Can socialists in this country explain how taxing American corporations/companies more is good?

[Mortimer]

Go ahead and explain why that is a good thing for the country.

Keep in mind folks that the American socialists are by far the dumbest people on the planet.

Let us hear why American companies should be taxed more and why that is a good thing.

I don't think we should tax American corporations. Instead, we should nationalize them. Then they won't have to pay any taxes at all.

Hmmm. I don't know about that because once you take away the profit incentives and eliminate competition for that profit we might start to look like Russia. But I do think healthcare ought to be nationalized.

I'm not saying every corporation in America should be nationalized. Just financial institutions, telecom/cable/internet, oil companies, healthcare, insurance companies, chemical and food corporations.

So, you just want a LITTLE socialism ... is that right? You know ... kinda selective socialism?

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

 

[Spare_change]

When we stopped taxing corporations and the wealthy, we stopped doing things as a nation

No more moon shots, instead of building an interstate highway system, we let our roads and bridges go to hell

We complain about helping our poor and spending money on education and healthcare

We have instituted austerity to ensure more wealth at the top

Corporations and the wealthy already pay more than the half that don't pay income taxes do combined. That's easy. One taxpayer alone pays more than the half that pay nothing combined.

As they should

You tax where the money is and that is where the money is. They pay most of the income taxes because they consume most of the income and wealth.....what a concept

That's the moral code of a thief. A reported once asked John Dillinger why he robbed banks. His response: "that's where the money is."

Rich people consume wealth because they earn it.

Horse Shit! Donald Trump started out with $150 million. I would have preferred to try it that way!

He started out with $1 million. He was already a billionaire when his father died and he inherited any money from him.

Did you know that, nationally, 93% of the people who win $1 million in a lottery, declare bankruptcy within 5 years?

I thought that was interesting ....

 

[Spare_change]

I don't think we should tax American corporations. Instead, we should nationalize them. Then they won't have to pay any taxes at all.

Hmmm. I don't know about that because once you take away the profit incentives and eliminate competition for that profit we might start to look like Russia. But I do think healthcare ought to be nationalized.

I'm not saying every corporation in America should be nationalized. Just financial institutions, telecom/cable/internet, oil companies, healthcare, insurance companies, chemical and food corporations.

So, you just want a LITTLE socialism ... is that right? You know ... kinda selective socialism?

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

Ask Greece.

 

[Mortimer]

Hmmm. I don't know about that because once you take away the profit incentives and eliminate competition for that profit we might start to look like Russia. But I do think healthcare ought to be nationalized.

I'm not saying every corporation in America should be nationalized. Just financial institutions, telecom/cable/internet, oil companies, healthcare, insurance companies, chemical and food corporations.

So, you just want a LITTLE socialism ... is that right? You know ... kinda selective socialism?

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

Ask Greece.

Greece was destroyed by multinational bankers etc.

 

[Spare_change]

The bought off GOP obstructionists and the dupes are unwilling to do anything about it...I know, a tax cut for the rich...

What amazes me is the hypocrisy of the right. After eight years of complaining about the ever growing national debt, every Republican candidate immidiately calls for budgets that slash taxes on the wealthy to record low levels. Every Republican plan added at least 10 trillion to our debt
Not a single Republican plan would cut our debt

Last time I looked, almost $10 trillion of that debt was added during Obama's 8 years.

Your point?

Where has a single Trump economic policy reduced our national debt? Republicans whined like little bitches about the debt, yet have no plans to reduce it

Proves your claim incorrect.

Trump hasn't been President. Obama has and the debt has almost doubled.

The House and Senate are run by the republicans....they control the spending.....Shrub left a $1.2 trillion annual deficit for FY2008 and destroyed the whole economy. Obama cut the annual deficit in half.

Actually, the facts are somewhat different ... Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

 

[Spare_change]

I'm not saying every corporation in America should be nationalized. Just financial institutions, telecom/cable/internet, oil companies, healthcare, insurance companies, chemical and food corporations.

So, you just want a LITTLE socialism ... is that right? You know ... kinda selective socialism?

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

Ask Greece.

Greece was destroyed by multinational bankers etc.

LOL --- obviously, you aren't aware of what happened in Greece, right?

But, let me humor you ... explain to me how "multinational bankers" destroyed Greece.

 

[Spare_change]

Last time I looked, almost $10 trillion of that debt was added during Obama's 8 years.

Your point?

Where has a single Trump economic policy reduced our national debt? Republicans whined like little bitches about the debt, yet have no plans to reduce it

Proves your claim incorrect.

Trump hasn't been President. Obama has and the debt has almost doubled.

Obama is not running, Trump is

If Republicans are as upset about debt as they claim ...why do none of their plans reduce it?

Trump isn't President. Obama is.

Are you saying that something that hasn't been tried fails because the results haven't occurred?

Republicans have had total control of Congress for two years.....why haven't they reduced the debt like they promised?

Because Obama has vetoed every program designed to cut government spending .... check it out.

 

[francoHFW]

That 10% should go to tax cuts for the nonrich.

Finland...impressive source! THREE MILLION fewer people in the country than the city of New York.

As you know too, Obamacare is a massive failure. One which we, Conservatives, forecast would happen.

Don't know if you knew, but Finland has fewer miles of road than NYC, too.

What about the whole EU? About 430 million. Try Japan, NZ, OZ and Canada? Even the US, though it's almost a Reaganist Oligachy at this point. Great job, dupes.

The whole EU? You mean the one that is collapsing in on itself under the burden of the cost of 'social democracy' programs?

Apparently, you've never been outside the country. I strongly suggest you go to all those countries --- hell, just pick one - and see the lack of support services for the people, the lack of infrastructure, and the massive number of poor people. Then, we can talk ---

They don't recover as fast as us. No fracking etc. I've lived in UK, France, and Spain and you are an idiot.

Based on your supposed observations, I can only conclude: 1) you're a damned liar, and never been out of your mother's basement, or 2) you spent you whole time in Europe fired up ganja

Why do Eurocars have to have their suspensions tweaked for our crap roads? They have many fewer poor and living wage, cheap University, great vacations, and training. WTF are you talking about?

 

[Mortimer]

So, you just want a LITTLE socialism ... is that right? You know ... kinda selective socialism?

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

Ask Greece.

Greece was destroyed by multinational bankers etc.

LOL --- obviously, you aren't aware of what happened in Greece, right?

But, let me humor you ... explain to me how "multinational bankers" destroyed Greece.

How socialists destroyed Greece?

 

[Spare_change]

Republicans did not control congress when either Obamacare or the stimulus passed. In fact that was when the Democrats had a supermajority and the Republicans couldn't even filibuster them. Remember the Democrats rushed Obamacare through after Ted Kennedy died before Scott Brown could be the 41st vote to filibuster it

I don't really believe that Republicans would have done it much differently, but trying to blame ACA on them is pretty pathetic. It's the biggest corporatist sellout I've seen and the Democrats own it outright.

So who owns the massive job and career losses that occurred under GW and thus created the need for ACA?

W and the Democrat congress own the massive job losses since they did it together. As for that creating the need to bleed more jobs, WTF is that supposed to mean?

This man's been shot, shoot him again!

You think it might be a case of the Democratic controlled congress ignoring W's attempts to rein in subprime mortgages by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? That have anything to do with it?

 

[Spare_change]

That 10% should go to tax cuts for the nonrich.

Don't know if you knew, but Finland has fewer miles of road than NYC, too.

What about the whole EU? About 430 million. Try Japan, NZ, OZ and Canada? Even the US, though it's almost a Reaganist Oligachy at this point. Great job, dupes.

The whole EU? You mean the one that is collapsing in on itself under the burden of the cost of 'social democracy' programs?

Apparently, you've never been outside the country. I strongly suggest you go to all those countries --- hell, just pick one - and see the lack of support services for the people, the lack of infrastructure, and the massive number of poor people. Then, we can talk ---

They don't recover as fast as us. No fracking etc. I've lived in UK, France, and Spain and you are an idiot.

Based on your supposed observations, I can only conclude: 1) you're a damned liar, and never been out of your mother's basement, or 2) you spent you whole time in Europe fired up ganja

Why do Eurocars have to have their suspensions tweaked for our crap roads? They have many fewer poor and living wage, cheap University, great vacations, and training. WTF are you talking about?

LOL --- selecting diffuse 'facts' (very much in question) to support a fallacious argument.

Eurocars, in general, have to have their suspensions "tweaked" in order to meet our more stringent safety standards. The same applies for glass, lights etc. It has nothing to do with our roads. I bought my first Jaguar while assigned to USAFE in Belgium --- great deal UNTIL I picked up the tab for making it roadworthy in the US.

To argue that they have "many fewer poor" is disingenuous. Your 'argument' is fallacious. You should be comparing standard of living. Our poor make more than the 'average' European income.

The same applies for your nonsensical comment about universities - compare them not to each other but to the average income for that country. You'll come away with a completely different observation.

As for vacations, benefits, etc ---- what the hell do you think is happening in Europe today? Pensions, 30 hour work weeks, socialized medicine are driving EVERY country toward bankruptcy. Some will take longer to get there, but they are all headed down the same road.

 

[Spare_change]

Well, yeah. A LITTLE socialism is what we already have in America (USPS, Medicare, fire departments) I just want a little bit more.

Socialism is only a danger to very rich people who exploit poorer people.

Ask Greece.

Greece was destroyed by multinational bankers etc.

LOL --- obviously, you aren't aware of what happened in Greece, right?

But, let me humor you ... explain to me how "multinational bankers" destroyed Greece.

How socialists destroyed Greece?

No - you claimed "multinational bankers" destroyed Greece.

Now, back it up .... explain it to me.

 

[francoHFW]

see sig

 

[francoHFW]

That 10% should go to tax cuts for the nonrich.

What about the whole EU? About 430 million. Try Japan, NZ, OZ and Canada? Even the US, though it's almost a Reaganist Oligachy at this point. Great job, dupes.

The whole EU? You mean the one that is collapsing in on itself under the burden of the cost of 'social democracy' programs?

Apparently, you've never been outside the country. I strongly suggest you go to all those countries --- hell, just pick one - and see the lack of support services for the people, the lack of infrastructure, and the massive number of poor people. Then, we can talk ---

They don't recover as fast as us. No fracking etc. I've lived in UK, France, and Spain and you are an idiot.

Based on your supposed observations, I can only conclude: 1) you're a damned liar, and never been out of your mother's basement, or 2) you spent you whole time in Europe fired up ganja

Why do Eurocars have to have their suspensions tweaked for our crap roads? They have many fewer poor and living wage, cheap University, great vacations, and training. WTF are you talking about?

LOL --- selecting diffuse 'facts' (very much in question) to support a fallacious argument.

Eurocars, in general, have to have their suspensions "tweaked" in order to meet our more stringent safety standards. The same applies for glass, lights etc. It has nothing to do with our roads. I bought my first Jaguar while assigned to USAFE in Belgium --- great deal UNTIL I picked up the tab for making it roadworthy in the US.

To argue that they have "many fewer poor" is disingenuous. Your 'argument' is fallacious. You should be comparing standard of living. Our poor make more than the 'average' European income.

The same applies for your nonsensical comment about universities - compare them not to each other but to the average income for that country. You'll come away with a completely different observation.

As for vacations, benefits, etc ---- what the hell do you think is happening in Europe today? Pensions, 30 hour work weeks, socialized medicine are driving EVERY country toward bankruptcy. Some will take longer to get there, but they are all headed down the same road.

Boooshies drove them to bankruptcy, dupe. Duh. They don't have poor like ours. We're a gd oligarchy.

 

[Spare_change]

see sig

So, you invoke your nonsense in your own signature, and we're supposed to be somehow impressed by that?

Consistently, throughout this thread, your comments have been challenged, and you have just as consistently failed to respond to the challenge.

Frankly, you're getting b-o-r-i-n-g.

 

[francoHFW]

What amazes me is the hypocrisy of the right. After eight years of complaining about the ever growing national debt, every Republican candidate immidiately calls for budgets that slash taxes on the wealthy to record low levels. Every Republican plan added at least 10 trillion to our debt
Not a single Republican plan would cut our debt

Last time I looked, almost $10 trillion of that debt was added during Obama's 8 years.

Your point?

Where has a single Trump economic policy reduced our national debt? Republicans whined like little bitches about the debt, yet have no plans to reduce it

Proves your claim incorrect.

Trump hasn't been President. Obama has and the debt has almost doubled.

The House and Senate are run by the republicans....they control the spending.....Shrub left a $1.2 trillion annual deficit for FY2008 and destroyed the whole economy. Obama cut the annual deficit in half.

Actually, the facts are somewhat different ... Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

If control means 200+ filibusters in 2 years, dupe. lol. Actual control about 30 days in session, all spent on ACA. D'OH!

 

[francoHFW]

see sig

So, you invoke your nonsense in your own signature, and we're supposed to be somehow impressed by that?

Consistently, throughout this thread, your comments have been challenged, and you have just as consistently failed to respond to the challenge.

Frankly, you're getting b-o-r-i-n-g.

Sig is more facts than you've heard in years, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Republicans did not control congress when either Obamacare or the stimulus passed. In fact that was when the Democrats had a supermajority and the Republicans couldn't even filibuster them. Remember the Democrats rushed Obamacare through after Ted Kennedy died before Scott Brown could be the 41st vote to filibuster it

I don't really believe that Republicans would have done it much differently, but trying to blame ACA on them is pretty pathetic. It's the biggest corporatist sellout I've seen and the Democrats own it outright.

So who owns the massive job and career losses that occurred under GW and thus created the need for ACA?

W and the Democrat congress own the massive job losses since they did it together. As for that creating the need to bleed more jobs, WTF is that supposed to mean?

This man's been shot, shoot him again!

You think it might be a case of the Democratic controlled congress ignoring W's attempts to rein in subprime mortgages by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? That have anything to do with it?

Dems had control. Idiot.

 

[Spare_change]

That 10% should go to tax cuts for the nonrich.

The whole EU? You mean the one that is collapsing in on itself under the burden of the cost of 'social democracy' programs?

Apparently, you've never been outside the country. I strongly suggest you go to all those countries --- hell, just pick one - and see the lack of support services for the people, the lack of infrastructure, and the massive number of poor people. Then, we can talk ---

They don't recover as fast as us. No fracking etc. I've lived in UK, France, and Spain and you are an idiot.

Based on your supposed observations, I can only conclude: 1) you're a damned liar, and never been out of your mother's basement, or 2) you spent you whole time in Europe fired up ganja

Why do Eurocars have to have their suspensions tweaked for our crap roads? They have many fewer poor and living wage, cheap University, great vacations, and training. WTF are you talking about?

LOL --- selecting diffuse 'facts' (very much in question) to support a fallacious argument.

Eurocars, in general, have to have their suspensions "tweaked" in order to meet our more stringent safety standards. The same applies for glass, lights etc. It has nothing to do with our roads. I bought my first Jaguar while assigned to USAFE in Belgium --- great deal UNTIL I picked up the tab for making it roadworthy in the US.

To argue that they have "many fewer poor" is disingenuous. Your 'argument' is fallacious. You should be comparing standard of living. Our poor make more than the 'average' European income.

The same applies for your nonsensical comment about universities - compare them not to each other but to the average income for that country. You'll come away with a completely different observation.

As for vacations, benefits, etc ---- what the hell do you think is happening in Europe today? Pensions, 30 hour work weeks, socialized medicine are driving EVERY country toward bankruptcy. Some will take longer to get there, but they are all headed down the same road.

Boooshies drove them to bankruptcy, dupe. Duh. They don't have poor like ours. We're a gd oligarchy.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I apologize ...

I thought you were somebody who hadn't dipped into an alternate reality. Our poor are the worst? Seriously? LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Your point?

Where has a single Trump economic policy reduced our national debt? Republicans whined like little bitches about the debt, yet have no plans to reduce it

Proves your claim incorrect.

Trump hasn't been President. Obama has and the debt has almost doubled.

Obama is not running, Trump is

If Republicans are as upset about debt as they claim ...why do none of their plans reduce it?

Trump isn't President. Obama is.

Are you saying that something that hasn't been tried fails because the results haven't occurred?

Republicans have had total control of Congress for two years.....why haven't they reduced the debt like they promised?

Because Obama has vetoed every program designed to cut government spending .... check it out.

The spending that helps the nonrich, yes.