascinating is that the very people who are so critical of the subsidies provided by Obamacare to lower-earning Americans (how many times have these people reminded us that “someone is paying for these subsidies”) never seem to have much of a problem with the subsidies we pay to support Wal-Mart’s massive profits by picking up the healthcare tab for so many of the company’s employees. But then, those who support taxpayers doing the job that Wal-Mart should be doing tend to be the same folks who are quick to suggest that nobody is forcing workers to take a job at Wal-Mart. Apparently, these people are operating under the opinion that a Wal-Mart worker earning below the federal poverty level wouldn’t readily move to a better paying job if such a job were available to that worker.

This move will make other business think twice before thinking they can just get the tax payer to foot their bills

Isn't it against board rules to quote something without posting a link to what you are quoting?

Rick

 

[ClosedCaption]

California To Wal-Mart: Enough! No More Taxpayer Subsidized Profits For You - Forbes

Fixed it

 

[GWV5903]

For years, Wal-Mart—and other large retail operators—have been piling up huge profits by controlling their labor costs through paying employees sub-poverty level wages. As a result, it has long been left to the taxpayer to provide healthcare and other subsidized benefits to the many Wal-Mart employees who are dependent on Medicaid, food stamp programs and subsidized housing in order to keep their families from going under.

With Medicaid eligibility about to be expanded in some 30 states, as a result of the Affordable Care Act, Wal-Mart has responded by cutting employee hours—and thereby wages—even further in order to push more of their workers into state Medicaid programs and increase Wal-Mart profits. Good news for Wal-Mart shareholders and senior management earning the big bucks—not so good for the taxpayers who will now be expected to contribute even larger amounts of money to subsidize Wal-Mart’s burgeoning profits.

How many times have people tried to tell others that just because it's profitable for Wal MArt doesn't mean its good for America? Answer: Too many

Legislation is now making its way through the California legislature—with the support of consumer groups, unions and, interestingly, physicians—that would levy a fine of up to $6,000 on employers like Wal-Mart for every full-time employee that ends up on the state’s Medi-Cal program—the California incarnation of Medicaid.

The amount of the fine is no coincidence.

A report released last week by the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce, estimates that the cost of Wal-Mart’s failure to adequately pay its employees could total about $5,815 per employee each and every year of employment.

That's $6000 per employee times how many employees = $$BIG BUCKS$$$

After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300- person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per employee.”

*snip*

What I always find fascinating is that the very people who are so critical of the subsidies provided by Obamacare to lower-earning Americans (how many times have these people reminded us that “someone is paying for these subsidies”) never seem to have much of a problem with the subsidies we pay to support Wal-Mart’s massive profits by picking up the healthcare tab for so many of the company’s employees. But then, those who support taxpayers doing the job that Wal-Mart should be doing tend to be the same folks who are quick to suggest that nobody is forcing workers to take a job at Wal-Mart. Apparently, these people are operating under the opinion that a Wal-Mart worker earning below the federal poverty level wouldn’t readily move to a better paying job if such a job were available to that worker.

This move will make other business think twice before thinking they can just get the tax payer to foot their bills

Can you really be this stupid???

Obviously you can...

If you want to vent your anger on someone why not your parents for cutting off your oxygen supply???

Wal-Mart's not the problem dumbass, its idiots like you, get up off your ass and contribute something positive...

Otherwise STFU...

 

[eflatminor]

...it's immoral they don't provide affordable healthcare for their employees!

Tell us, why should ANY company be forced to provide healthcare to its employees? Why not milk? How about clothes? Certainly clothes and food are more important than health insurance.

Explain it to us using logic and reason, if you can.

You're right....why did Nixon start that bullshit?

Because he was a Progressive central planner that was just sure he knew what was best for everyone. They're in both parties you know.

Oh yeah...because he didn't want a National Health Care program. He wanted for profit, employee based health care....so did the employers. Why? Because it favored big business(who can afford it) and it makes for employees who will take massive amounts of shit from their employers because they know the cost of paying out of pocket if their wife, their husbands or their kids get sick.

Sounds like you agree it was a bad idea. No company should be forced to provide health insurance...or milk.

Stop pretending that only government and poor people can take advantage and be exploitative.

Never pretended any such thing. I stand against anyone 'taking advantage', especially when they have the power of government behind them.

Again, all we want is VOLUNTARY.

 

[Avorysuds]

So Repubs when giving a choice between subsidizing business and not. They chose to subsidize. Then complains about the people who are being subsidized. Then demonize the people are being subsidized while ignoring the company that is making a MINT from your tax dollars.

Repubs are a strange bunch. They would stand in front of Walmart to yell at the employees for being on Welfare but not the company that employs them so little that they have to be on welfare while that company is making stupid cash.

It's always the little guy with the repubs....

Read the thread YOU started dumb fuck. We're (not that I'm a Republican) mocking you for wanting to single out who is allowed to receive welfare.

Seriously, on what grounds do you stand on when claiming Wall-mart should be fined/taxed/whatever more because an amount of their employee's are on welfare, but not apply that same rule to every single business large or small that have even a single employee on welfare? You have made the perfect case against welfare, and I agree, get rid of it.

People simply point out that Wall-Mart will (probably) leave the state if you un-fairly require them to pay more while waiving that tax/fee/whatever on companies you either like or simple don;t make enough political points attacking.

But it's OK for them to pay an unsustainable wage and force the taxpayer to make up the difference? I love it....welfare for the poor? You fuckin' despise it.....welfare for multibillion dollar corporations? You support the shit out of it.

BTW....Walmart isn't going anywhere. They are making money hand over fist and even with the regulation, they will still make money hand over fist. Oh, they will bawl and whine and bluster and threaten....but they won't leave and they won't raise prices...because people will then just go to Target or some other store.

You see, the issue is that you guys are so brainwashed to the right wing talking points that you NEVER consider one thing...that they just might be lying to you to keep the gravy train rolling for as long as possible.

WHERE!?!?!!?!?!? WHERE DID I SUPPORT SUBSIDIES FOR CORPORATIONS??????????


Was it when I said "end welfare"? Holy fuck you people make America look stupid.

 

[ClosedCaption]

For years, Wal-Mart—and other large retail operators—have been piling up huge profits by controlling their labor costs through paying employees sub-poverty level wages. As a result, it has long been left to the taxpayer to provide healthcare and other subsidized benefits to the many Wal-Mart employees who are dependent on Medicaid, food stamp programs and subsidized housing in order to keep their families from going under.

With Medicaid eligibility about to be expanded in some 30 states, as a result of the Affordable Care Act, Wal-Mart has responded by cutting employee hours—and thereby wages—even further in order to push more of their workers into state Medicaid programs and increase Wal-Mart profits. Good news for Wal-Mart shareholders and senior management earning the big bucks—not so good for the taxpayers who will now be expected to contribute even larger amounts of money to subsidize Wal-Mart’s burgeoning profits.

How many times have people tried to tell others that just because it's profitable for Wal MArt doesn't mean its good for America? Answer: Too many



That's $6000 per employee times how many employees = $$BIG BUCKS$$$



*snip*

What I always find fascinating is that the very people who are so critical of the subsidies provided by Obamacare to lower-earning Americans (how many times have these people reminded us that “someone is paying for these subsidies”) never seem to have much of a problem with the subsidies we pay to support Wal-Mart’s massive profits by picking up the healthcare tab for so many of the company’s employees. But then, those who support taxpayers doing the job that Wal-Mart should be doing tend to be the same folks who are quick to suggest that nobody is forcing workers to take a job at Wal-Mart. Apparently, these people are operating under the opinion that a Wal-Mart worker earning below the federal poverty level wouldn’t readily move to a better paying job if such a job were available to that worker.

This move will make other business think twice before thinking they can just get the tax payer to foot their bills

Can you really be this stupid???

Obviously you can...

If you want to vent your anger on someone why not your parents for cutting off your oxygen supply???

Wal-Mart's not the problem dumbass, its idiots like you, get up off your ass and contribute something positive...

Otherwise STFU...

You can always tell when someone has nothing to add. They usually froth at the mouth, ask rhetorical questions and call names. Really creative names I might add

 

[eflatminor]

Oh....that's right...I forget who I'm talking to....you'd rather see those employees starve

Strawman much?



Perhaps parents that are not capable of earning more than minimum wage (probably about 1-2% of workers) shouldn't be trying to raise a family until their skill set warrants more compensation.

Or are there bad choices my responsibility?

then you'll bitch about the lack of morals and good parenting that cause these kids to do all kinds of drugs, have unprotected sex and of course, "kill sere babies".

No, you're the one bitching. I make no judgement on another's morals and I couldn't care less what someone else puts into their body. Lastly, I have no idea what "sere" means, other than dry vegetation. Not too bright, are you?

So, now you are trying do decide who does and doesn't get to raise a family? Fuck you.

No asshole, I said no such thing. Lie much? I don't care who raises a family, just don't ask me to pay for it.

What if one of those poor families with shitty skill sets gives birth to the doctor that finds a cure for cancer, or figures out a way to make renewable, non polluting energy a dirt cheap proposition?

Good for them. But either way, the cost to raise that family is not my problem, nor yours.

"Sere" was supposed to be "dere" as in redneck for "their" autocorrect sucks..

So now you ASSUMED I am against abortion? Wrong yet again. You're really not very good at this debating thing. Better luck next time.