Catholic hospital: Fetus is NOT a human being

[NYcarbineer]

This proves that businesses run by the Catholic church are not the church itself, and therefore are not entitled to religious freedom based exemptions from business laws.

 

[Noomi]

The Church ignores the law when it suits them, and uses it to avoid paying out a lawsuit.

How typical. It all comes down to money with them.

 

[MeBelle]

The lawyers for the hospital said the babies were not babies in accordance with State law.

The hospital did not claim the babies were not viable.

The State Law agreed with them.
Time to change the laws of the state???

FWIW-This is a tiny hospital, basically in the middle of nowhere, who happened to save my child's life.

but if they aren't "babies" for all purposes, doesn't that shoot their anti-choice arguments in the foot?

states can't give lesser protections than the federal government.

We don't have enough facts on this case.
For all we know the babies could have already been dead.
An autopsy report would be (gruesome) yet interesting.

 

[tinydancer]

Be very careful.

I'm not by your day by make, but I'd be seating it by you. Never ever thought I'd say that. Ever.

what?

I'm sayin!

No big smurf. Jillian is using her former mod powers. Piggy backer.

 

[auditor0007]

As for the hospital's potential liability, we are not given any information as to why this woman died and/or if there was any direct negligence committed by the hospital that led to her death. What I find hilarious though, is the fact that a Catholic Hospital would argue that these two babies that died were not human beings. I would agree with that assessment if the fetuses were in their early stages, but at 28 weeks, both could have survived outside the mother's womb given adequate care. Survivability of babies born at 27 to 28 weeks is over 95% today. I really don't see how any hospital could claim that these fetuses were not viable. Worse yet, is the fact that the court agreed with them.

The lawyers for the hospital said the babies were not babies in accordance with State law.

The hospital did not claim the babies were not viable.

The State Law agreed with them.
Time to change the laws of the state???

FWIW-This is a tiny hospital, basically in the middle of nowhere, who happened to save my child's life.

but if they aren't "babies" for all purposes, doesn't that shoot their anti-choice arguments in the foot?

states can't give lesser protections than the federal government.

So the end argument is that state law should allow for the abortion of any fetus regardless how long into the pregnancy. Two days before the due date, state law says it's not a baby, so a woman could still abort it. Just goes to prove how many of our laws are completely fucked up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person - CNN.com

Well, this is certainly interesting. With all the talk that has so often come from the church about how voting for pro-choice candidates is a sin, etc, now the church wants to hide behind the convenience of saying that a fetus is actually not a human being after all. This is almost as bad as Obama calling for a gun ban while surrounded by dozens of armed guards.

The wrongfulness of the death aside, how can a Catholic hospital justifiably make such an argument? With all the talk about employers providing birth control, the arguments there cannot be simultaneous maintained with the arguments there; if religious belief supposedly justify exclusions from the law then the church cannot argue legal technicalities that violate the same core beliefs.

I'll be interested to see how the larger church responds to this incident.

Really it's not a human being? What is it? A fish? Horse? Dog? Bird?

It's not person under the law where the law has not given it personhood status.

A woman who is pregnant is murdered why do they always add two counts of murder? When charges have been filed? Remember Scott Peterson murdering his pregnant wife

 

[Seawytch]

Really it's not a human being? What is it? A fish? Horse? Dog? Bird?

It's not person under the law where the law has not given it personhood status.

A woman who is pregnant is murdered why do they always add two counts of murder? When charges have been filed? Remember Scott Peterson murdering his pregnant wife

Because there is a difference between doing something to your own body and having it done to you.

Even the bible made a distinction.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

 

[jillian]

Really it's not a human being? What is it? A fish? Horse? Dog? Bird?

It's not person under the law where the law has not given it personhood status.

A woman who is pregnant is murdered why do they always add two counts of murder? When charges have been filed? Remember Scott Peterson murdering his pregnant wife

for the same reason government can't force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term...

NO ONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING TO YOUR BODY THAT YOU DON'T WANT DONE. No one else should have dominion over a woman's body... no matter how much reactionary religious type males want to punish the harlots.

it's not really complicated

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's not person under the law where the law has not given it personhood status.

A woman who is pregnant is murdered why do they always add two counts of murder? When charges have been filed? Remember Scott Peterson murdering his pregnant wife

for the same reason government can't force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term...

NO ONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING TO YOUR BODY THAT YOU DON'T WANT DONE. No one else should have dominion over a woman's body... no matter how much reactionary religious type males want to punish the harlots.

it's not really complicated

so when you were in your mother's womb you were "her".....?

and when you left her body you were just like another piece of shit....?

 

[Ravi]

A woman who is pregnant is murdered why do they always add two counts of murder? When charges have been filed? Remember Scott Peterson murdering his pregnant wife

for the same reason government can't force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term...

NO ONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING TO YOUR BODY THAT YOU DON'T WANT DONE. No one else should have dominion over a woman's body... no matter how much reactionary religious type males want to punish the harlots.

it's not really complicated

so when you were in your mother's womb you were "her".....?

and when you left her body you were just like another piece of shit....?

Stupid post is stupid.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

speaking of stupid....

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Why do the harlots want to punish unborn babies?

That's what I want to know.