Can socialists in this country explain how taxing American corporations/companies more is good?

[sakinago]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

 

[francoHFW]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

No, it shows your obsession with Fed income tax is brainwashed idiocy. Why do you think the nonrich and the country are going to hell since Reagan?

 

[francoHFW]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

Read this and think, dupe.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Kondor3]

They won't leave...

The US can make departure or off-shoring cost-prohibitive...

Staying (and paying the tax increase) would be much cheaper than leaving...

As well as Nationalizing any security-critical firm that might attempt such a stunt...

Plenty of ways to get 'radical' with these Corporatists without killing the goose that laid the golden egg...

Yep, because that's exactly why our founders allowed for a tax system: to tax people into submission.

Not People... Corporations... and the Corporatists have been raping America long enough, so... phukk 'em.

 

[sakinago]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

No, it shows your obsession with Fed income tax is brainwashed idiocy. Why do you think the nonrich and the country are going to hell since Reagan?

So thinking what was supposed to a be strictly only a wartime tax, a wartime tax is idiocy? So the government lied to the people for the greater good bc the ends justify the means? That we should live by the principles of do the greatest good for the majority over the minority? Would you not admit that our policies have been more and more progressive since Reagan? Was bush senior not more moderate/progressive than Reagan? Was Bill Clinton not more progressive than bush senior? Was bush Jr. Not way more progressive than Reagan? And was Obama not more progressive than all of the above combined?

 

[Kondor3]

More corporate taxation...

Coupled with severe penalties for heading off-shore...

Result in less 'discretionary' money to speculate with...

Requiring a closer focus on mission-critical areas - and less focus upon skimming profits to invest elsewhere...

Turning companies inward again and lessening the Pac Man Feeding Frenzy of speculation and sheltering...

The Corporatists have had things all their way, for far too long, and have enjoyed far too many tax breaks and tax cuts and tax incentives...

It's about time to get them off their asses and to start pulling their weight again, in society, and ensuring that they're vested in the betterment of this country...

The study’s key findings include:

• The United States has the second highest marginal effective tax rate on corporate investment in the developed world at 35.3 percent—behind only France.
• While the U.S.’s marginal effective tax rate has remained stagnant around 35 percent over the last 10 years, the average marginal effective tax rate on corporate investment has fallen by 2.9 percent in the OECD and 6.8 percent in the G7.
• Since 2005, 63 countries have cut their statutory corporate tax rate, lowering the average statutory tax rate to 24.4 percent across the 95 countries surveyed. Meanwhile, the U.S. corporate tax rate has remained stagnant at above 39 percent.
• The lack of U.S. corporate tax competitiveness reduces investment and economic growth, undermines productivity, and encourages companies to move business to other countries.
• Options to reform the U.S. corporate tax code include: reducing the top rate to 25 percent, limiting tax preferences, moving to a territorial tax system, and improving the integration of the individual and corporate tax codes.

How Much Do Corporations Pay In Taxes?

There is the tax rate...

Then there is the amount actually paid out in taxes...

When you have too many shelters, and too many tax breaks, the rate itself still doesn't matter, if you're not contributing your share...

 

[Kondor3]

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How the fuck can we fund the country and pay down the debt without taxes ?

Would you rather we just taxed working stiffs and let the companies off ?

Oh. All the winner countries are socialists .

Hard to believe,,,,

Property taxes for anyone that owns a house
Taxes you pay on the goods you buy

Can you show me where 47% of this country pays no income tax?

Federal income tax. 47% pay zero.

Another good reason to tax corporations more...

Here is something all mindless loony lefties need to know: American corps pass their tax burden along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. It's part of the cost of doing biz.

As long as we tax payers and consumers are OK with paying higher prices so that our gov't hacks can fly 1st class, so be it.

For those of us who weary of gov't agencies enjoying that luxury while the rest of us fly coach, it's not such a great deal.

I need people to wake up and smell what they are shoveling.

Fine...

Time for a little socialist -caliber Price Controls along with the Tax Reset...

 

[Kondor3]

More corporate taxation...

Coupled with severe penalties for heading off-shore...

Result in less 'discretionary' money to speculate with...

Requiring a closer focus on mission-critical areas - and less focus upon skimming profits to invest elsewhere...

Very little of the upper classes money is invested into this country. I'd rather see the middle class have a chance at competing and expanding the percentage of the populations wealth(middle class)...Any third world shit hole can have a insanely rich 1-2%.

Maybe it's time to start breaking up some of the Big Guns again, like Teddy (R) did a century ago...

... Not with Putin moving his tanks and arty around in Ukraine, and Xi building airbases in the South China Sea.

By 'Big Guns', of course, I was referring to the mega-holding-corporations that control so much of the American Media...

Nothing to do with military capabilities, eh?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

They won't leave...

The US can make departure or off-shoring cost-prohibitive...

Staying (and paying the tax increase) would be much cheaper than leaving...

As well as Nationalizing any security-critical firm that might attempt such a stunt...

Plenty of ways to get 'radical' with these Corporatists without killing the goose that laid the golden egg...

Yep, because that's exactly why our founders allowed for a tax system: to tax people into submission.

Not People... Corporations... and the Corporatists have been raping America long enough, so... phukk 'em.

In that case, where do you think jobs come from? Why do you think the candidate representing all of the corporations that buy politicians is advocating raising the corporate tax? What do you think happens when corporations leave the US? Do you really think we need to raise taxes to pay for the 400+ government agencies we don't need instead of cutting them and actually balancing the government's budget?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

View attachment 85341

Hard to believe,,,,

Property taxes for anyone that owns a house
Taxes you pay on the goods you buy

Can you show me where 47% of this country pays no income tax?

Federal income tax. 47% pay zero.

Another good reason to tax corporations more...

Here is something all mindless loony lefties need to know: American corps pass their tax burden along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. It's part of the cost of doing biz.

As long as we tax payers and consumers are OK with paying higher prices so that our gov't hacks can fly 1st class, so be it.

For those of us who weary of gov't agencies enjoying that luxury while the rest of us fly coach, it's not such a great deal.

I need people to wake up and smell what they are shoveling.

Fine...

Time for a little socialist -caliber Price Controls along with the Tax Reset...

You mean the things that caused and extended the Great Depression in the first place?

 

[sakinago]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

Read this and think, dupe.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

And again we have been progressively getting more progressive we'll say in the past 60 years? I dont think there is a way you can possibly disagree with that statement. There's a definitive trend in what your posting and the only correlation found is to the increase in progressivism. It seems the more progressive the government gets, the greater the income inequality gets. Progressivism isn't anything new, so you are nothing special, just another person who thinks their beliefs should be forced on others (the minority/individual) through the use of government, for their or the majorities greater good. Progressivism started in the Churches with protecting racism against the consitution, moved on to prohibition, and then on to eugenics. That's just the natural progression of putting the greater good of the majority above all, most importantly the individual. To you civil rights only matter in voting block groups...and positive rights should be assigned to protected groups, in the name of progressivism.

 

[owebo]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

No, it shows your obsession with Fed income tax is brainwashed idiocy. Why do you think the nonrich and the country are going to hell since Reagan?

Democrats?

 

[francoHFW]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

No, it shows your obsession with Fed income tax is brainwashed idiocy. Why do you think the nonrich and the country are going to hell since Reagan?

Democrats?

Really dumb dupes...

The one tax graph you really need to know

 

[francoHFW]

The one tax graph you really need to know

 

[owebo]

Obsessing on the fed income tax is brainwashed bs

The one tax graph you really need to know

If you include fees, EVERYONE pays 20-30% to the government. Pub dupes!

How much of this graph includes government spending and the efficacy of it? Does it include statistics on the war on poverty since its existence? Does it include statistics of the efficacy of the department of education in it's existence? Does it compare the rates of military spending proportionatly with other NATO nations that it's comparing too? Does it include the amount of taxpayer funded financial aid we give to other regimes vs. other nations? Does it include the estimated amount of tax dollars that pay for govt. services going to undocumented immigrants vs other nations? Can we superimpose a graph of standard of living over the last 12 years?

No, it shows your obsession with Fed income tax is brainwashed idiocy. Why do you think the nonrich and the country are going to hell since Reagan?

Democrats?

Really dumb dupes...

The one tax graph you really need to know

Yes democrats are....

 

[Conservative65]

Yep

TWO GOP world depressions, both caused by crap GOP regulation of financial institutions and Wall St. see also S+L scandal.

I thought you said you were a history teacher. Guess knowing history wasn't a qualification for you to work.

The idea that Franco teaches impressionable minds is enough to make you pee your pants, isn't it?

It's enough to prove that wherever he taught, if that is actually true, had unions protecting incompetent teachers.

Teaching is one area that I think unions have had a negative effect on society...Teachers and professors must be held to high standards. Otherwise, I think unions are great as long as it isn't in teaching.

Anyone that needs a union to do their bidding isn't worth hiring.

 

[Conservative65]

WEll, they use the roads, enjoy the weather updates, like the clean air, water, food and the safety the police provide. They shouldn't be allowed to get all this for free while most of the middle class and smaller businesses pay up the ass.

It isn't right.

Corporations pay more in taxes in one year than you could make in a hundred lifetimes.

Well, most of them use the loop holes that allow them to pay 1/3rds as much as what is on paper. That is a fact. Also, if they're using the resources they should pay taxes.

Prove they only pay 1/3 of what is on paper.

 

[Conservative65]

Those that are becoming richer have done things to better their financial situation. Those getting poorer are still doing jobs that require the same skills that it took to do them 50 years ago. When the skills required to do higher paying jobs increase, so do the wages. When the skills to do low paying jobs don't change, neither does the pay. Therefore, a gap. Easy solution. People without skills get some and STFU about being given more for nothing.

Perhaps the GOP could stop making it so difficult and expensive to do so....

If you think someone that can't afford to go to college should be able to go, you can always write a check on their behalf to pay for it. That way it wouldn't cost them anything and they could get what you think they deserve without a single dime coming from their pocket. Remember, YOU have to totally pay for it yourself on their behalf.

As for difficult, it should be. Some dumb fuck shouldn't go to college simply because they want to go.

I guess you never went...silly stuff. We want the bloated rich and laughing giant corps to pay for it.

Graduated three times fully funded by me and/or scholarships and my wife is working on #4.

Typical Liberal answer. You want something to happen but want someone else to be forced to pay for it. Didn't think you were man enough to support your own causes. Most Liberals aren't.

Not history, ethics, or poli sci I guess...

Because I don't agree with your tripe means I didn't in any of those? Typical Liberal mindset.

 

[Conservative65]

Those that are becoming richer have done things to better their financial situation. Those getting poorer are still doing jobs that require the same skills that it took to do them 50 years ago. When the skills required to do higher paying jobs increase, so do the wages. When the skills to do low paying jobs don't change, neither does the pay. Therefore, a gap. Easy solution. People without skills get some and STFU about being given more for nothing.

Perhaps the GOP could stop making it so difficult and expensive to do so....

If you think someone that can't afford to go to college should be able to go, you can always write a check on their behalf to pay for it. That way it wouldn't cost them anything and they could get what you think they deserve without a single dime coming from their pocket. Remember, YOU have to totally pay for it yourself on their behalf.

As for difficult, it should be. Some dumb fuck shouldn't go to college simply because they want to go.

I guess you never went...silly stuff. We want the bloated rich and laughing giant corps to pay for it.

Graduated three times fully funded by me and/or scholarships and my wife is working on #4.

Typical Liberal answer. You want something to happen but want someone else to be forced to pay for it. Didn't think you were man enough to support your own causes. Most Liberals aren't.

And it was a lot cheaper back then, before the New BS GOP...

Didn't think you were man enough to support your own causes. Most Liberals aren't.

 

[Campbell]

Go ahead and explain why that is a good thing for the country.

Keep in mind folks that the American socialists are by far the dumbest people on the planet.

Let us hear why American companies should be taxed more and why that is a good thing.

They don't pay taxes now and yet they benefit from our infrastructure and military.

And taxation is how the middle class was created in America. Before that it was the Lords and Serfs like medieval England. When I was young anyone who earned more than $300,000 a year paid 91% of the excess in tax. What we've had for the last 35 years created this. Notice that after taxes the lower half of workers have lost income.