Catholic hospital: Fetus is NOT a human being

[jillian]

As for the hospital's potential liability, we are not given any information as to why this woman died and/or if there was any direct negligence committed by the hospital that led to her death. What I find hilarious though, is the fact that a Catholic Hospital would argue that these two babies that died were not human beings. I would agree with that assessment if the fetuses were in their early stages, but at 28 weeks, both could have survived outside the mother's womb given adequate care. Survivability of babies born at 27 to 28 weeks is over 95% today. I really don't see how any hospital could claim that these fetuses were not viable. Worse yet, is the fact that the court agreed with them.

The lawyers for the hospital said the babies were not babies in accordance with State law.

The hospital did not claim the babies were not viable.

The State Law agreed with them.
Time to change the laws of the state???

FWIW-This is a tiny hospital, basically in the middle of nowhere, who happened to save my child's life.

but if they aren't "babies" for all purposes, doesn't that shoot their anti-choice arguments in the foot?

states can't give lesser protections than the federal government.

 

[Inthemiddle]

It’s perfectly appropriate, therefore, for the Church to argue facts of law in the case, and not religious dogma.

I would agree, if only they'd stay consistent.

 

[Greenbeard]

The lawyers for the hospital said the babies were not babies in accordance with State law.

They've also apparently said state law is not in conflict with the moral teachings of the Catholic Church.

Catholic Health Initiatives would not speak to CNN on camera, but said in a statement, "In this case... as Catholic organizations, (we) are in union with the moral teachings of the Church."

 

[Seawytch]

So the Catholic Church says a fetus isn't a human and some teatard in New Mexico says a fetus is "evidence" making it a thing not a person. Interesting...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Catholic Church's position on birth control in the Obamacare insurance mandate was that they should not have to follow a law that violates the religious teachings and conscience of the Church.

In this case, that sort of law saved them some money.

 

[Sallow]

The lawyers for the hospital said the babies were not babies in accordance with State law.

Doesn't the first amendment make their religious beliefs trump what the law would otherwise demand?

Probably not.

 

[Seawytch]

The Catholic Church's position on birth control in the Obamacare insurance mandate was that they should not have to follow a law that violates the religious teachings and conscience of the Church.

In this case, that sort of law saved them some money.

So in the end, money trumps everything. Color me surprised.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Kill your own now.

The provider class doesnt have to provide for it later.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The defense in every Catholic lawsuit against Obamacare needs to bring this case in as evidence to prove that the Church does not have a legitimate religious objection to church run businesses complying with laws that violate church teachings.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The defense in every Catholic lawsuit against Obamacare needs to bring this case in as evidence to prove that the Church does not have a legitimate religious objection to church run businesses complying with laws that violate church teachings.

Yes let the .gov rule on a church's legitimacy of their teachings

Separation is to be selectively used to further the agenda.

 

[Seawytch]

Kill your own now.

The provider class doesnt have to provide for it later.

That's how it was done in Jesus's day. They just left deformed babies to the elements to die.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Kill your own now.

The provider class doesn't have to provide for it later.

That's how it was done in Jesus's day. They just left deformed babies to the elements to die.

I dont care about Jesus day.

Mothers kill their own out of convenience .........not just the deformed.

 

[Seawytch]

Kill your own now.

The provider class doesn't have to provide for it later.

That's how it was done in Jesus's day. They just left deformed babies to the elements to die.

I dont care about Jesus day.

Mothers kill their own out of convenience .........not just the deformed.

Women get abortions. It's been happening since the beginning of time. The best way to prevent an abortion from happening? Prevent the pregnancy.

The best way to prevent the pregnancy? Education and science.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The best way to prevent the pregnancy? Education and science.

Or a condom.

Or to have sex inside the confines of your marriage where a pregnancy can be nurtured into productive citizens.

Minimal education. Maybe .1% Science involved.

 

[Seawytch]

The best way to prevent the pregnancy? Education and science.

Or a condom.

Or to have sex inside the confines of your marriage where a pregnancy can be nurtured into productive citizens.

Minimal education. Maybe .1% Science involved.

We don't have an abortion problem in this country, we have an abortion solution. The problem is unwanted pregnancy, period. The answer is not to outlaw abortion, but to increase education and access to birth control.

Abortion rates plummet with free birth control

Instead of picketing family planning clinics and killing doctors in their churches in front of their families, anti-choice folks should be helping people get birth control.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person - CNN.com

Well, this is certainly interesting. With all the talk that has so often come from the church about how voting for pro-choice candidates is a sin, etc, now the church wants to hide behind the convenience of saying that a fetus is actually not a human being after all. This is almost as bad as Obama calling for a gun ban while surrounded by dozens of armed guards.

The wrongfulness of the death aside, how can a Catholic hospital justifiably make such an argument? With all the talk about employers providing birth control, the arguments there cannot be simultaneous maintained with the arguments there; if religious belief supposedly justify exclusions from the law then the church cannot argue legal technicalities that violate the same core beliefs.

I'll be interested to see how the larger church responds to this incident.

Really it's not a human being? What is it? A fish? Horse? Dog? Bird?

 

[OODA_Loop]

We don't have an abortion problem in this country, we have an abortion solution. The problem is unwanted pregnancy, period. The answer is not to outlaw abortion, but to increase education and access to birth control.

Yes more education that unprotected sex comes with significant potential risk of unwanted pregnancy. People just don't know what sex does. Maybe some posters and youtubes.

We need more place to buy condoms. A .gov mandated dick bag dispensary in every restroom.

With enough tax money and the right authorities in place. Viola.

 

[Seawytch]

My goal is to have no abortions performed for any reason ever. The way I go about it is simply different (and proven more effective).

 

[OODA_Loop]

Instead of picketing family planning clinics and killing doctors in their churches in front of their families, anti-choice folks should be helping people get birth control.

Why yes exactly. Cause we all know the immense struggle it takes to get a condom.

Liberals can't even fuck without .gov assistance and conservative funding.

 

[Freewill]

That's how it was done in Jesus's day. They just left deformed babies to the elements to die.

I dont care about Jesus day.

Mothers kill their own out of convenience .........not just the deformed.

Women get abortions. It's been happening since the beginning of time. The best way to prevent an abortion from happening? Prevent the pregnancy.

The best way to prevent the pregnancy? Education and science.

In this day an age do you think we need to explain to children how babies are made? Really? What further education do you think they need to realize that pregnacy is not a punishment? I type that because how else would someone terminate a life if they didn't think it was a punishment? What exactly do you expect science to do?

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