Can Atheists be Moral?

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Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

I'm very late in this dance, but I am atheist. But I am very moral. I need no reason to be moral, I just am.

Evolutionist theory would say that every species should be moral, unless they lay millions of eggs. Morality is being nice to your own species so you can survive.

A species that kills their own, unless they lay thousands of eggs, will not survive for the long run.

Being "good" is an evolutionary trait, not a religious one.

There are many examples of animals that aren't "moral", but those are one-off and rare, like humans. Most animals respect this "moral code". Because that is the basis of surviving.

So in effect you are saying that nature has selected the behaviors which lead to success which it has.

In other words morals or the behaviors which lead to success can’t be anything we want them to be because the standards of successful behaviors are independent of man. They exist in and of themselves which they do.

No, you did that. Morals and behaviors are evolutionary traits.

So you are saying nature selected virtue as a successful behavior because it offers a functional advantage? I agree.

I agree too. Species that kill each other for no reason, will not survive very long. It is vital to have a sense of virtue, which all mammals do. Except religious fanatics.

So religion defies natural selection?

 

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God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

 

[sealybobo]

God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians. Look at how New England Christians are treating kraft after it was found out he participates in human trafficking. Compare that to the outrage of Michael Vick for dog fighting or ray rice for punching that woman in the elevator. Is forcing a woman to suck dicks for money better than one punch to the face?

Should kraft be forced to sell the team?

 

[ding]

God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians. Look at how New England Christians are treating kraft after it was found out he participates in human trafficking. Compare that to the outrage of Michael Vick for dog fighting or ray rice for punching that woman in the elevator. Is forcing a woman to suck dicks for money better than one punch to the face?

Should kraft be forced to sell the team?

No. Humans are subjective. Morals are standards. Standards exist for reasons. When you deviate from the standard the reasons make themselves known through predictable surprises.

 

[cnm]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

 

[danielpalos]

women are welcome to be my witness regarding my full body massage skills.

 

[sealybobo]

God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians. Look at how New England Christians are treating kraft after it was found out he participates in human trafficking. Compare that to the outrage of Michael Vick for dog fighting or ray rice for punching that woman in the elevator. Is forcing a woman to suck dicks for money better than one punch to the face?

Should kraft be forced to sell the team?

No. Humans are subjective. Morals are standards. Standards exist for reasons. When you deviate from the standard the reasons make themselves known through predictable surprises.

Is it ok for you to go have another woman give you a full body massage? Is it ok that your wife have a man give her a full body massage? Then your morals have loosened in 100 years. No man 100 years ago would think it’s ok for another man to give his wife a full body massage even if he was a professional.

A Muslim man today would think it completely immoral.

You’re a more liberal moral person.

 

[sealybobo]

Look at our morals regarding women’s bathing suits.

People don’t get how long it takes for morals to change. Like evolution you don’t even notice the mutations. They happen slowly over generations and generations.

 

[sealybobo]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

In just a couple generations we now realize two men or two women loving each Is completely moral.

 

[ding]

God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians. Look at how New England Christians are treating kraft after it was found out he participates in human trafficking. Compare that to the outrage of Michael Vick for dog fighting or ray rice for punching that woman in the elevator. Is forcing a woman to suck dicks for money better than one punch to the face?

Should kraft be forced to sell the team?

No. Humans are subjective. Morals are standards. Standards exist for reasons. When you deviate from the standard the reasons make themselves known through predictable surprises.

Is it ok for you to go have another woman give you a full body massage? Is it ok that your wife have a man give her a full body massage? Then your morals have loosened in 100 years. No man 100 years ago would think it’s ok for another man to give his wife a full body massage even if he was a professional.

A Muslim man today would think it completely immoral.

You’re a more liberal moral person.

Not me. I'm old fashioned that way.

 

[ding]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

In just a couple generations we now realize two men or two women loving each Is completely moral.

There's never been a socialist movement without a free love movement so I wouldn't be surprised by anything man does.

 

[sealybobo]

God, is actually the Devil, you know...

It was reversed from ancient texts. EN.KI was our lord per Sumerian texts (his symbol was two intertwined snakes). But he was miscast as the serpent in the OT. If we had just followed the original shit, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Because of religions, EN.KI, our creator and savior, became the symbol of evil.

And EN.LIL, the guy who really hated us and smited us, became the "good god".

So you are saying we are following the wrong religion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians. Look at how New England Christians are treating kraft after it was found out he participates in human trafficking. Compare that to the outrage of Michael Vick for dog fighting or ray rice for punching that woman in the elevator. Is forcing a woman to suck dicks for money better than one punch to the face?

Should kraft be forced to sell the team?

No. Humans are subjective. Morals are standards. Standards exist for reasons. When you deviate from the standard the reasons make themselves known through predictable surprises.

Is it ok for you to go have another woman give you a full body massage? Is it ok that your wife have a man give her a full body massage? Then your morals have loosened in 100 years. No man 100 years ago would think it’s ok for another man to give his wife a full body massage even if he was a professional.

A Muslim man today would think it completely immoral.

You’re a more liberal moral person.

Not me. I'm old fashioned that way.

Not the point. Did you get the point? Seems morality evolves

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not me. I'm old fashioned that way.

Haha, yeah, like a faith healer, or an alchemist.

 

[sealybobo]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

In just a couple generations we now realize two men or two women loving each Is completely moral.

There's never been a socialist movement without a free love movement so I wouldn't be surprised by anything man does.

Point is we are right now but wrong just a couple generations ago regarding two men loving each other.

Turns out it is very moral.

 

[sealybobo]

Not me. I'm old fashioned that way.

Haha, yeah, like a faith healer, or an alchemist.

This seems like one of those times where I have demonstrated that morality is subjective and all ding could come back with was that?

I consider that a win

 

[Lumpy 1]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

In just a couple generations we now realize two men or two women loving each Is completely moral.

Nope, unnatural behavior will never be accepted as moral but eh, less people will be moral but convince themselves that they are or simply not give a damn.
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[Fort Fun Indiana]

and all ding could come back with was that?

i.e., an implicit admission that it is subjective, in that he subjectively chooses it. But don't tell ding that! No sir, he will proudly claim divine authority as the reason his morality on this is from the only true, complete, objective, universal list.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

unnatural behavior will never be accepted as moral

Like, flying a plane? Eating hot dogs? Birth control?

 

[sealybobo]

Morality seems to be subjective among Christians.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

In just a couple generations we now realize two men or two women loving each Is completely moral.

Nope, unnatural behavior will never be accepted as moral but eh, less people will be moral but convince themselves that they are or simply not give a damn.
.

Is it immoral for a man to play with his wife’s butt?

 

[Lumpy 1]

unnatural behavior will never be accepted as moral

Like, flying a plane? Eating hot dogs? Birth control?

Eh, you could care less what I think about it and that's just fine with me...
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