Capital-communism

[rupol2000]

I think people are disoriented. Communism is not opposed to capitalism, but is its final stage, turning into slavery. This happens when monopoly reaches its highest limit and all means of production end up in the same hands of a pack of predators. In the 1920s, they were the Bolsheviks.
In fact, both formations are opposed by true socialism, which stood on the ideas of anarchism, Proudhonism and corporatism.

 

[rupol2000]

The ideologues of communism themselves thought so. Marx and others.

 

[harmonica]

.communism = Cambodia, Cuba, Russia, US Dems-leftists/ etc = enable and support laziness/stupidity/etc ...take from the hard working/smart/etc and give to the lazy/stupid/etc

 

[rupol2000]

.communism = Cambodia, Cuba, Russia, US Dems-leftists/ etc = enable and support laziness/stupidity/etc ...take from the hard working/smart/etc and give to the lazy/stupid/etc

this is also no different from capitalism. Take from the disenfranchised proletarians and give to owners of capital

 

[Anomalism]

this is also no different from capitalism.

No different, huh?

 

[rupol2000]

The real difference between capitalism and communism is only that communism does not allow the proletarian to change his place of work and place of residence. That is, the market sale of labor is canceled, and a transition to a slave-owning formation takes place.

 

[harmonica]

rupol2000 ok

 

[Anomalism]

The real difference between capitalism and communism is only that communism does not allow the proletarian to change his place of work and place of residence. That is, the market sale of labor is canceled, and a transition to a slave-owning formation takes place.

So what's your solution?

 

[rupol2000]

So what's your solution?

Proudhon saw it in private ownership of the means of production with limited alienation rights, in order to avoid speculative redistribution. In other words, capital must not be allowed to be concentrated in one hand, and it must not be allowed that there was someone without private ownership of the means of production.
it was called true socialism, or petty bourgeois capitalism in Bolshevik terms.

 

[Moonglow]

So what's your solution?

A new consumer base provided to space aliens to enlarge the market share.

 

[rupol2000]

A new consumer base provided to space aliens to enlarge the market share.

it can simply be called a sale, I don’t know how it is correct in English.
For example, if after privatization 100% of the votes are from the workers, then after the purchase of 50% + 1 share, the enterprise goes under the control of the holder of the package.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Proudhon saw it in private ownership of the means of production with limited alienation rights, in order to avoid speculative redistribution. In other words, capital must not be allowed to be concentrated in one hand, and it must not be allowed that there was someone without private ownership of the means of production.
it was called true socialism, or petty bourgeois capitalism in Bolshevik terms.

Interesting. Anti-trust legislation taken to its natural limit.

it can simply be called a sale, I don’t know how it is correct in English.
For example, if after privatization 100% of the votes are from the workers, then after the purchase of 50% + 1 share, the enterprise goes under the control of the holder of the package.

Here we provide places like the CIA, NSA, and U.S. Chamber of Commerce where active oligarchs of George Carlin's "Big Club" may quietly hang out without drawing undue attention to themselves and their hand picked lackeys. For example, check out this turd:

ALI Must Retract its Restatement on Copyright

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, countless people have found solace and even joy in the creative output of musicians, filmmakers, video-game creators, artists, and performers. While these creators’ individual innovations are unique, their dependence on copyright unites them. Copyright...

www.uschamber.com

FRANK CULLEN
Vice President of U.S. Intellectual Property Policy

Yep, there's apparently this place now called "U.S. Intellectual Property Policy" and lucky Frank's been selected to vice-run it. Say what? Public? Private? Doesn't matter. Who cares? Clearly above our pay grade. What's ALI?

About ALI | American Law Institute

The American Law Institute is the leading independent organization in the United States producing scholarly work to clarify, modernize, and otherwise improve the law.

www.ali.org

Horrors!

 

[MisterBeale]

this is also no different from capitalism. Take from the disenfranchised proletarians and give to owners of capital

 

[MisterBeale]

If they really are no different? Then how about we stick with small government, and a free market.. . .

Civil rights and Civil Liberties?

 

[rupol2000]

Civil rights and Civil Liberties?

This is a slightly different but related question. The dictate of monopoly capital also leads to the restriction of freedoms, but until he feels confident enough he will play democracy. The vector will be the same here. The question is also who will be the monopolist, if these are national elites, then they will be more supportive of the people.

 

[MisterBeale]

This is a slightly different but related question. The dictate of monopoly capital also leads to the restriction of freedoms, but until he feels confident enough he will play democracy. The vector will be the same here. The question is also who will be the monopolist, if these are national elites, then they will be more supportive of the people.

That's called Dirigisme. It has already gone international. That's what underpins the entire international system, the World Economic Forum, all the international institutions, the UN, you name it. Pretty much full blown global fascism. All they need to cement complete control is to convince the global populations that global issues like climate change, pandemics, and terrorism necessitate a global tax, which will put teeth behind and enforcement mechanism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The only real way to stop it is not with more government, but less. Not with more international control, but more local control.

Not with less liberty by more liberty.

 

[Ringo]

For 30 years, the soviet communists built a powerful economy, carried out industrialization and collectivization, defeated a united Europe, ruled over half of the world, gave everyone a roof over their heads, education and health care for free.
Over the course of 30 years, russian marketers have found out that the communists are ineffective ...

 

[rupol2000]

For 30 years, the soviet communists built a powerful economy, carried out industrialization and collectivization, defeated a united Europe, ruled over half of the world, gave everyone a roof over their heads, education and health care for free.
Over the course of 30 years, russian marketers have found out that the communists are ineffective ...

These are all lies. Industrialization was carried out with the money of the West, with the involvement of Western specialists, financing and technology, the Bolsheviks supplied only raw materials and labor. The country was in a state of slavery, tens of millions were ruined in the GULAGs, including the elderly, women and children, who were involved in political charges.
There was no real economic growth except for the military-industrial complex, there was not even housing construction and rural electrification, people lived like pigs in barracks. It is not known what kind of "education" there were, but people of that time, even in the late USSR, could not write and read. Stalin introduced paid education, but even when it was formally free, no one studied except urban residents, and the country was 80% PEASANT.

EVEN IF ACCEPT THAT THE SYSTEM OF MAXIMUM EXPLOITATION OF SLAVES FOR THE DIRTY LEFT INTERESTS IS AN "EFFECTIVE", THIS IS NOT EASIER FOR SLAVES THEMSELVS

 

[Ringo]

These are all lies. Industrialization was carried out with the money of the West, with the involvement of Western specialists, financing and technology, the Bolsheviks supplied only raw materials and labor. The country was in a state of slavery, tens of millions were ruined in the GULAGs, including the elderly, women and children, who were involved in political charges.
There was no real economic growth except for the military-industrial complex, there was not even housing construction and rural electrification, people lived like pigs in barracks. It is not known what kind of "education" there were, but people of that time, even in the late USSR, could not write and read. Stalin introduced paid education, but even when it was formally free, no one studied except urban residents, and the country was 80% PEASANT.

Pile of lying shit. Right of the ministry of propaganda, only for some reason the racial inferiority of the russian ungtermensch is not mentioned. You don't have to be be ashamed to use it anymore, the USSR is gone, no need to pretend to be philanthropic and humanistic and you can openly show your fashist mug.

 

[rupol2000]

Pile of lying shit. Right of the ministry of propaganda, only for some reason the racial inferiority of the russian ungtermensch is not mentioned. You don't have to be be ashamed to use it anymore, the USSR is gone, no need to pretend to be philanthropic and humanistic and you can openly show your fashist mug.

Duty argument of red liers who have nothing else to justify their crimes. I'll tell you a secret: the red bastard was the Nazis, they exterminated part of the peoples, including physically. Precisely on a national basis.
Not to mention the "innocent" forced relocations, separations, renaming, terror.
For example, the Kalmyks were resettled from the Don to the lower reaches of the Volga, almost half of the Tajiks were Uzbekized, the Volga Bulgars were renamed Tatars, the Adyghe were called Circassians, some Caucasians were resettled to the Cossack settlements of the Terek region, and so on.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.