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Really? So when are these dumbass yokels going to stand up for every American who has had their homes and land seized by the US Federal government over some marijuana?No, it has to do with stupid motherfuckers thinking that they don't have to obey the laws of our nation.CaféAuLait;8963993 said:This has nothing to do with slavery.
Hatred is consuming you over cows eating grass.
Bundy was breaking the law, cops showed up to enforce the law, and then stupid fucking yokels who didn't know shit about the situation showed up with guns because they hate having a black President. That is all that happened here.
And when the cops backed off so as to avoid slaughtering all of the stupid fucking yokels like Confederate rebels, the stupid fucking yokels claimed it as a "victory". A "victory" for protecting a rich man's "right" to not obey the laws of this country.
Fuck Cliven Bundy and the "militia". I'll give those assholes some respect if they cross the border to storm the NSA data-mining headquarters in Utah and burn it to the ground. Let's see these dumb fuckwits actually try to take on the government over something that matters.
This whole episode was just a bunch of stupid yokels protecting a criminal.
We don't have to obey bad laws.
No, it has to do with stupid motherfuckers thinking that they don't have to obey the laws of our nation.CaféAuLait;8963993 said:This has nothing to do with slavery.More Confederates died, and with good reason. Slavers deserve to be butchered.
Hatred is consuming you over cows eating grass.
Bundy was breaking the law, cops showed up to enforce the law, and then stupid fucking yokels who didn't know shit about the situation showed up with guns because they hate having a black President. That is all that happened here.
And when the cops backed off so as to avoid slaughtering all of the stupid fucking yokels like Confederate rebels, the stupid fucking yokels claimed it as a "victory". A "victory" for protecting a rich man's "right" to not obey the laws of this country.
Fuck Cliven Bundy and the "militia". I'll give those assholes some respect if they cross the border to storm the NSA data-mining headquarters in Utah and burn it to the ground. Let's see these dumb fuckwits actually try to take on the government over something that matters.
This whole episode was just a bunch of stupid yokels protecting a criminal.
This potential for abuse is compounded by the strong financial incentive that law enforcement has to make seizures--since they benefit directly from forfeited property. It was the passage of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, part of the Reagan-era ramp-up in the war on drugs, that first made this possible. At a federal level, the law established two new forfeiture funds: one at the U.S. Department of Justice, which gets revenue from forfeitures done by agencies like the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and another now run by the U.S. Treasury, which gets revenue from agencies like Customs and the Coast Guard. These funds could now be used for forfeiture-related expenses, payments to informants, prison building, equipment purchase, and other general law enforcement purposes.
But equally important, local law enforcement would now get a piece of the pie. Within the 1984 Act was a provision for so-called "equitable sharing", which allows local law enforcement agencies to receive a portion of the net proceeds of forfeitures they help make under federal law--and under current policy, that can be up to 80%. Previously, seized assets had been handed over to the federal government in their entirety.
Immediately following passage of the Act, federal forfeitures increased dramatically. The amount of revenue deposited into the Department of Justice Assets Forfeiture Fund, for example, soared from $27 million in 1985 to $644 million in 1991--a more than twenty-fold increase. And as forfeitures increased, so did the amount of money flowing back to state and local law enforcement through equitable sharing.
Special Reports - Reining In Forfeiture | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS
This isn't a rebellion. It is just a bunch of right-wing assholes who don't know shit about anything showing up to defend a criminal who repeatedly disobeyed court orders.
As for the "Sagebrush Rebellion", fuck Ronald Reagan.
This potential for abuse is compounded by the strong financial incentive that law enforcement has to make seizures--since they benefit directly from forfeited property. It was the passage of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, part of the Reagan-era ramp-up in the war on drugs, that first made this possible. At a federal level, the law established two new forfeiture funds: one at the U.S. Department of Justice, which gets revenue from forfeitures done by agencies like the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and another now run by the U.S. Treasury, which gets revenue from agencies like Customs and the Coast Guard. These funds could now be used for forfeiture-related expenses, payments to informants, prison building, equipment purchase, and other general law enforcement purposes.
But equally important, local law enforcement would now get a piece of the pie. Within the 1984 Act was a provision for so-called "equitable sharing", which allows local law enforcement agencies to receive a portion of the net proceeds of forfeitures they help make under federal law--and under current policy, that can be up to 80%. Previously, seized assets had been handed over to the federal government in their entirety.
Immediately following passage of the Act, federal forfeitures increased dramatically. The amount of revenue deposited into the Department of Justice Assets Forfeiture Fund, for example, soared from $27 million in 1985 to $644 million in 1991--a more than twenty-fold increase. And as forfeitures increased, so did the amount of money flowing back to state and local law enforcement through equitable sharing.
Special Reports - Reining In Forfeiture | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS
An extension of the older controversy of state vs. federal powers, Sagebrush Rebels wanted the federal government to give more control of federally owned Western lands to state and local authorities.
and reagan increased the overreach of government to expand the drug war.caféaulait;8964076 said:sagebrush rebellion was going on far before reagan became president. It is a rebellion about over reaching government.
an extension of the older controversy of state vs. Federal powers, sagebrush rebels wanted the federal government to give more control of federally owned western lands to state and local authorities.
sagebrush rebellion - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not sure why drugs have a thing to do with bundy.
and reagan increased the overreach of government to expand the drug war.caféaulait;8964076 said:sagebrush rebellion was going on far before reagan became president. It is a rebellion about over reaching government.
an extension of the older controversy of state vs. Federal powers, sagebrush rebels wanted the federal government to give more control of federally owned western lands to state and local authorities.
sagebrush rebellion - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not sure why drugs have a thing to do with bundy.
CaféAuLait;8963993 said:More Confederates died, and with good reason. Slavers deserve to be butchered.
This has nothing to do with slavery.
Hatred is consuming you over cows eating grass.
Abuse of Bundy?
I knew this would just get worse...you give the freeloaders a break, they just want more and more and more.
No, it has to do with stupid motherfuckers thinking that they don't have to obey the laws of our nation.CaféAuLait;8963993 said:This has nothing to do with slavery.More Confederates died, and with good reason. Slavers deserve to be butchered.
Hatred is consuming you over cows eating grass.
They can't take it back since they never had it. This land belonged to the federal government before these states join the union. This is acknowledged in the states constitution. In fact Nevada specific stated, "Nevada agreed to "forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands"The federal abuse of Cliven Bundy had an unexpected turn as states started evaluating just how much of state land the federal government controls and plans to take their states back.
Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover | The Salt Lake Tribune
Its time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utahs Capitol on Friday.
More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.
Now that states are looking into federal management, they are seeing that the federal government doesn't do a very good job of it.
OWS is, in part, a protest against the rich being above the law for all practical purposes.
The "cattle battle" was a protest to protect a rich man's continual opinion that he is above the law.
That's the major difference in conservative opinion I see here. If a poor person, a OWS protester for example, takes part in a protest "the authorities" do not approve of they are to be forcibly removed and punished (yay cops). If a rich man, say a rancher, decides on a course of civil disobedience then he is to be protected (boo cops).
Civil disobedience can be righteous thing when it is done for the good of all but in this case it's a selfish impulse that benefits no one except one man. Those dummies could have ended up shot and for what? Another man's cows, nothing is more frightening than stupid in action.
