Case closed, Zimmerman's a gonner

[testarosa]

Key statement:

Defense claims that the Investigator played back the scream tape to Martin's Father and asked "Is that your son?"

Mr. Martin replied while lowering his head, "No, that's not my son."

It was also made clear that Mr. Martin and his lawyer did not ask to hear the recording again.

Lot of the sting coming out of the prosecutions boohooing leg to stand on right now.

 

[testarosa]

Angela Corey must have kicked her boys to start doing something.

 

[Sarah G]

We got to pay 70,000 for the state's Reich software selling idiot to dick around with the 911 tape for 700 hours and then not be allowed to testify.

WOOT! Just add it to the tab.

Insult to injury eh?

Yeah no sh!t. lol If you're going to spend 70k, let us pick the expert.

Uhm, nobody is letting you whackos pick anything.

 

[Dot Com]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

Means he's doing his job.
GZ is going to walk.

 

[Dot Com]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

Means he's doing his job.
GZ is going to walk.

it means GZ's counsel broke the rules for closing arguments 4X in less than 5 minutes. IOW- he's grasping.

 

[koshergrl]

It's funny that the leftwads think that panache, not fact, is the key to defense.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

Means he's doing his job.
GZ is going to walk.

it means GZ's counsel broke the rules for closing arguments 4X in less than 5 minutes. IOW- he's grasping.

Nope. They always try and get one by. It you're not? You're not trying hard enough.

 

[LilOlLady]

I heard he is getting 50 years for killing that unarmed kid.

We can all hope...

I heard he committed no crime because he acted in self-defense and will go free.

Depends on what the jury does.

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Florida Self-Defense Laws

Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I heard he committed no crime because he acted in self-defense and will go free.

Depends on what the jury does.

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Florida Self-Defense Laws

Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Tell you what...how about you let someone break your nose,bash your head into the concrete repeatedly and then ask yourself ....is my life in danger?

 

[Ernie S.]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

Means he's doing his job.
GZ is going to walk.

it means GZ's counsel broke the rules for closing arguments 4X in less than 5 minutes. IOW- he's grasping.

Closing arguments???? Put DOWN the bong, Dorothy.

 

[Ernie S.]

I heard he committed no crime because he acted in self-defense and will go free.

Depends on what the jury does.

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Florida Self-Defense Laws

Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Getting your head smashed into the pavement is deadly force. THAT one won't work. What else you got?

 

[testarosa]

DANGIT I've got 6 kids in my pool, someone put the highlights up here or on the other thread.

 

[Esmeralda]

Depends on what the jury does.

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Florida Self-Defense Laws

Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Tell you what...how about you let someone break your nose,bash your head into the concrete repeatedly and then ask yourself ....is my life in danger?

His head was not bashed into concrete repeatedly. He had some scrapes. No concussion, not even a mild concussion. His nose was not broken. He did not have the legal right to use deadly force because his life was not on the line. It was a scuffle, a school yard fist fight.

 

[Sarah G]

I heard he committed no crime because he acted in self-defense and will go free.

Depends on what the jury does.

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Florida Self-Defense Laws

Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Because he was afraid when Travon started screaming. It made him skittish, he made a bad decision, he panicked..

He never should have had a gun in the first place.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The defense just successfully proved that Trayvon Martin did not go home after running from Zimmerman. He hid in the darkness. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman what his home address is, and he almost gives it before stopping himself, and saying "Oh, crap, I don't know where this kid is." The call between Martin and Chantelle (sp?) had been going on right as Martin fled. He made it clear that Martin had plenty of time to go home, but he chose to confront Zimmerman. This is convincing for those of us who choose to remain objective in the matter.

TK will argue one has the right in public to confront someone who is a threat to him.

Templar is suggesting that TM did not, however, have the right to confront GZ if he felt threatened?

Templar, think your logic through, huh.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.


Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Tell you what...how about you let someone break your nose,bash your head into the concrete repeatedly and then ask yourself ....is my life in danger?

His head was not bashed into concrete repeatedly. He had some scrapes. No concussion, not even a mild concussion. His nose was not broken. He did not have the legal right to use deadly force because his life was not on the line. It was a scuffle, a school yard fist fight.

LOL!! His skull hit the concrete hard enough to split the skin and leave knots,are you daft?
Or have you not been listening? Keep in mind they have photos.

This is going to be over before it gets started.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GZ panicked, pure and simple, and took a man's life because he made the wrong decision to follow TM.

 

[koshergrl]

Depends on what the meaning of self defense is.


Why didn't Zimmerman use physical force instead of deadly force?

Tell you what...how about you let someone break your nose,bash your head into the concrete repeatedly and then ask yourself ....is my life in danger?

His head was not bashed into concrete repeatedly. He had some scrapes. No concussion, not even a mild concussion. His nose was not broken. He did not have the legal right to use deadly force because his life was not on the line. It was a scuffle, a school yard fist fight.

You are qualified to opine intelligently on this...how?

Have you ever worked in an ER? Have you worked with DV victims? Have you been knocked unconscious by another person?

No?

Then shut up. You're embarassing yourself. Though I know that is nothing unusual, it's uncomfortable for those who actually do have some experience with the stuff you're blathering about.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The defense just successfully proved that Trayvon Martin did not go home after running from Zimmerman. He hid in the darkness. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman what his home address is, and he almost gives it before stopping himself, and saying "Oh, crap, I don't know where this kid is." The call between Martin and Chantelle (sp?) had been going on right as Martin fled. He made it clear that Martin had plenty of time to go home, but he chose to confront Zimmerman. This is convincing for those of us who choose to remain objective in the matter.

TK will argue one has the right in public to confront someone who is a threat to him.

Templar is suggesting that TM did not, however, have the right to confront GZ if he felt threatened?

Templar, think your logic through, huh.

TM can confront anyone he wants to..or use to be able to anyway.
He learned the hard way you dont confront someone with your fist.
The other guy just might have an ace up his sleeve.