CDZ Can the GOP Nominate Someone With Fewer Delegates In His Favor Thank There Are Lined Up Against Him?

[BULLDOG]

If they try such a stunt they risk destroying the Party.

Trump as the nominee can beat Hillary.

Trump as a third party ensures Hillary in office.

Simple as that.

I guess it's possible that Trump could beat Hillary, but it's guaranteed that he would trash the party for decades after.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Exactly, and the GOP is afraid that either Trump or Cruz. will be that man. Trump would guarantee a Democratic victory, and Cruz would guarantee the end of the republican party. That's why they are urging ALL the others to stay in.....even Ben Carson.

The only thing that gives the democratic - socialists a victory is a split party. If they broker the convention and give the nomination to Jeb or Mitt, and Trump runs third party, then and only then will Hillary win.

 

[jillian]

That's one of the 7 mysteries of the republican party.
The republican party has 7 mysteries and that's one of them.


Here's one theory.
How a fractured field just might block Trump and force a brokered convention

That might be the case. After Romney's speech today, I suspect its going to get even nastier

 

[Uncensored2008]

I guess it's possible that Trump could beat Hillary, but it's guaranteed that he would trash the party for decades after.

That is likely.

I think Trump will be nearly as bad of a president as Obama.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whether this could happen depends upon who writes the convention rules. Sadly those are plastic - not consistent year-to-year.

It's also what the leadership will do it it wants to create an election with Trump running solo. Their only hope then would be that Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be sufficiently pissed, when he is dumped (and I have no doubt he will be), that he, too, runs solo.

Hey' wouldn't that be FUN!

Wow, think of a Trump/Sanders ticket.

"POPULISM, NOT RATIONALITY!"

I could almost see it....

 

[jillian]

Can the GOP Nominate Someone With Fewer Delegates In His Favor Thank There Are Lined Up Against Him?

Or does the GOP have to nominate someone else? Or does the GOP Convention become absolute chaos like the Democratic Convention was in 1968?

Parliamentary chaos ensues when, after a failure of any candidate to achieve a majority in the initial balloting, the convention is declared open and all delegates are released from their pledged candidate. This may well be the case when the time comes, but it is too early yet to tell.

What does seem certain is that no matter whom the convention picks, a very substantial minority of the delegates and of GOP voters are going to be angry and dissatisfied. The convention is shaping up as the Gettysburg of the Republican Party Civil War and it is hard to see how the fighting can go on after it.

It is quite possible, of course, that the losing side will bolt the GOP for a third party run. This would almost certainly elect a Democrat but in the resulting rubble the Republican will, perforce, end the fighting and reform.

Just my opinion, of course...

I think whichever group loses might consider bolting. But I would point out that as of right now, even though Trump has more delegates than any other individual candidate, he has fewer than the delegates lined up against him or thus far undeclared. That means the majority of the GOP does not support him. How that is handled will be interesting.

And I suspect at least in part Romney's speech today is a last ditch effort at getting the party to coalesce against an anti-trump. marco doesn't have the personality and cruz is hated by his own party. it's a problem for them.

 

[jillian]

I feel that the people would riot at this point if they past up the person whom they obviously wanted in... We are to our breaking point with the government bullshit.

why would they "riot" if Trump does not hold a majority of available delegates even though he has more than the other candidates? should the majority of the party be unrepresented?

 

[jillian]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

 

[BULLDOG]

No. If trump ends up with less than 50% of the delegates, then all delegates are released and they can support who ever they want. It becomes a big thunder dome type affair with 2,340 participants. Many men enter, one man leaves.

Where did you see that? Do you have a copy of the rules? I would assume this would only be after a 1st ballot that goes by the delegates pledged vote.

Of course, people being people, there can always be changes. But the structure of the later primaries is designed to get one person to 50% or more.

This is what happens if Republicans face a brokered convention

• • Rule 29: Each delegate gets one vote. If the delegate holds two voting positions, he or she still gets only one vote.
  • Rule 16: If delegates vote for someone besides the candidate to whom they are bound, those votes aren't recognized.
  • Rule 37: States are called to vote in alphabetical order, but they can skip announcing their vote until later in the queue. The chairman of the state party announces the number of votes for each candidate.
  • Rule 38: States can't decide to cast all of their votes for whomever the majority of delegates back.
  • Rule 40: If, after all of the states (and territories) have announced their tallies, no candidate has more than 50 percent of the delegates' votes, "the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention." (Emphasis added.)

In other words, if after all of the voting no one wins, the delegates will keep voting until there's a majority. And that's where the deliberations come in.

So basically one vote by the numbers, then all hell breaks loose.

Still, if they get it down to a two man race, one of them should have 50% based on the winner take all perference in later primaries.

Exactly, and the GOP is afraid that either Trump or Cruz. will be that man. Trump would guarantee a Democratic victory, and Cruz would guarantee the end of the republican party. That's why they are urging ALL the others to stay in.....even Ben Carson.

How will Cruz signify the "end of the Republican Party?" Most of people's opposition to Cruz is based on "someone told me that he was told that Cruz is a meanie".

Of all the guys remaining Cruz seems to be the one to rise to the top. I was a Walker, then a Jindal guy, but those two bowed out early.

Cruz is equally hated in the senate from both sides of the isle, and only the crazies like Gohmert are supporting him in the house. His obvious goal of turning the country into a theocracy as well as all his other fringe ideas will tear the GOP into so many pieces, till it can never be repaired.

 

[TNHarley]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

I do.
yea, but even less support cruz; even less support Rubio; even less support Kasich.
I dont understand that mentality..

 

[BULLDOG]

Exactly, and the GOP is afraid that either Trump or Cruz. will be that man. Trump would guarantee a Democratic victory, and Cruz would guarantee the end of the republican party. That's why they are urging ALL the others to stay in.....even Ben Carson.

The only thing that gives the democratic - socialists a victory is a split party. If they broker the convention and give the nomination to Jeb or Mitt, and Trump runs third party, then and only then will Hillary win.

Congratulations. Your years of feeding misinformation and fear has turned the right into what it is today. Glad I'm not you.

 

[jillian]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

I do.
yea, but even less support cruz; even less support Rubio; even less support Kasich.
I dont understand that mentality..

the problem has always been that there were too many people running. a smaller field would have allowed the candidates to gather individual support.

fox never should have used national polls to determine who the "frontrunner" was. national polls were irrelevant at that point and only served to reward the name recognition that trump had and the free media he got for saying outrageous things. any other GOP candidate would have been finished when they said that McCain isn't a war hero. That didn't touch Trump because he had a pre-existing "relationship" with these people because of his TV show and name on everything. Some people seem to think that makes him presidential material.... or they just hate their party so much that they don't care.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Congratulations. Your years of feeding misinformation and fear has turned the right into what it is today. Glad I'm not you.

Of course.

It has nothing to do with the milquetoast "moderates" like Romney and McCain, who dutifully bow to the democrats every demand.

No, it's that I point out that Hillary is unelectable..

 

[TNHarley]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

I do.
yea, but even less support cruz; even less support Rubio; even less support Kasich.
I dont understand that mentality..

the problem has always been that there were too many people running. a smaller field would have allowed the candidates to gather individual support.

fox never should have used national polls to determine who the "frontrunner" was. national polls were irrelevant at that point and only served to reward the name recognition that trump had and the free media he got for saying outrageous things. any other GOP candidate would have been finished when they said that McCain isn't a war hero. That didn't touch Trump because he had a pre-existing "relationship" with these people because of his TV show and name on everything. Some people seem to think that makes him presidential material.... or they just hate their party so much that they don't care.

I think its the last part more than anything.
Honestly, I don't know many people that actually like Trump. They like the "idea". They just hate the corportism, non-representation and lack of accountability. Some, like me, don't think his lunacy will be any worse than obamas, bushs etc.
The Dems will be next.. They seem to "tow the line" a little more..

 

[TNHarley]

Exactly, and the GOP is afraid that either Trump or Cruz. will be that man. Trump would guarantee a Democratic victory, and Cruz would guarantee the end of the republican party. That's why they are urging ALL the others to stay in.....even Ben Carson.

The only thing that gives the democratic - socialists a victory is a split party. If they broker the convention and give the nomination to Jeb or Mitt, and Trump runs third party, then and only then will Hillary win.

Congratulations. Your years of feeding misinformation and fear has turned the right into what it is today. Glad I'm not you.

 

[martybegan]

Where did you see that? Do you have a copy of the rules? I would assume this would only be after a 1st ballot that goes by the delegates pledged vote.

Of course, people being people, there can always be changes. But the structure of the later primaries is designed to get one person to 50% or more.

This is what happens if Republicans face a brokered convention

• • Rule 29: Each delegate gets one vote. If the delegate holds two voting positions, he or she still gets only one vote.
  • Rule 16: If delegates vote for someone besides the candidate to whom they are bound, those votes aren't recognized.
  • Rule 37: States are called to vote in alphabetical order, but they can skip announcing their vote until later in the queue. The chairman of the state party announces the number of votes for each candidate.
  • Rule 38: States can't decide to cast all of their votes for whomever the majority of delegates back.
  • Rule 40: If, after all of the states (and territories) have announced their tallies, no candidate has more than 50 percent of the delegates' votes, "the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention." (Emphasis added.)

In other words, if after all of the voting no one wins, the delegates will keep voting until there's a majority. And that's where the deliberations come in.

So basically one vote by the numbers, then all hell breaks loose.

Still, if they get it down to a two man race, one of them should have 50% based on the winner take all perference in later primaries.

Exactly, and the GOP is afraid that either Trump or Cruz. will be that man. Trump would guarantee a Democratic victory, and Cruz would guarantee the end of the republican party. That's why they are urging ALL the others to stay in.....even Ben Carson.

How will Cruz signify the "end of the Republican Party?" Most of people's opposition to Cruz is based on "someone told me that he was told that Cruz is a meanie".

Of all the guys remaining Cruz seems to be the one to rise to the top. I was a Walker, then a Jindal guy, but those two bowed out early.

Cruz is equally hated in the senate from both sides of the isle, and only the crazies like Gohmert are supporting him in the house. His obvious goal of turning the country into a theocracy as well as all his other fringe ideas will tear the GOP into so many pieces, till it can never be repaired.

His goal is to turn the US into a theocracy? Really? That sounds like nothing more than scaremongering. And if we go by "not likable" then Hillary shouldn't even be in the Race at this point.

The Constitution has plenty of safeguards to prevent any establishment of a theocracy, although to be honest, the way progressives have been able to run roughshod over the 2nd amendment may mean you have a slight point.

 

[martybegan]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

Trump does best in open primaries, he is feeding on the groundswell of angst in middle america. Most of the upcoming primaries are closed ones, lets see how he does in those before the concept of "majorities of Republicans" supporting him is discussed with any certainty.

 

[jillian]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

I do.
yea, but even less support cruz; even less support Rubio; even less support Kasich.
I dont understand that mentality..

the problem has always been that there were too many people running. a smaller field would have allowed the candidates to gather individual support.

fox never should have used national polls to determine who the "frontrunner" was. national polls were irrelevant at that point and only served to reward the name recognition that trump had and the free media he got for saying outrageous things. any other GOP candidate would have been finished when they said that McCain isn't a war hero. That didn't touch Trump because he had a pre-existing "relationship" with these people because of his TV show and name on everything. Some people seem to think that makes him presidential material.... or they just hate their party so much that they don't care.

I think its the last part more than anything.
Honestly, I don't know many people that actually like Trump. They like the "idea". They just hate the corportism, non-representation and lack of accountability. Some, like me, don't think his lunacy will be any worse than obamas, bushs etc.
The Dems will be next.. They seem to "tow the line" a little more..

there's an inherent difference. the part of the GOP that's pro trump hates the federal government. they hate having to follow the rulings of the court, they hate that what is really a small percentage of the country can't force the rest of the country to do what it wants.... hence the states' rights mantra.

democrats, not so much. we don't hate the federal government. we might disagree with things, but you don't see democrats refusing to follow the lawful orders of the court. can you imagine how the GOP would have acted if a democratic court handed the election to a democrat? the dems never questioned the legitimacy of the government. certain parts of the GOP (mostly the trump parts) do it all the time.

 

[BULLDOG]

Congratulations. Your years of feeding misinformation and fear has turned the right into what it is today. Glad I'm not you.

Of course.

It has nothing to do with the milquetoast "moderates" like Romney and McCain, who dutifully bow to the democrats every demand.

No, it's that I point out that Hillary is unelectable..

I guess that is yet to be determined.

 

[TNHarley]

I tend to think they wont do shit. Just more doom and gloom from the rubes and establishment.

by establishment, I assume you mean the majority of the party..... given that it is a minority of the party that supports trump.

not that your assessment might not be correct....

I do.
yea, but even less support cruz; even less support Rubio; even less support Kasich.
I dont understand that mentality..

the problem has always been that there were too many people running. a smaller field would have allowed the candidates to gather individual support.

fox never should have used national polls to determine who the "frontrunner" was. national polls were irrelevant at that point and only served to reward the name recognition that trump had and the free media he got for saying outrageous things. any other GOP candidate would have been finished when they said that McCain isn't a war hero. That didn't touch Trump because he had a pre-existing "relationship" with these people because of his TV show and name on everything. Some people seem to think that makes him presidential material.... or they just hate their party so much that they don't care.

I think its the last part more than anything.
Honestly, I don't know many people that actually like Trump. They like the "idea". They just hate the corportism, non-representation and lack of accountability. Some, like me, don't think his lunacy will be any worse than obamas, bushs etc.
The Dems will be next.. They seem to "tow the line" a little more..

there's an inherent difference. the part of the GOP that's pro trump hates the federal government. they hate having to follow the rulings of the court, they hate that what is really a small percentage of the country can't force the rest of the country to do what it wants.... hence the states' rights mantra.

democrats, not so much. we don't hate the federal government. we might disagree with things, but you don't see demo

lol ok