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What's the OT?
OT would likely be an abbreviation for the Old Testament.
There is no such thing as an Old Testament. That is the Torah and the Tanach. The real titles were lost in translation thanks to some anti semites. I may not have your education, Chuck, but I know a lie when I see one. That book belongs to the Jews. Mike has every right to be absolutely livid!! I have apologised to him on your behalf and for my not having spoken up earlier. - Jeri
The Torah is complete.
However, no problem.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
According to your prophet, it isn't or won't be complete.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Yup, Moses was saying that after him there will be prophets.
There is no indication that revelation stopped.
All jewish law comes from the Torah. Prophets only prophesize. They don't add to law.
Deutereonomy
Chapter 13
1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it
Therefore, by supposedly adding to jewish law you are challenging G-D. He stated not to "add to it, nor subtract from it".
So you either pick the G-D that is in the Torah or your god. They are mutually exclusive.
You are my witness--the words of Hashem--and My servant, whom I have chosen, so that you will know and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before me nothing was created by a G-D, and after Me it shall not be (Isaiah 43:10)
... O Lord; no deeds can compare with Yours. All the nations You have made will come and worship before You, O Lord; they will bring glory to Your name. For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms, 86:8-10)
O Lord ...You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the Earth. You have made heaven and Earth. (Isaiah, 37:16)
... all kingdoms on Earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God. (Isaiah, 37:20)
...Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no god apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah, 45:21)
I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior. (Isaiah, 43:11)
Futhermore, by relying on any person or being, other than the one G-D, you are, once again challenging G-D, who said not to rely on anyone but him in any manner.
All salvation comes from the gone G-D, who is one.
There is no such thing as an Old Testament. That is the Torah and the Tanach. The real titles were lost in translation thanks to some anti semites. I may not have your education, Chuck, but I know a lie when I see one. That book belongs to the Jews. Mike has every right to be absolutely livid!! I have apologised to him on your behalf and for my not having spoken up earlier. - Jeri
Please don't apologize for me.
There is such a thing as the Old Testament.
Then I will not apologise for you and you can bear the consequences of offending a Jew and refusing to apologise to him. As for me, my apology stands and for the record - there is no such thing as the Old Testament.
The correct name for the first half of the bible is the Torah which you will note I did refer to it as such when this conversation began??? I said I think it is best to study the Torah with the Hebrew words. What did you think I was talking about, Chuck?
Why didn't you correct me back there if you thought I was calling it by the wrong name? You see, in your heart you know that the book is not called the Old Testament. You know this yet your pride will not permit you to admit you are wrong and this Jewish man is right. He is!
Here is a good saying and I try to keep it in mind, Chuck. When something is a lie? Even if the whole world agrees it is the truth it is still a lie. And when something is the truth? It is still the truth even if no one in the world agrees that it is the truth. We must stand with the truth ALL the time. Not just when it is convenient. Truth is truth. If we cannot stand for Truth now how will we stand for it in the day we must die for it?
- Jeri
Please don't apologize for me.
There is such a thing as the Old Testament.
Then I will not apologise for you and you can bear the consequences of offending a Jew and refusing to apologise to him. As for me, my apology stands and for the record - there is no such thing as the Old Testament.
The correct name for the first half of the bible is the Torah which you will note I did refer to it as such when this conversation began??? I said I think it is best to study the Torah with the Hebrew words. What did you think I was talking about, Chuck?
Why didn't you correct me back there if you thought I was calling it by the wrong name? You see, in your heart you know that the book is not called the Old Testament. You know this yet your pride will not permit you to admit you are wrong and this Jewish man is right. He is!
Here is a good saying and I try to keep it in mind, Chuck. When something is a lie? Even if the whole world agrees it is the truth it is still a lie. And when something is the truth? It is still the truth even if no one in the world agrees that it is the truth. We must stand with the truth ALL the time. Not just when it is convenient. Truth is truth. If we cannot stand for Truth now how will we stand for it in the day we must die for it?
- Jeri
Jeri,
I can't apologize for using the words "old covenant" when the Bible uses the word "New Testament". What is a testament? What is your Old Will and Testament? Apologizing for the Bible's use of words is equal to compromising the Christian faith or denying it. I won't do either.
I'm not going to try to offend people on purpose but I'm not going to change the truth in order to not offend someone.
And here it is in the Old Testament that God is a rock and offence to the Jewish people:
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
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It seems that your translations from the incorrect christian bible is wrong.
14. And it shall be for a portent and a stone upon which to dash oneself and for a rock upon which to stumble for the two houses of Israel, who came to be for a snare and a trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
It has to do with the plan that Shebna plotted and that Pekah plotted to overthrow the kingdom of the House of David, that is an omen for the disaster that is coming to befall Israel.
It appears that you don't care about the context of the passages.
No problem.
Accoding to Judaism the christian bible is incorrect so by not calling it the Incorrect/ Fictional christian bible would be denying my religion.
So you keep calling my Torah the "old testament" and I will calling your bible the Incorrect/Fictional christian bible in my discussions with you.
BTW the passages form the Incorrect/Fictional christian bible has no barring or authority in Judiasm.
I dont' want us to deny our faiths.
OT would likely be an abbreviation for the Old Testament.
There is no such thing as an Old Testament. That is the Torah and the Tanach. The real titles were lost in translation thanks to some anti semites. I may not have your education, Chuck, but I know a lie when I see one. That book belongs to the Jews. Mike has every right to be absolutely livid!! I have apologised to him on your behalf and for my not having spoken up earlier. - Jeri
Jeri is extremely intelligent. Yanno, what makes her so intelligent?
Unlike 99% of people she is ready to listen and learn. Very few people are willing to that these days.
She knows that she doesn't know the jewish bible better than the jews, just like jews don't know the christian bible better than christians.
Major super kudos Jeri.
It seems that your translations from the incorrect christian bible is wrong.
14. And it shall be for a portent and a stone upon which to dash oneself and for a rock upon which to stumble for the two houses of Israel, who came to be for a snare and a trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
It has to do with the plan that Shebna plotted and that Pekah plotted to overthrow the kingdom of the House of David, that is an omen for the disaster that is coming to befall Israel.
It appears that you don't care about the context of the passages.
No problem.
Accoding to Judaism the christian bible is incorrect so by not calling it the Incorrect/ Fictional christian bible would be denying my religion.
So you keep calling my Torah the "old testament" and I will calling your bible the Incorrect/Fictional christian bible in my discussions with you.
BTW the passages form the Incorrect/Fictional christian bible has no barring or authority in Judiasm.
I dont' want us to deny our faiths.
Mike,
During the flood all the land on earth was covered with water and all language except for what was scribbled on the walls in cave and on rocks like the Rosetta Stone were destroyed except for the Bible which was in the Ark.
That's impossible. The bible was given to the Jews thousands of years later during the time of Moses. There was no bible during the flood.
It is alleged that the Jews lost their language in the Babylonian captivity and there were two captivities which isn't a good record for disobeying God.
What?
I made friends with some Orthodox Jews who wanted to have some Christian friends and they invited me to their Rabbi's house. He didn't hold to the Bible being inerrant because he said that there are Rabbis on the radio pointing out hundreds of grammatical errors..
No orthodox rabbi would say that.
The Torah is perfect. There are no errors. Every word, sentence, and column, are perfect. It was given by G-D to the Jewish people.
I love the Jewish people. I'm not here to argue. I don't have time to argue.
Peace.
Chuck
Then respect my religion and I'll respect yours.
Calling my bible the Old Testament is offensive.
Please don't apologize for me.
There is such a thing as the Old Testament.
Then I will not apologise for you and you can bear the consequences of offending a Jew and refusing to apologise to him. As for me, my apology stands and for the record - there is no such thing as the Old Testament.
The correct name for the first half of the bible is the Torah which you will note I did refer to it as such when this conversation began??? I said I think it is best to study the Torah with the Hebrew words. What did you think I was talking about, Chuck?
Why didn't you correct me back there if you thought I was calling it by the wrong name? You see, in your heart you know that the book is not called the Old Testament. You know this yet your pride will not permit you to admit you are wrong and this Jewish man is right. He is!
Here is a good saying and I try to keep it in mind, Chuck. When something is a lie? Even if the whole world agrees it is the truth it is still a lie. And when something is the truth? It is still the truth even if no one in the world agrees that it is the truth. We must stand with the truth ALL the time. Not just when it is convenient. Truth is truth. If we cannot stand for Truth now how will we stand for it in the day we must die for it?
- Jeri
Jeri,
I can't apologize for using the words "old covenant" when the Bible uses the word "New Testament". What is a testament? What is your Old Will and Testament? Apologizing for the Bible's use of words is equal to compromising the Christian faith or denying it. I won't do either.
I'm not going to try to offend people on purpose but I'm not going to change the truth in order to not offend someone.
And here it is in the Old Testament that God is a rock and offence to the Jewish people:
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Chuck
Hebrews 9:16 ¶ For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Martin Luther didn't do this. It was bigger than Martin Luther...[/QUOTE
This is my final response on this, Chuck. Please examine your words here:
I can't apologize for using the words "old covenant" when the Bible uses the word "New Testament". What is a testament? What is your Old Will and Testament? Apologizing for the Bible's use of words is equal to compromising the Christian faith or denying it. I won't do either.
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Chuck,
You didn't use the word "covenant" or "old covenant" - you used the words "Old Testament". Show me in the scriptures where the actual words "Old Testament" are used, Chuck. I'd like to see book, chapter and verse.. You cannot do it. Because it isn't in there. It isn't in the Torah, the Tanach or the New Testament. When Jesus referred to the Prophets and the "Law of Moses" he never once used the term "Old Testament" neither did anyone else after him.
As you are a bible scholar perhaps you will discover who decided upon that title for the Torah and the Tanach. I'd like to know when you find out as now I am wondering about it. I know that Jesus referred to the Hebrew prophets and he referred to the "Law of Moses" - but he never once referred to an Old Testament so therein I am not denying my faith.
Furthermore, if you will read Zechariah 1: 8-17 you will see that all Israel shall be saved.
Tell me, Chuck, if you were a Jew who held fast to the Scriptures and did not want to deny your G-d who said, Hear O Israel The Lord thy G-d is One!
And you did not have any revelation from G-d that Jesus Christ was the Messiah the prophets spoke of.
Would G-d throw you away for that? No. He would reveal to you who the Messiah was knowning once He revealed it you'd leap for joy! G-d reveals who the Messiah is when He is ready to. That is His job. Not mine. There isn't a person on this board that hasn't heard me talking about Jesus.
Mike knows I believe Jesus is the Messiah. I know that Mike is awaiting his Messiah and that one day he will know who his Messiah is. I respect Mike here and now by respecting his faith of Judaism and devotion to G-d. G-d knows my heart. I'm not denying Him or his Word. That is all I have to say.
End of discussion.
-Jeri
Then I will not apologise for you and you can bear the consequences of offending a Jew and refusing to apologise to him. As for me, my apology stands and for the record - there is no such thing as the Old Testament.
The correct name for the first half of the bible is the Torah which you will note I did refer to it as such when this conversation began??? I said I think it is best to study the Torah with the Hebrew words. What did you think I was talking about, Chuck?
Why didn't you correct me back there if you thought I was calling it by the wrong name? You see, in your heart you know that the book is not called the Old Testament. You know this yet your pride will not permit you to admit you are wrong and this Jewish man is right. He is!
Here is a good saying and I try to keep it in mind, Chuck. When something is a lie? Even if the whole world agrees it is the truth it is still a lie. And when something is the truth? It is still the truth even if no one in the world agrees that it is the truth. We must stand with the truth ALL the time. Not just when it is convenient. Truth is truth. If we cannot stand for Truth now how will we stand for it in the day we must die for it?
- Jeri
Jeri,
I can't apologize for using the words "old covenant" when the Bible uses the word "New Testament". What is a testament? What is your Old Will and Testament? Apologizing for the Bible's use of words is equal to compromising the Christian faith or denying it. I won't do either.
I'm not going to try to offend people on purpose but I'm not going to change the truth in order to not offend someone.
And here it is in the Old Testament that God is a rock and offence to the Jewish people:
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Chuck
Hebrews 9:16 ¶ For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Martin Luther didn't do this. It was bigger than Martin Luther...[/QUOTE
This is my final response on this, Chuck. Please examine your words here:
I can't apologize for using the words "old covenant" when the Bible uses the word "New Testament". What is a testament? What is your Old Will and Testament? Apologizing for the Bible's use of words is equal to compromising the Christian faith or denying it. I won't do either.
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Chuck,
You didn't use the word "covenant" or "old covenant" - you used the words "Old Testament". Show me in the scriptures where the actual words "Old Testament" are used, Chuck. I'd like to see book, chapter and verse.. You cannot do it. Because it isn't in there. It isn't in the Torah, the Tanach or the New Testament. When Jesus referred to the Prophets and the "Law of Moses" he never once used the term "Old Testament" neither did anyone else after him.
As you are a bible scholar perhaps you will discover who decided upon that title for the Torah and the Tanach. I'd like to know when you find out as now I am wondering about it. I know that Jesus referred to the Hebrew prophets and he referred to the "Law of Moses" - but he never once referred to an Old Testament so therein I am not denying my faith.
Furthermore, if you will read Zechariah 1: 8-17 you will see that all Israel shall be saved.
Tell me, Chuck, if you were a Jew who held fast to the Scriptures and did not want to deny your G-d who said, Hear O Israel The Lord thy G-d is One!
And you did not have any revelation from G-d that Jesus Christ was the Messiah the prophets spoke of.
Would G-d throw you away for that? No. He would reveal to you who the Messiah was knowning once He revealed it you'd leap for joy! G-d reveals who the Messiah is when He is ready to. That is His job. Not mine. There isn't a person on this board that hasn't heard me talking about Jesus.
Mike knows I believe Jesus is the Messiah. I know that Mike is awaiting his Messiah and that one day he will know who his Messiah is. I respect Mike here and now by respecting his faith of Judaism and devotion to G-d. G-d knows my heart. I'm not denying Him or his Word. That is all I have to say.
End of discussion.
-Jeri
Does anyone know of any lesser known Bible translations or Bible translators where I could buy their translations?
About 12 years ago, a Bible college had used books with translations of the Bible by different translators. For some reason I didn't see the need then but I wish I had bought them. The Bible college has closed their bookstore and everyone buys their textbooks online.
I'm not talking about Bibles I could find in the CBD catalog, in Wallmart or Sam's Club.
I thought I would ask the Christians here and all the other Bible experts here to see what they know and if they can answer this.
The Torah is complete.
However, no problem.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
According to your prophet, it isn't or won't be complete.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
There is no indication that revelation stopped.
The Torah is complete.
However, no problem.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
According to your prophet, it isn't or won't be complete.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
There is no indication that revelation stopped.
The word 'chadesh' is mistranslated in the Jeremiah passage: it means 're-new', and what my prophet is talking about is the Covenant of Sinai - the same Covenant which YHVH declared is upheld by His Faithfulness, and not by ours.
The 'prophet like unto Moses' has not arrived yet: that likely refers to the MbD (Moschiach ben Dovid).
Now you can argue with me that you don't agree with the Jewish understanding - but your 'argument' above basically amounted to informing a Jew that the Jewish people don't know what the Torah says, or what we believe.
I'd be happy to discuss any of this in detail with you via PMs if you wish.
Oh, and properly speaking, anti-Judaism is not "racism" because we Jews are not really a 'race' any more. If you read the Torah , you will understand that we haven't been only 'Jacob's kids' since Sinai - which is actually when we became 'Jews', since it's all about the Sinai Covenant.....
The Torah is complete.
However, no problem.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
According to your prophet, it isn't or won't be complete.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
There is no indication that revelation stopped.
The 'prophet like unto Moses' has not arrived yet: that likely refers to the MbD (Moschiach ben Dovid).
One final thought for you, Marge! The Covenant Chuck refers to as the "Old Covenant" is in Exodus 24 of the Torah. That Covenant was ratified through Blood. The Blood of animals.
The New Covenant is ratified through Blood too! The Blood of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach which was the perfect sacrifice sent by G-d to shed his blood on Calvary's tree for the sins of the World. Not only his Jewish Brethren. You cannot see this yet but you will one day.
Surely, He has saved the best for last! How beautiful is that??! I hope I am still alive on the earth to see the day when the Jews will recognize their Messiah. I'm so looking forward to this day. It is the most beautiful love story I have ever heard in my life.
Much love, Jeri
Does anyone know of any lesser known Bible translations or Bible translators where I could buy their translations?
About 12 years ago, a Bible college had used books with translations of the Bible by different translators. For some reason I didn't see the need then but I wish I had bought them. The Bible college has closed their bookstore and everyone buys their textbooks online.
I'm not talking about Bibles I could find in the CBD catalog, in Wallmart or Sam's Club.
I thought I would ask the Christians here and all the other Bible experts here to see what they know and if they can answer this.
There is an electronic program that I used years ago called e-Sword that is an electronic version of the Bible with multiple different translations and it includes commentary (if you want it) and manuscripts written in Hebrew, Greek, etc. You can even search the entire Bible by say, a Hebrew word and it will pull up every incidence of it. Pretty neat reference tool.
Blue Letter Bible is a site that doesn't require any downloads that offers multiple Bible translations as well.
Hope this helps.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
According to your prophet, it isn't or won't be complete.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
There is no indication that revelation stopped.
The 'prophet like unto Moses' has not arrived yet: that likely refers to the MbD (Moschiach ben Dovid).
Yes! What you say is true, Marge! Some Christians may not know what the Jews believe but I most certainly do! I know you are awaiting this one! The Hebrew prophets spoke of this coming prophet in Daniel 11: 20 - 34! It is so exciting to see someone speak of this! I am glad I read it this morning!
This is the one who is going to try and deceive the Jews and the whole earth! However! When the abomination of desolation takes place - and he proclaims himself to be G-d in the Temple? The Jews shall reject him! Glory to G-d forevermore! THEN they shall cry out for their Messiah - the REAL ONE -----> Yeshua Ha'Mashiach ------> Jesus Christ is the Messiah - Yeshua shall come to them and rescue them!
In that day the words of the Hebrew prophets shall be fulfilled and ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED!
It is an incredible love story and is best depicted in the story of Joseph and his brothers. You remember the story!
Joseph's brothers were enraged when Joseph had a dream of his brothers bowing down and worshiping him! Ha! ha! They wanted to kill him! But they threw him in a well instead!
Later - MUCH LATER - there came a great famine upon the land - Jacobs sons went to Egypt to purchase food and who did they find in charge of the storehouse that held all the food? JOSEPH! Did they recognize him? No. ( which is a picture of how at present the Jew does not recognize Jesus as their Savior - Messiah - EITHER!!! ---->later they will )
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(Read this Genesis 42:7 And Joseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but he made himself strange ( a stranger - unrecongizable ) to them.... <-----that is what Jesus has done with the Jews for just a season so that the Gentiles may come in & become grafted into the household of Abraham )
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And then? Then at the perfect moment - Joseph reveals himself to his brothers see this for the picture! Genesis 45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. and they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt. Now therefore be not grieved nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither, for G-d did sent me before you to PRESERVE YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!! What a wonderful G-d!
Verse 7 same chapter: And G-d sent me before you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance!! ( its coming beloved! It is surely coming! )
Then he sends them to go get his father, Jacob!
and here is a most joyful scene! This is the first story I ever read after accepting the Messiah as my Savior!
........and invites them to dine at the Kings Table ( a picture of the wedding banquet which Jesus has prepared ) and they dine with him! Oh! How Josephs brothers must have wept over him, rejoicing! I can only imagine that scene, Marge. I can only imagine the overwhelming emotion in that moment! How Joseph showered them with gifts, his love, his acceptance, his FORGIVENESS!!!
Yes, the Spirit of the Living G-d will one day reveal to you that every single book in the Torah, Tanach and New Testament is a 2000 year old arrow---------------------> pointing towards the One True Messiah, Yeshua Ha'Maschiah! JESUS CHRIST!
As it is written! Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! Oh! Glory! I know the day is coming!
My precious, much loved Jewish brethren cannot see this now as G-d has placed a veil over their eyes so that they cannot see and so that others maybe be grafted in to the family of G-d. But one day they will. They surely will. I see the end result as if it has already happened and already rejoice over all of you as my brothers and sisters. I am ever so grateful for you and for my Jewish Messiah who did come through the root of David. I love you all. Amen and AMEN!
- Jeri
