Can Reps modify abortion stance?

[JoeB131]

And after 40 years of legal abortion, where no woman of child bearing years remembers it being any other way, you are not going to swoop in and make it illegal. It just ain't gonna happen.

It's not a matter of 'swooping in and making it illegal,' dope. It's a matter of returning it to the states where it belongs. I doubt even one state would make it 'illegal' under any circumstance.

I don't trust the idiots in Springfield to run the tollways properly, much less decide who gets to have an abortion... I'm not sure why you would, either.

Oh. Right. The Misogyny. YOu really need to see someone about that.

 

[koshergrl]

Never use "koshergrl" and "sanity" together.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

NO, they aren't.

It isn't a person until It can survive independenly outside someone else's body.

Until then, It is a growth... and if that body wants it out, it's going out. Period.

It's sad to see weak and misguided fools like you who have been trained to hold human life itself in contempt because it gets in the way of nihilistic political posturing.

Have you ever asked yourself, why it is that in the 40 years since Roe, with Republicans making 8 of the 12 SCOTUS appointment since then, that they've never overturned Roe?

Because the GOP doesn't want to overturn it anymore than I do.

Roe was decided by Republicans (Most of the court in 1973 was appointed by Nixon and Ike) and upheld by Republicans (Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter) .

And for the record, I went through the Catholic School Indoctrination system, where they spent YEARS telling me how wrong abortion was and showed the same tired ass pictures of aborted fetuses and they really did their level best to brainwash me on the issue.

Until I finally figured out... they don't care nearly as much as you do.

YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR A RUBE!!!!

They don't care about banning abortion. They care about keeping stupid people like you voting for Free Trade and weakened worker's rights and stuff that probably make more people pick abortion when confronted with that choice.

Another argument you won't be able to reason through, I'm sure.

and the reason for "choice" is to get the other side all worked up for socialism....? damn rubes...

 

[JoeB131]

Not a fan of Jake, but frankly, he comes off a lot more rational than you do most of the time.

 

[koshergrl]

joe, you're the crazy one here, I'm afraid. Nice posters, btw...



This pro-abortion poster says: "60,000 Reichsmarks is what this person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community during his lifetime. Fellow German, that is your money, too". It's the way they promoted the use of abortion among despised communities.

Actually, abortion was illegal in Germany under the Nazis. In fact, they gave out the death penalty for performing an abortion on an "Aryan" woman. Penalties for having abortions or performing them were increased from the Weimar Law...

Gloria Steinem: The Nazi Connection

A return to a strong family life, women's primary identity as mothers, tax penalties for remaining single, loans for young married couples and subsidies for childbearing, prohibition of prostitution and homosexuality, contraception, and abortion: all these were issues that the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic Center Party, and the Nazi Party could agree on. And once Hitler came to power, popularly elected in part by the patriarchal backlash against feminist successes, he delivered on his promise to restore male supremacy....

Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.

No, they used abortion against people they considered subhuman/without value.

"Very little abortion should be tolerated, among our White race, while at the same time, abortion and birth control should be promoted as a powerful weapon, in the limitation of non-White birth. Over support of both non-White population and non-support of abortion for Whites, has the same desired effect.***
"Covertly [secretly] invest into non-White areas, invest in ghetto abortion clincs. Help to raise money for free abortions, in primarily non-White areas. Perhaps abortion clinic syndicates thoughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted." (What We Believe As White Racists, p.2 online) http://www.afgen.com/popula14.html

BTW, Gloria Steinhem is a great choice, lol. The mother of babykilling in the US, gotta love her. Margaret Sanger acolyte and all that.

 

[JoeB131]

and the reason for "choice" is to get the other side all worked up for socialism....? damn rubes...

Eeeeek, socialism.

The sad thing is, you probably believe that.

Rube.

 

[JoeB131]

No, they used abortion against people they considered subhuman/without value.

"Very little abortion should be tolerated, among our White race, while at the same time, abortion and birth control should be promoted as a powerful weapon, in the limitation of non-White birth. Over support of both non-White population and non-support of abortion for Whites, has the same desired effect.***
"Covertly [secretly] invest into non-White areas, invest in ghetto abortion clincs. Help to raise money for free abortions, in primarily non-White areas. Perhaps abortion clinic syndicates thoughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted." (What We Believe As White Racists, p.2 online)

Nice thread without a link.

Since everyone in Germany was "white" at the time, I think this quote has little to do wit Germany.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

and the reason for "choice" is to get the other side all worked up for socialism....? damn rubes...

Eeeeek, socialism.

The sad thing is, you probably believe that.

Rube.

just wait until you get a good taste of Obamacare-flavored socialized medicine....you'll be "eeeeking" for real....lefty rube...

 

[JoeB131]

and the reason for "choice" is to get the other side all worked up for socialism....? damn rubes...

Eeeeek, socialism.

The sad thing is, you probably believe that.

Rube.

just wait until you get a good taste of Obamacare-flavored socialized medicine....you'll be "eeeeking" for real....lefty rube...

ObamaCare wouldn't even effect me, as I have private insurance through an employer...

Of course, I'd rather have single payer health insurance...

 

[koshergrl]

No, they used abortion against people they considered subhuman/without value.

"Very little abortion should be tolerated, among our White race, while at the same time, abortion and birth control should be promoted as a powerful weapon, in the limitation of non-White birth. Over support of both non-White population and non-support of abortion for Whites, has the same desired effect.***
"Covertly [secretly] invest into non-White areas, invest in ghetto abortion clincs. Help to raise money for free abortions, in primarily non-White areas. Perhaps abortion clinic syndicates thoughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted." (What We Believe As White Racists, p.2 online)

Nice thread without a link.

Since everyone in Germany was "white" at the time, I think this quote has little to do wit Germany.

I provided the link. It's about convincing Poles to kill off their babies, and eliminating other races by planting abortion clinics in ghettos.

Sound familiar?

Planting abortion clinics in Ethiopia, yippee!
Ethiopia on International Women's Day - Marie Stopes International

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Eeeeek, socialism.

The sad thing is, you probably believe that.

Rube.

just wait until you get a good taste of Obamacare-flavored socialized medicine....you'll be "eeeeking" for real....lefty rube...

ObamaCare wouldn't even effect me, as I have private insurance through an employer...

Of course, I'd rather have single payer health insurance...

of course you would......lefty....

just wait awhile....your employer may eventually drop your private insurance.....

and with Obamacare you'll get your abortions for free......state-controlled murder.....

 

[JoeB131]

just wait until you get a good taste of Obamacare-flavored socialized medicine....you'll be "eeeeking" for real....lefty rube...

ObamaCare wouldn't even effect me, as I have private insurance through an employer...

Of course, I'd rather have single payer health insurance...

of course you would......lefty....

just wait awhile....your employer may eventually drop your private insurance.....

and with Obamacare you'll get your abortions for free......state-controlled murder.....

Private Employers would probably have dropped insurance regardless... This is the problem. With big corporations making a killing, medical costs rise at three times the rate of inflation.

Now, short of having a single payer dicate prices on costs to provide, Obamacare is a patch that big pharma and big insurance went along with.

 

[JoeB131]

No, they used abortion against people they considered subhuman/without value.

"Very little abortion should be tolerated, among our White race, while at the same time, abortion and birth control should be promoted as a powerful weapon, in the limitation of non-White birth. Over support of both non-White population and non-support of abortion for Whites, has the same desired effect.***
"Covertly [secretly] invest into non-White areas, invest in ghetto abortion clincs. Help to raise money for free abortions, in primarily non-White areas. Perhaps abortion clinic syndicates thoughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted." (What We Believe As White Racists, p.2 online)

Nice thread without a link.

Since everyone in Germany was "white" at the time, I think this quote has little to do wit Germany.

I provided the link. It's about convincing Poles to kill off their babies, and eliminating other races by planting abortion clinics in ghettos.

Sound familiar?

Planting abortion clinics in Ethiopia, yippee!
Ethiopia on International Women's Day - Marie Stopes International

Except your link was to the website of Tom Metzger, a contemporary AMERICAN Nazi... Not what German policies were in 1933...

Again, the Germans made abortion illegal in Germany. In fact, the Germans got as close to banning abortion effectively as you can get.

 

[koshergrl]

They're the same policies.

But continue to support them anyway, I like it when you expose yourself.

Hitlers 1942 policy statement regarding Slavic abortion:

""In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

What was your stance on abortion again?

You may cut and paste the above, it will save you time. Substitute whatever term you'd like for "slavic".

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-23.pdf

"The programs of mass murder began when physicians

decided that human life was of differential value; when​

race became a metaphor for disease."


In your case, the unborn and the poor are a metaphor for disease, which is even more heinous than what the Nazis proposed. At least they thought that some human life had value, even if it was a limited type of human.

Most pro-abortionists today claim no human life has value except that which is granted it by its mother...and if she doesn't then nobody else should. Whereas the Nazis sought only to exterminate certain races/religions/groups, most pro-abortionists today would like to see ALL of mankind removed from the earth...or at least the numbers radically reduced.

 

[JoeB131]

They're the same policies.

But continue to support them anyway, I like it when you expose yourself.

Hitlers 1942 policy statement regarding Slavic abortion:

""In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

What was your stance on abortion again?

You may cut and paste the above, it will save you time. Substitute whatever term you'd like for "slavic".

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-23.pdf

Another whacky anti-abortion website?

You and the Nazis are on the same page. You both think a woman's lady parts should be property of the state. YOu just differ on how it should be managed.

I think the ONLY person who should decide what a woman should do with her body is the woman. What a radical concept, I know.

 

[koshergrl]

They're the same policies.

But continue to support them anyway, I like it when you expose yourself.

Hitlers 1942 policy statement regarding Slavic abortion:

""In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

What was your stance on abortion again?

You may cut and paste the above, it will save you time. Substitute whatever term you'd like for "slavic".

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-23.pdf

Another whacky anti-abortion website?

No, lying propagandist. That is taken from the Israeli Medical Association Journal. As you know.

Written by:

Tessa Chelouche​

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MD
Clalit Health Services, Shomron District, Israel
Affiliated to Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Ramat Aviv, Israel
Program for the Study of Medicine and the Holocaust, Rappaport Faculty of Medicine, Technion-Israel Institute of Technology; and​

Department for Healthcare, Ethics and the Holocaust, International Center for Health, Law and Ethics, Haifa University, Israel

 

[koshergrl]

Nazis were all about managing breeding, commie eugenecist.

 

[JoeB131]

They're the same policies.

But continue to support them anyway, I like it when you expose yourself.

Hitlers 1942 policy statement regarding Slavic abortion:

""In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

What was your stance on abortion again?

You may cut and paste the above, it will save you time. Substitute whatever term you'd like for "slavic".

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-23.pdf

Another whacky anti-abortion website?

No, lying propagandist. That is taken from the Israeli Medical Association Journal. As you know.
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Oh, Israel? There's an unbiased source.

 

[koshergrl]

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To most of those physicians, perpetrators and victims alike, the
icon of evil did not present itself as a whole. It happened an
hour at a time, a patient at a time and a decision at a time. The
decisions and actions were undertaken by ordinary individuals, by
ordinary doctors. There is wisdom in Hannah Arendt’s description​

of the Holocaust in terms of the “banality of evil”

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-23.pdf

 

[USwings]

Thhe fact that you people are hung up on abortion is ludicrous, it is a 50/50 issue and does not decide elections.

Oh yeah, the war on woman, No need to address that, it's all about the economy.

Overall, 48% of registered voters describe themselves as "pro-choice" with respect to abortion and 45% as "pro-life,"

Nov 3, 2012 – Women comprise more than half of the U.S. electorate, and in presidential elections, about 7 percent more women vote than men.

According to CNN's exit polls , 55 percent of women voted for Obama, while only 44 percent voted for Mitt Romney.

If you have a 7% higher percentage of woman voting than men, and of the woman, you have 11% less of the votes, you can book your vacation.

Obama had a 58,720,700 (50.1%) to 56,145,950 (48.4%) lead on Mitt Romney for the popular vote.

Of course abortion is an issue, and Dems were all to happy to exploit Reps weakness on it. You do know that judges on the Supreme Court will be retiring, and now President Obama will pick the new justices. You say ludicrous?

One must consider all angles, the most important one here is turn out...I am astonshed that our base did not turn out...I did not see that coming.

That's true, this is just one piece of the puzzle. 3 million Reps stayed home, and that's another discussion. Frankly it was major screw up to not have our intentions on abortion clearly stated, allowing Dems to accuse us of wanting to outlaw it. Reps are stuck in the mud on this issue. Reps need to fix it if they want to compete in a presidential election.