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Not all who wander are lost
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When do they join the Body of Christ?We never tell our children they have to wait to join the Body of Christ. How odd that you would even think that.
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When do they join the Body of Christ?We never tell our children they have to wait to join the Body of Christ. How odd that you would even think that.
He is also righteous and just, and no one will enter His kingdom without the blood of Christ. You seem to think that most of humanity will be with God for eternity. How do you believe that when the default behavior of man is to rebel against God?No. I am suggesting you know what you heard is not true, and passing it along is no more fitting than gossip. Ignorance knows no bounds in any subject including any faith. Ignorance does not need a platform nor a microphone.
Catholic teaching is that when anyone dies, they are in the hands of a merciful and loving God.
Catholicism teaches the Way of Salvation as passed onto us by Christ and the Apostles. We are taught this Way of Salvation (living in the Kingdom) is an eternal way that extends beyond death. Catholics begin Kingdom living and the Way of Salvation today in this life--no waiting for death for entry into it. The Catholic Catechism is clear that it is her business the proclaim the good news and assist people in this life--it is not for any Church or any human to decide who enters heaven, as that judgment is for God alone--and that God is merciful and loving.
When they understand that they are sinful beings, want to be forgiven and have Jesus live within them. That can happen at any age, but certainly cannot happen to a newborn infant.When do they join the Body of Christ?
My "I don't know" is now read as I "seem to think most of humanity will be with God for eternity"? All I meant to convey is my own ignorance that I haven't the faintest idea. Still the default behavior of man to rebel vs the love of God...If these were sports teams I would be of the mind that the Love of God is the more powerful. I would be cheering on that team.You seem to think that most of humanity will be with God for eternity. How do you believe that when the default behavior of man is to rebel against God?
The invitation is there for all.
It is to know God, love God, and serve God--and to be happy with him.
From early childhood, I took all of this seriously. I began by seeking God, and I did meet him in my own life, a teensy part of of the world, and a microscopic particle of time. Studying the Bible (takes decades) is also a good way to learn about and come to know God. As a kid, I had a very difficult time loving God above all else. Seriously, I kept a list of those I loved...and there was God at the bottom. It took decades before he made it to the top. Serving God I found easiest. We're to help one another, which is much easier than the knowing and loving parts!Knowing God steps us into the Commandments, the Sacraments, the Beatitudes, Redemption, and Salvation...in other words we pick up our cross daily and follow him.I don't consider any of the above "musts". They are invitations, graces, life-lines that are ours in this redeemed world on our way to salvation.
Perhaps what I said was overlooked?I have to say you are leaving out a very important component.
In the Catholic faith every person has been redeemed. That mediation between God and humans was done for all. Can a redeemed person choose to stay with his/her captor? They could even when the price for their freedom has been paid. Perhaps your denomination defines redemption differently.some might falsely believe they are redeemed
I know these are both trueI have to say, you are as slippery as a greased pig. (lol...I'm sorry if that was blunt, but I had to say it.)
But I'm stubborn, so I'm not going to let you keep slipping away from answering the question
Seriously. Have you ever met a person of faith who was not born again into the Spirit? How did you judge this?Jesus clearly stated that we must be born again.
From at least the 3rd century onward Christians baptized infants as standard practice, although some preferred to postpone baptism until late in life so as to ensure forgiveness for all their preceding sins.Where does it show a child who doesn't even understand the concept of sin was ever baptized? Answer: it doesn't. Baptism is the outward manifestation of REPENTANCE. Babies don't repent. Most adults have never repented. As usual you make a lot of ASSumptions and read into the Bible what you'd like it to say.
So you don't believe everyone was redeemed through the blood of Christ?I am deadly serious. It sounds like you're saying that God will overlook sin and simply accept everyone into His house, in contradiction to Scripture. Is that what you believe?
Seriously. Have you ever met a person of faith who was not born again into the Spirit? How did you judge this?
God be merciful to me, a sinner...I'll put it this way.... I can think of a few relatives who are very devout and religious, who go to mass regularly, and they would definitely say they are people of faith. But at the same time, I see that even though they've been religious for basically their whole life, they don't obey God in many areas, they are very worldly (in other words just like anyone else out there) and there is no change and continual growth that I have seen in them, over the years. Also, they lack compassion and mercy, and are very prideful.
God be merciful to me, a sinner...
Mary is mentioned in Revelation, though not by name. In Revelation it speaks of the Birth of Christ and the woman who had to go into the desert.
But other than that, I don't want to get into end times stuff. That is not exactly my forte. Also, it is off topic somewhat
Infants are no exception since they are born with the corrupt nature due to the original sin. Therefore, infants are baptized to insure their salvation.
Water baptism doesn't save anyone.
And even though we've already gone over this many times...infant baptism is unbiblical.
As several people have already CLEARLY shown from the scriptures, water baptism is tied to belief and repentance, and a baby is incapable of understanding any of it, so in reality infant baptism is meaningless... it doesn't save the baby and infant baptism doesn't even symbolize salvation, since salvation involves a decision, and you can't make that decision for someone else.
The Coptic church founded in 42 AD has infant baptism. Why do you have such a problem with it?
By the power of the Holy Spirit?Water baptism is a symbolic outward expression of an actual inward change.
By the power of the Holy Spirit?