Calling It a New Name Won't Make Socialism Work

[Weatherman2020]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
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Have any evidence they're not?

Sure. The ACA.
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That’s funny. The author already admitted it was a stepping stone to socialist national healthcare.

 

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So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
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True. But...

Are they proposing more regulation of various industries and markets rather than less? Yes.
Are they proposing higher corporate taxes? Yes.

Regulations influence or dictate how businesses run and taxes obviously take operating expenses away from them. They are very transparent about wanting more influence on how commerce is done in the U.S., not less. Pair that with their transparent desire for giant government funded programs at extremely high costs and it's very hard to take them at their word.

Why not be honest and call it what it is, or don't call it what it's not? Higher taxes and social programs is not socialism.

"Socialism" is just a concept of socializing resources. It can be applied to anything where there's more than one person involved. If you go out to lunch with 9 colleagues and just say "split the check evenly 10 ways" regardless of what was ordered by each person, then that's socialism of the cost of the lunch. To that end, i would agree that people on the right use the term like a boogeyman when it's convenient for them to. They're referring to economic socialism but calling it just "socialism."

At that point, i'd just refer you to the above. I don't trust people who call themselves "democratic socialists" when they say they don't want to socialize America's economy. They rarely have seen regulations they don't like and tend to think that every problem can be solved by taxing people more and creating a government program for it. As said above, that's further government control of the economy. The more powerful and intrusive government gets, the more powerful and intrusive the government will want to get.

The Nordic countries have no homelessness and they are the happiest nations on Earth. Their people are healthy, educated and have a very long average life span. It seems to be working great for them.

Good for them. However, that's all due to culture, not socialism. Their average lifespan has moreso stagnated than lengthened since they embraced a welfare state compared to other countries. And i don't think their food marketplace has become as saturated with sugary processed foods like ours has, but that could possible be attributed to their education as well. Healthier lifestyle = less burden on the healthcare system.

Of course, all that ignores how small and homogeneous their populations are. The advent of such systems to a much larger, diverse and distributed population is a different animal entirely.

We've had a welfare state since pre-World War 1. I'm pretty sure our life expectancy has increased since then. I don't see how a homogeneous population gives a longer life expectancy? Food you do have a point. I've found that fresh fruit and vetch are prohibitively expensive in the US, at least for the lower incomes.Although I imagine it varies from state to state. We also have a very much cheaper healthcare system. The healthcare cost difference can be directly connected by the for profit health care system you guys have. Not exactly a pro unrestricted Capitalism argument.

 

[Rustic]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

How about the shrink down the government to the point where they can’t do such things?

 

[Mac1958]

I've seen Obamacare called "socialism".

Clearly the word means nothing at this point.

The Left has trivialized the term "racism", the Right has trivialized the term "socialism".

Great job, folks. Opposite sides of the same goofy coin.
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[Weatherman2020]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

You Leftards haven’t a clue as to what Socialism is, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Rustic]

I've seen Obamacare called "socialism".

Clearly the word means nothing at this point.

The Left has trivialized the term "racism", the Right has trivialized the term "socialism".

Great job, folks. Opposite sides of the same goofy coin.
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Kind a like racism means nothing anymore thanks to political correctness

 

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You can't just redefine a word because you don't want to argue the point. I live in an European country. What freedom you imagine you have that I don't?

You’re forced into a collective with socialism whether you want to or not… Fuck the collective

Sure that was an answer to something, just not what I asked. Name a freedom you have that I don't? I for sure can give a freedom I have that you don't. I can send my kid to any school I choose, we don't have any school districts. Your turn.

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

Yet you seem to be completely incapable of naming a single freedom you have that I don't, while I can immediately site a freedom that I have under my system that I have that you don't. Seems a bit odd doesn't it?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I've seen Obamacare called "socialism".

Clearly the word means nothing at this point.

The Left has trivialized the term "racism", the Right has trivialized the term "socialism".

Great job, folks. Opposite sides of the same goofy coin.
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You need to brush up on current events.

 

[Natural Citizen]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

And, as always, the people will love them for it. They call it growth. lol.

First they came for the homeowners so they could fund a foreign entity's robotics manufacturing...but I was not those homeowners...

 

[Brain357]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

How about the shrink down the government to the point where they can’t do such things?

Yes, it should have been tax cuts.

 

[Confounding]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

"A level of nuance in this conversation that we're not comfortable with."

 

[Some Guy]

Then why did the president of Denmark issue a statement directed almost squarely at Bernie saying "don't call us socialist."

It's just label confusion. If you understood Bernie's position you would know that he wants to emulate their Nordic capitalism. Suggesting otherwise just isn't true. It comes from a place of ignorance. I'm sure in all his time as a politician he has said something off here or there, but the fact of the matter remains that he advocates for emulating their countries. Go do some research dude. Compare his policies to their government. You won't find any difference.

Then why did he oppose the Trump tax cuts that brought our corporate tax level down toward about in line with theirs? You can say that all you want til you're blue in the face but it doesn't make it true. Putting your faith in politicians is never a good idea.

It's different but absolutely not impossible. America is a much bigger and wealthier nation. Suggesting it won't work because we have more people is ludicrous.

Much bigger for one. Much more spread out, with people who have vastly different ways of life. How would you feel about paying a disproportionate amount of your salary to pay for some fat ass ignorant Trumptard's quadruple bypass surgery cause all he eats is twinkies and posts on a dumbass internet forum all day? You shouldn't. That's where the "big" comes in. They're happy there because there's far fewer people in a much smaller area, they all think and live in much the same way comparatively. It's the exact opposite here.

And to say "well America is rich" as justification for it is to ignore what made us rich. We were the freest nation on earth. The first and only one to ever comprehensively codify individual liberty into our constitution, which sets the stage for innovation, which sets the stage for creating a lot of value out of comparatively little input. America is rich because of the conditions created here plus the natural resources we have. Saying "well we can afford it" is basically what everyone says to themselves when they maybe actually can't afford it but they REALLY want it anyway cause it'd be cool. If you can really afford it, then you don't even need to ask yourself if you can afford it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You can't just redefine a word because you don't want to argue the point. I live in an European country. What freedom you imagine you have that I don't?

You’re forced into a collective with socialism whether you want to or not… Fuck the collective

Sure that was an answer to something, just not what I asked. Name a freedom you have that I don't? I for sure can give a freedom I have that you don't. I can send my kid to any school I choose, we don't have any school districts. Your turn.

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

You win the prize.

And Socialism can’t work if freedom exists.

 

[Brain357]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

They're also confiscating a lot of private property and kicking people out of their homes to provide the land.

Kinda sounds like the community trying to control the means of production/ distribution... now what do we call that?

 

[Brain357]

What do you righties call giving billions of tax payer dollars to a foreign corporation to build a plant here?

You Leftards haven’t a clue as to what Socialism is, thanks for the reminder.

It seems you don’t. Not surprised.

 

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Democratic Socialists. Heh. Now there's a non sequitur.

It's almost as laughable as the frequent popularity of calling the Republic 'our Democracy'

Democratic socialists sound so similar to national Socialists... lol

Sure and America First could be taken directly from the NAZI's political program if you switch countries, your point?

 

[Rustic]

You’re forced into a collective with socialism whether you want to or not… Fuck the collective

Sure that was an answer to something, just not what I asked. Name a freedom you have that I don't? I for sure can give a freedom I have that you don't. I can send my kid to any school I choose, we don't have any school districts. Your turn.

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

Yet you seem to be completely incapable of naming a single freedom you have that I don't, while I can immediately site a freedom that I have under my system that I have that you don't. Seems a bit odd doesn't it?

Well, we have the right to free speech over here Europe does not have that right, we have a right to bear arms over here Europe does not...
And you do realize that rural America and urban America are like night and day, All of our violent crime in this country is in urban America all of our debt in this country is because of urban America... etc.

 

[Meathead]

Kinda sounds like the community trying to control the means of production/ distribution... now what do we call that?

Stupidity

 

[Confounding]

Hit a nerve?

Yes, because profound ignorance such as yours is a reminder why this conversation is ultimately a complete waste of time.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I've seen Obamacare called "socialism".

Clearly the word means nothing at this point.

The Left has trivialized the term "racism", the Right has trivialized the term "socialism".

Great job, folks. Opposite sides of the same goofy coin.
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It was the Left who coined this laughable “Democratic” Socialism title that’s a cure all economic model for paradise BS, get your facts straight.