Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him?

[GreatestIam]

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done(when it comes) on Earth as it is in Heaven. Be patient.Satan runs this shithole. Look around.
He offered the whole thing to Yeshua.....and got laughed at.

Who gave Satan dominion, and why do such a hateful thing?

Hail Yahweh, the garbage god.

Regards
DL

Actually, God gave man dominion over the things of this world, and man simply relinquishes his dominion over to satan. Resist him and he flees. Simple.

Resist lying if you are going to reply to me.

Where in scriptures do you see us relinquishing our dominion?

No lies please.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Pharaoh's heart was already hard.

More lies.

If his heart was hard enough, then Yahweh would not have bothered.

Your need to lie is making you stupid.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

The only omni Yahweh is, is omni-absent.

I truly don't like when evil mind dudes say things which are part correct. The best is when they are completely in error.

You have very good arguments, some of them partially in the right path.

But religion needs people like you playing for the "good side". Evil mind people are like the serpent of Genesis, and even Jesus advised his followers to be wise as serpents.

You mean the good minded are like the talking serpent.

Without Satan, god's plan would have been derailed. That is why Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

It is hard to keep things straight with the garbage that Christianity has made of it's myths.

They call an evil Yahweh good and a good Satan evil. While singing the opposite.

Regards
DL

 

[watchingfromafar]

Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him?

I'm not a Jew and having said that, God is who He is by any name. You will know him when the time is right.
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[GreatestIam]

Newtonian
I have a question. Can God create a perfect world if he decides to do so?

Look around.

This is the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world.

Heaven is a good analogy.

This is irrefutable.

Regards
DL

Damn it! Why are you all referring to our world? I didn't mean our world, I consider our world to be an excellent place.

Forget about our world, forget about what you personally think to be perfect. There is nothing. And now God decides to create a perfect world. 'Perfect' in his 'imagination' and no one can actually describe what this means. But he wants it to be 'perfect', what he decides it to be.

Now, a question. Is God capable to create such a world?

If you think that God owns such feature as omniscience, then don't bother to answer the question. My question was aimed at a particular poster.

The only omni Yahweh is, is omni-absent.

If he was here, he would deserve the bullet I have with his vile name on it.

Regards
DL

You contradict yourself. Some time ago, in another thread you wrote that 'light' and 'dark' sides are working in cooperation like Yin and Yang.

Obviously, you consider God of the OT to be a 'dark' side. But, your stance toward him is irrational because he is a part of duet which made all things happen.

Show the moral rationality of thinking that a genocidal character, man or god, is good.

All genocidal gods are pricks. Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him?

I'm not a Jew and having said that, God is who He is by any name. You will know him when the time is right.
-

I already passed that time. Have you?

Who is your god?

Regards
DL

 

[watchingfromafar]

It is hard to keep things straight with the garbage that Christianity has made of it's myths.

GreatestIam, you are a very wise fellow so help me out, clearly you are not a Christian; so what faith do you follow-?

Last but not least, what “myths” do you refer too-?

Thanks in advance

-

 

[ESay]

Newtonian
I have a question. Can God create a perfect world if he decides to do so?

Look around.

This is the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world.

Heaven is a good analogy.

This is irrefutable.

Regards
DL

Damn it! Why are you all referring to our world? I didn't mean our world, I consider our world to be an excellent place.

Forget about our world, forget about what you personally think to be perfect. There is nothing. And now God decides to create a perfect world. 'Perfect' in his 'imagination' and no one can actually describe what this means. But he wants it to be 'perfect', what he decides it to be.

Now, a question. Is God capable to create such a world?

If you think that God owns such feature as omniscience, then don't bother to answer the question. My question was aimed at a particular poster.

The only omni Yahweh is, is omni-absent.

If he was here, he would deserve the bullet I have with his vile name on it.

Regards
DL

You contradict yourself. Some time ago, in another thread you wrote that 'light' and 'dark' sides are working in cooperation like Yin and Yang.

Obviously, you consider God of the OT to be a 'dark' side. But, your stance toward him is irrational because he is a part of duet which made all things happen.

Show the moral rationality of thinking that a genocidal character, man or god, is good.

All genocidal gods are pricks. Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

First of all, let's clarify - you think that 'dark' and 'light' sides cooperate. And thanks to this cooperation our world came to existence. And God of OT represents the 'dark' side. Right?

What do you mean as genocidal gods? Those ones which bring destroying floods and kill newborns? If yes, then I have to admit there was time when I thought the same. But later, a question emerged in my mind - if this god is 'evil' then why he promotes high moral standards?

 

[GreatestIam]

It is hard to keep things straight with the garbage that Christianity has made of it's myths.

GreatestIam, you are a very wise fellow so help me out, clearly you are not a Christian; so what faith do you follow-?

Last but not least, what “myths” do you refer too-?

Thanks in advance

-

I am a Gnostic Christian.

I was referring to the Christian myth of Yahweh and Jesus. The bible.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Newtonian
I have a question. Can God create a perfect world if he decides to do so?

Look around.

This is the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world.

Heaven is a good analogy.

This is irrefutable.

Regards
DL

Damn it! Why are you all referring to our world? I didn't mean our world, I consider our world to be an excellent place.

Forget about our world, forget about what you personally think to be perfect. There is nothing. And now God decides to create a perfect world. 'Perfect' in his 'imagination' and no one can actually describe what this means. But he wants it to be 'perfect', what he decides it to be.

Now, a question. Is God capable to create such a world?

If you think that God owns such feature as omniscience, then don't bother to answer the question. My question was aimed at a particular poster.

The only omni Yahweh is, is omni-absent.

If he was here, he would deserve the bullet I have with his vile name on it.

Regards
DL

You contradict yourself. Some time ago, in another thread you wrote that 'light' and 'dark' sides are working in cooperation like Yin and Yang.

Obviously, you consider God of the OT to be a 'dark' side. But, your stance toward him is irrational because he is a part of duet which made all things happen.

Show the moral rationality of thinking that a genocidal character, man or god, is good.

All genocidal gods are pricks. Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

First of all, let's clarify - you think that 'dark' and 'light' sides cooperate. And thanks to this cooperation our world came to existence. And God of OT represents the 'dark' side. Right?

What do you mean as genocidal gods? Those ones which bring destroying floods and kill newborns? If yes, then I have to admit there was time when I thought the same. But later, a question emerged in my mind - if this god is 'evil' then why he promotes high moral standards?

High moral standards???

Like what? Genocide, infanticide, homophobia and misogyny?

If you think those to be high moral tenets, you are not a moral thinker.

The way we analyze the myth, Yahweh is a high order prick. Satan saved mankind from being stupid and not having a moral sense. Yahweh wanted to stop them from the education/knowledge that ended their mental blindness, as the myth shows, and gave us our moral sense.

In Gnostic Christianity we put man above god as we know that all the gods are man made.

Who is your god?

Regards
DL

 

[barn sour]

Literalists are so immoral that they do not care how they make Jesus look.

Are you one of the immoral ones and a moral coward?

If not, come and chat on morals.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

Regards
DL

Dang, you are one sick puppy. Just kidding. I'm sure you aren't sick - just in error.

Man was never "unjustly" condemned in the first place. Where you got that idea I'll never know. You quote the law and the prophets, but you skip the part where each man is not only responsible for his own sin, but will die because he is incapable of being righteous on his own. It's the Law that condemns us. For instance -
Ezek. 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

As James tells us - James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Also we know that "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 3:23

So, since all men sin and are justly condemned by the Law of God, a Saviour was required. And the part you really miss is that God, HIMSELF, came down and shed His own blood on the cross to provide HIMSELF as the "lamb" to pay the price for man's sin. It's actually very wise of God to set this whole plan up. Man was created to trust and rely on his Creator.

 

[barn sour]

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done(when it comes) on Earth as it is in Heaven. Be patient.Satan runs this shithole. Look around.
He offered the whole thing to Yeshua.....and got laughed at.

That's not what the Good Book says, Likkmee. When God's kingdom comes into your life, you gain a sense of trying harder to bring brotherly love into the lives of others. And yes, belief that God is will pick you up when you fall helps you keep his dear kingdom inside you. Jesus did not laugh at the fallen Satan, but rebuked him with the Aramaic words for "Get thee behind me, Satan."

Only a high grade fool will ignore all the hate that Christianity continues to inflict on all women and gays with their vile homophonic and misogynous teachings.

Mainstream religions should get behind us as they are satanic.

Regards
DL

Ah, so you see hate everywhere it seems. Of course you know that man was created with a conscience to know right from wrong - I'm assuming. So when I point out it's wrong to molest children you must be assuming I hate those who do wrong. When I point out that it's wrong to have sex with one's own sex, you must be assuming I hate gays. That alone proves you don't know what you're talking about. Besides the fact that even Nancy Pelosi claims to be a Christian.

 

[barn sour]

Murdered?

Is suicide a sin?

Regards
DL

You'd have to look in the Old Testament if you want a list of sins. We live in the age of Grace, so why are you even asking?

 

[GreatestIam]

Literalists are so immoral that they do not care how they make Jesus look.

Are you one of the immoral ones and a moral coward?

If not, come and chat on morals.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

Regards
DL

Dang, you are one sick puppy. Just kidding. I'm sure you aren't sick - just in error.

Man was never "unjustly" condemned in the first place. Where you got that idea I'll never know. You quote the law and the prophets, but you skip the part where each man is not only responsible for his own sin, but will die because he is incapable of being righteous on his own. It's the Law that condemns us. For instance -
Ezek. 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

As James tells us - James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Also we know that "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 3:23

So, since all men sin and are justly condemned by the Law of God, a Saviour was required. And the part you really miss is that God, HIMSELF, came down and shed His own blood on the cross to provide HIMSELF as the "lamb" to pay the price for man's sin. It's actually very wise of God to set this whole plan up. Man was created to trust and rely on his Creator.

You missed the moral issues.

You are a moral coward.

Strange though that you think god can die. Especially given that a sacrifice that does not stay dead is just another piece of your con and lies.

You would not teach yur children to abdicate their responsibilities and here you are doing just that.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done(when it comes) on Earth as it is in Heaven. Be patient.Satan runs this shithole. Look around.
He offered the whole thing to Yeshua.....and got laughed at.

That's not what the Good Book says, Likkmee. When God's kingdom comes into your life, you gain a sense of trying harder to bring brotherly love into the lives of others. And yes, belief that God is will pick you up when you fall helps you keep his dear kingdom inside you. Jesus did not laugh at the fallen Satan, but rebuked him with the Aramaic words for "Get thee behind me, Satan."

Only a high grade fool will ignore all the hate that Christianity continues to inflict on all women and gays with their vile homophonic and misogynous teachings.

Mainstream religions should get behind us as they are satanic.

Regards
DL

Ah, so you see hate everywhere it seems. Of course you know that man was created with a conscience to know right from wrong - I'm assuming. So when I point out it's wrong to molest children you must be assuming I hate those who do wrong. When I point out that it's wrong to have sex with one's own sex, you must be assuming I hate gays. That alone proves you don't know what you're talking about. Besides the fact that even Nancy Pelosi claims to be a Christian.

Not everywhere because in the countries that have less religiosity, stats are showing that they are more law abiding and peaceful.

Where religion is claimed to be strong, like the U.S., you see the highest incarceration and abortion in the world. I think there might be one country worse.

many Americans claim to be Christian, but if I go by the standard Jesus himself set, there is not one real Christian with faith or belief in the whole of the U.S.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Murdered?

Is suicide a sin?

Regards
DL

You'd have to look in the Old Testament if you want a list of sins. We live in the age of Grace, so why are you even asking?

I wanted your opinion, but if you are unable to give it without instructions from a genocidal god, then you religion has failed to educate you.

There are so many of you moral cowards around.

Regards
DL

 

[barn sour]

Pharaoh's heart was already hard.

More lies.

If his heart was hard enough, then Yahweh would not have bothered.

Your need to lie is making you stupid.

Regards
DL

God is long-suffering, but he can see clearly when a man's conscience has been seared. He makes known His plans before He executes them - as He does here. You'll see examples of this throughout Scripture. This is known as justice. It's also "documentation" of what man deserves and receives from the Lord.

Zech. 7:9-13
Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart. But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts. Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the Lord of hosts:

I could give you some practical life examples if you'd like them.

 

[barn sour]

Literalists are so immoral that they do not care how they make Jesus look.

Are you one of the immoral ones and a moral coward?

If not, come and chat on morals.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

Regards
DL

Dang, you are one sick puppy. Just kidding. I'm sure you aren't sick - just in error.

Man was never "unjustly" condemned in the first place. Where you got that idea I'll never know. You quote the law and the prophets, but you skip the part where each man is not only responsible for his own sin, but will die because he is incapable of being righteous on his own. It's the Law that condemns us. For instance -
Ezek. 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

As James tells us - James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Also we know that "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 3:23

So, since all men sin and are justly condemned by the Law of God, a Saviour was required. And the part you really miss is that God, HIMSELF, came down and shed His own blood on the cross to provide HIMSELF as the "lamb" to pay the price for man's sin. It's actually very wise of God to set this whole plan up. Man was created to trust and rely on his Creator.

You missed the moral issues.

You are a moral coward.

Strange though that you think god can die. Especially given that a sacrifice that does not stay dead is just another piece of your con and lies.

You would not teach yur children to abdicate their responsibilities and here you are doing just that.

Regards
DL

Jesus Christ was no mere man. He was, and is, God and man. I realize that's a hard concept for some men to grasp, but it's the Truth, nonetheless.

You're clearly a humanist and refuse to accept that you are a mere mortal who will one day bow before the Great Throne and bow before our Great God and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. I can sense you have a great deal of unrest and even hate in your heart...why do you insist on resisting Him?

 

[barn sour]

Murdered?

Is suicide a sin?

Regards
DL

You'd have to look in the Old Testament if you want a list of sins. We live in the age of Grace, so why are you even asking?

I wanted your opinion, but if you are unable to give it without instructions from a genocidal god, then you religion has failed to educate you.

There are so many of you moral cowards around.

Regards
DL

And this right here is a good example of a hard heart.
God didn't have to do a thing. You did that all by yourself.

 

[ESay]

moral standards???

Like what? Genocide, infanticide, homophobia and misogyny?

If you think those to be high moral tenets, you are not a moral thinker.

Treat others the same I want to be treated, respect my parents, to judge others just, not to deceive, not to spread hearsay. That is just from the top of my head.

Homophobia? May be. But tell me when I am ordered to genocide and infanticide?

The way we analyze the myth, Yahweh is a high order prick. Satan saved mankind from being stupid and not having a moral sense. Yahweh wanted to stop them from the education/knowledge that ended their mental blindness, as the myth shows, and gave us our moral sense.

I doubt it. If we take it that God is omnipotent and omniscient, then he knew full well about the consequences of putting 'the tree' there. And the tree was put there on purpose.

In Gnostic Christianity we put man above god as we know that all the gods are man made.

Who is your god?

I don't know. I am still searching. Who is yours? What does your belief tell you about cosmology and creation and where is it written?

Why don't you answer on my questions? You feel some sense of insecurity?