Can Gun Nuts Please Stop Saying You Need Guns to Protect Yourself From A Potential Tyrannical Government!!!

[Soupnazi630]

As you can see, even Milton Friedman was for handing people checks. Anyone can search for "UBI Universal Basic Income Billionaires" on YouTube and get several billionaires pushing it. Communists are against UBI, we don't need it. We can produce everything we need and meet society's needs without money, especially today with all of the technology we have available. The future is communist, not capitalist.

Wrong billionaires do not want it socialists dol.

We cannot produce anything without money dumbass. The future is capitaliusm. Communism is proven historic failure

 

[Soupnazi630]

Capitalism is tyranny at every level so of course, it continues to exist even though it's obsolete. The future is communism, by default. Technology reduces wage-labor and eventually eliminates it, requiring socialized production. Producing everything with technology to meet our needs, not for profit.

Capitalism is the opposite of tyranny. Communims is tyranny by design and always fails. Technology increases the need for labor.

 

[Soupnazi630]

But yet you haven't backed anything you've said so far with any sources. Just your own conjured-up capitalist rhetoric is what you have to offer.

You are projecting.

everything said by me he and is backed up by fact your claims are not.

 

[berg80]

So how come Ukrainian citizens using personal firearms against Russians is admirable, but Americans wanting to be able to do the same thing makes us sound unhinged?

Because it does. It's a little boy's fantasy to think you will need to play the role of a hero fighting off a foreign invader in these United States.

 

[berg80]

Technology increases the need for labor.

The opposite is true. Think automation, robotic manufacturing equipment, even down to the electronic transfer of documents.

 

[2aguy]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

Yeah.....just ask the Germans, and the Europeans from the 1930s...you know....when they had modern science, political institutions, religious institutions, the rule of law....but then went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children...

Then you could ask the 25 million Russians murdered by their government in the 20s and 30s going forward,

Or the 70 million Chinese murdered.....or the Cambodians.....or the Tutsis murdered by their government in Rwanda........

or the current genocide against the Chinese muslims by their government........

Yeah.......what does human nature and human history have to do with our understanding of the need to own and carry guns...

You really are a dumb human being...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yes, the Founding Slave Rapists saved us from the horrors of being Canadians!!!

The reality is, the Founders used WELL REGULATED MILITIAS, not angry mobs with guns.

The Founders didn't beleive in Angry Mobs with Guns, any more than they believed in angry mobs voting.

The Second and Third Amendments were about defining militias, but their original meaning has been lost today, as armed mobs face off against militarized police departments.

LMAO! Wow. All I can do is laugh at you.

 

[berg80]

Yeah.....just ask the Germans, and the Europeans from the 1930s...you know....when they had modern science, political institutions, religious institutions, the rule of law....but then went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children...

Then you could ask the 25 million Russians murdered by their government in the 20s and 30s going forward,

Or the 70 million Chinese murdered.....or the Cambodians.....or the Tutsis murdered by their government in Rwanda........

or the current genocide against the Chinese muslims by their government........

Yeah.......what does human nature and human history have to do with our understanding of the need to own and carry guns...

You really are a dumb human being...

Fatuous analogies. You've watched Red Dawn too many times.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

 

[Independent thinker]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

LOL. And yet the Capitol police were so overwhelmed.

 

[JoeB131]

Well let's see...Mao killed about 40 million Chinese and Stalin killed about 20 million Soviet citizens. Then there was Pol Pot who killed another 2 million Cambodians. That's not even counting the people killed by Communists in North Korea, North Vietnam and Cuba! The Nazis were responsible for about 20 million deaths. You do the math!

Communism has NEVER been an effective economic system!

The 1950's called, they want their BIrcher Talking points back.

The only way you get to these crazy numbers is if you count every famine that happened in these countries... Which is fine, then you have to count all the Native Americans, Indigenous Australians, Indians and Congolese who died in the Capitalist/Imperialist mismanagement of those countries.

 

[Burgermeister]

 

[westwall]

Malarkey for those who lack reading comprehension skills.

My comprehension is fine. It is you who can't seem to grasp the difference between fact and fiction.

 

[Red Front]

Either you or your grandchildren are going to become communists, out of necessity, in the near future.

NO WAGE LABOR = NO PAYING CONSUMERS = NO CAPITALISM

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Automated Systems, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Self-Driving Vehicles, Nanotech, Super-Micro Computing..etc, is going to replace 70% of all paid jobs (waged work), within the next thirty years. Before that occurs, there will be tens of millions of Americans unemployed. This is why the billionaires are talking about giving everyone a UBI ("Universal Basic Income"):

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We don't want UBI, they can keep it. Communism is the answer, not UBI. Billionaires aren't the only ones that can work for meaning. That's a human trait, not just a trait hardworking wealthy people have. We will all continue to work, but we will work to contribute to society and make the world what we want it to become. Much of that work might consist of supervising and monitoring the system. We will also engage more in our hobbies, art, exploration, social activities..etc.

Welcome to the new world comrades.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Either you or your grandchildren are going to become communists, out of necessity, in the near future.

NO WAGE LABOR = NO PAYING CONSUMERS = NO CAPITALISM

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Automated Systems, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Self-Driving Vehicles, Nanotech, Super-Micro Computing..etc, is going to replace 70% of all paid jobs (waged work), within the next thirty years. Before that occurs, there will be tens of millions of Americans unemployed. This is why the billionaires are talking about giving everyone a UBI ("Universal Basic Income"):

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Listen, if people don't have jobs, it is a very poor investment to go to robotics and AI, because there will be no consumers. You've been lied to about the need for UBI.

 

[sartre play]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

The most radical changes have been coming from the right side of the isle. There is nothing that is showing that the most radical side of the left wing is picking up much energy.

 

[Red Front]

Listen, if people don't have jobs, it is a very poor investment to go to robotics and AI, because there will be no consumers. You've been lied to about the need for UBI.

We will always consume. What won't exist are paying consumers. Consumers will always exist, as long as we are living in the physical world.

 

[bripat9643]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

Complete bullshit.

 

[Red Front]

The most radical changes have been coming from the right side of the isle. There is nothing that is showing that the most radical side of the left wing is picking up much energy.

All of Latin America is becoming leftist. More, economic conditions here in the USA are going to force us all to adopt communist production, whether we like it or not.

Technology will make production so efficient that if capitalists don't replace wage-labor with a more effective alternative they will be forced out of business. Their competitors will produce and deliver everything cheaper, and faster employing modern technology, forcing them to adopt the same mode of production as their competitors. As more capitalists replace wage-labor with technology, the market shrinks because of unemployment.

This is one of the main contradictions of capitalism. Capitalists want to reduce overhead, and the greatest expense they have is human labor. They're always trying to reduce or eliminate their need for human labor, hence technology is always used by capitalists to accomplish that. The result of replacing human labor with technology is unemployment and that reduces the market because paying consumers need a wage to purchase the products from the capitalists. See the cycle? The capitalists reduce overhead by eliminating jobs, which shrinks the market because there are fewer paying consumers buying products from the capitalists that fired them. Billionaires like Elon Musk and others see the writing on the wall for capitalism because of modern technology