Can Gun Nuts Please Stop Saying You Need Guns to Protect Yourself From A Potential Tyrannical Government!!!

[Dagosa]

Let's review, shall we? This is where it started:

I said -

You said -

"I want a military to follow orders."

What did you mean OTHER than you wanted the president to have personal control of the military? Because what you're arguing now contradicts what you said there.

Hey, join up and you’ll see. A soldier doesn’t take actionable orders from a president. He takes them from his immediate commander and NCOIC.

 

[Dagosa]

Do you want the military to just "follow orders" or do you want them to have the freedom to refuse orders that violate the Constitution or are illegal?

Ha ha
Do you need a course on the UCMJ and the chain of command and their responsibilities ? Sounds like it.
A military can’t function by disobeying orders. You carry them out…..orders are given through a chain of command and are modified from general mission orders to actionable orders at the performance level.
You‘ve watch “ a few good men” way too many times.

 

[GHook20]

Tell that to Ukrainians whose government issued them fully automatic rifles to protect themselves from a tyrannical government (Russia).

What any of the YouTube documentaries it is not light guns but sophisticated western weapons that tipped

Tell that to Ukrainians whose government issued them fully automatic rifles to protect themselves from a tyrannical government (Russia).

Watch any of the YouTube documentaries and it is less the small arms and more of the sophisticated western weapons like the AGTMs.

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If they didn’t get western sophisticated weapons then the war would have been different… thank god

 

[GHook20]

Make them stop saying it commie.

Lol OK internet tough guy

 

[Pete7469]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

Fuck you.

 

[miketx]

Lol OK internet tough guy

Classic howler monkey babble.

 

[hadit]

Hey, join up and you’ll see. A soldier doesn’t take actionable orders from a president. He takes them from his immediate commander and NCOIC.

And in your fantasy where the military just blindly obeys orders, the president could order troop deployed to a state or city he disfavored and the order would get passed down the line, unchallenged and unquestioned. That's the point.

 

[hadit]

Ha ha
Do you need a course on the UCMJ and the chain of command and their responsibilities ? Sounds like it.
A military can’t function by disobeying orders. You carry them out…..orders are given through a chain of command and are modified from general mission orders to actionable orders at the performance level.
You‘ve watch “ a few good men” way too many times.

And in your fantasy the president's orders would simply be fulfilled without question. The only input would be implementation details. That's the point.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You have guns ? Not impressed.

Nor should you be!

 

[Dagosa]

And in your fantasy where the military just blindly obeys orders,

Blindly no, obey yes. You’re really trying to make believe you know what you’re talking about…..it’s not working.

 

[Dagosa]

And again you dance around the point. Do you want the military to just "follow orders" or do you want them to have the freedom to refuse orders that violate the Constitution or are illegal?

You really know nothing about “following orders” down the chain of command do you.

 

[Dagosa]

Nor should you be!

I’m not impressed that you have them because you like things that go bang. One of the more unimpressive reasons to own a firearm.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I’m not impressed that you have them because you like things that go bang. One of the more unimpressive reasons to own a firearm.

That sounds like a you problem. I also like knocking over steel plates, Texas stars and Polish stars.

 

[Dagosa]

That sounds like a you problem. I also like knocking over steel plates, Texas stars and Polish stars.

Still unimpressed.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Still unimpressed.

Nor should you be.

 

[Dagosa]

And in your fantasy the president's orders would simply be fulfilled without question.

More made up shit.

 

[hadit]

Blindly no, obey yes. You’re really trying to make believe you know what you’re talking about…..it’s not working.

Just working with what you say.

 

[hadit]

More made up shit.

Okay, so you really didn't mean it then. Good to know.

 

[hadit]

I’m not impressed that you have them because you like things that go bang. One of the more unimpressive reasons to own a firearm.

And that's the beauty of the second amendment, you don't have to have a reason to own a gun beyond, well, simply wanting to have one.

 

[Dagosa]

And that's the beauty of the second amendment, you don't have to have a reason to own a gun beyond, well, simply wanting to have one.

That’s wrong. Simply wanting one is NOT SUPPORTED BY THE CONSTITUTION. The 2@ refers to the rights of the PEOPLE, not persons. We the people have a right to arm ourselves with nukes and another arm we deem necessary. That doesn’t mean any person can arm themselves with any arm, anywhere. I’m backed up by every decision by the SC regarding firearms and their regulations. Only qualified PERSONS can be armed….read Heller. It SUPPORTS REGULATION and no, anyone can’t possess a firearm simply because they want one.