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CDC: 'Ebola is Spiraling Out of Control'

JimBowie1958

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This is from the CDC Director, Ebola is spiraling out of control.

CDC Director Ebola Outbreak 8216 Is Spiraling Out Of Control 8217 CBS Atlanta

Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”
Frieden, who visited Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, will tell Washington tomorrow that the Ebola outbreak is “spiraling upward.” The CDC director explained that these countries still need help to deal with the deadly outbreak.

Here an American doctor contracted the disease and was NOT treating Ebola patients.

An American missionary doctor in Liberia who was not treating Ebola patients has tested positive for the virus, SIM USA confirmed.
The unidentified doctor was treating obstetrics patients at SIM’s ELWA hospital in Monrovia, the organization said in a news release.
The doctor was treating patients in the main hospital, which is separate from ELWA’s Ebola isolation unit. It is not yet known how he contracted the virus..
 
This is from the CDC Director, Ebola is spiraling out of control.

CDC Director Ebola Outbreak 8216 Is Spiraling Out Of Control 8217 CBS Atlanta

Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”
Frieden, who visited Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, will tell Washington tomorrow that the Ebola outbreak is “spiraling upward.” The CDC director explained that these countries still need help to deal with the deadly outbreak.

Here an American doctor contracted the disease and was NOT treating Ebola patients.

An American missionary doctor in Liberia who was not treating Ebola patients has tested positive for the virus, SIM USA confirmed.
The unidentified doctor was treating obstetrics patients at SIM’s ELWA hospital in Monrovia, the organization said in a news release.
The doctor was treating patients in the main hospital, which is separate from ELWA’s Ebola isolation unit. It is not yet known how he contracted the virus..

it was only a matter of time that Ebola would hit an area with a population density conducive to a longer term maintenance of the outbreak compared to more rural settings.

They can't control people leaving the areas with the virus, so it continues to spread. The sheer number of people being treated increases the risks of health professionals contracting the disease. The government's lack of sophistication when it comes to quarantining populations is the final nail in the coffin.

There is a good chance that this will somehow make it to the US or Europe uncontrolled, and when it does it will be time to see if our governments are up to the task of keeping it from spreading.
 
Ebola is cleaning up Africa, leave it alone.

I'd lock the fucking place down and let it do its thing. Either it does that or the Africans wise up and use science to survive.

It isn't our job to give a fuck.

Matthew, the medical establishment is already using science, and it is incredibly ignorant for you to suggest that they are not.

And the world has to get involved here and put a stop to this disease. It is growing exponentially, as this man observed here...
The Bizarre Growth of the Ebola Outbreak This Graph Says It All The Daily Sheeple
The spread of the disease is so fast that he has begun to suspect that the disease has mutated into a form that can go airborne.

The case of the last American doctor to get the disease that I linked to above, and another of an earlier permutation of this same Ebola strain that had some monkeys get the disease from near by pigs with no direct contact suggests this disease can be spread through the air in some fashion. From Pigs to Monkeys Ebola Goes Airborne HealthMap

An airborne virus with a 55% death rate that is spreading exponentially is a very serious concern, wouldn't you think? I have discussed this with two doctors who have read a good deal on Ebola and they both said that if it got beyond a thousand cases it would be very hard to control. If it mutated to an airborne variety and showed exponential growth then the more people it reached the less likely it would be contained. Bot said that if it got out of control in a large nation like Nigeria containment to Just Africa would be unlikely given all the travel to and from Lagos just three steps out. It is virtually the entire planet.

The time to beat that disease is NOW before it causes a collapse in the morale of the health care industry of these countries. If the medical professionals start to quit their jobs in Nigeria, that is bad news for everyone not just Africans.

This disease has the potential to be truly apocalyptic. The Black Plague only had like a 30% mortality rate.
 
This is from the CDC Director, Ebola is spiraling out of control.

CDC Director Ebola Outbreak 8216 Is Spiraling Out Of Control 8217 CBS Atlanta

Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”
Frieden, who visited Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, will tell Washington tomorrow that the Ebola outbreak is “spiraling upward.” The CDC director explained that these countries still need help to deal with the deadly outbreak.

Here an American doctor contracted the disease and was NOT treating Ebola patients.

An American missionary doctor in Liberia who was not treating Ebola patients has tested positive for the virus, SIM USA confirmed.
The unidentified doctor was treating obstetrics patients at SIM’s ELWA hospital in Monrovia, the organization said in a news release.
The doctor was treating patients in the main hospital, which is separate from ELWA’s Ebola isolation unit. It is not yet known how he contracted the virus..

it was only a matter of time that Ebola would hit an area with a population density conducive to a longer term maintenance of the outbreak compared to more rural settings.

They can't control people leaving the areas with the virus, so it continues to spread. The sheer number of people being treated increases the risks of health professionals contracting the disease. The government's lack of sophistication when it comes to quarantining populations is the final nail in the coffin.

There is a good chance that this will somehow make it to the US or Europe uncontrolled, and when it does it will be time to see if our governments are up to the task of keeping it from spreading.

Yeah, just getting the government to consider the disease to be a greater threat than panic itself will be a challenge.

Look at the divergence in just two stories.

Here some anonymous experts at the CDC tell National Geographic ( well known sensationalist anti-Obama site /s) that the disease will likely reach the US. CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Then a few days later we see this story: CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Yes, we *can* stop Ebola from spreading in the sense that this is within the range of plausible outcomes, but then again, so is the complete collapse of our medical system too. If we cant stop MRSA from spreading, how in the hell can we stop an airborne virus (if it has mutated into such)?

We are still in the early stages of this outbreak, it would appear, the government "lying to prevent panic" stage, when we read of the disease causing so much death in Nigeria that the medical professionals start quitting their jobs then were are in the critical watershed whether this thing will be beaten or not, and when the government starts admitting the truth, it is time to buy lots of food and water and hunker down in the basement for a few months, lol.
 
Yeah, just getting the government to consider the disease to be a greater threat than panic itself will be a challenge.

Look at the divergence in just two stories.

Here some anonymous experts at the CDC tell National Geographic ( well known sensationalist anti-Obama site /s) that the disease will likely reach the US. CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Then a few days later we see this story: CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Yes, we *can* stop Ebola from spreading in the sense that this is within the range of plausible outcomes, but then again, so is the complete collapse of our medical system too. If we cant stop MRSA from spreading, how in the hell can we stop an airborne virus (if it has mutated into such)?

We are still in the early stages of this outbreak, it would appear, the government "lying to prevent panic" stage, when we read of the disease causing so much death in Nigeria that the medical professionals start quitting their jobs then were are in the critical watershed whether this thing will be beaten or not, and when the government starts admitting the truth, it is time to buy lots of food and water and hunker down in the basement for a few months, lol.

If you get a breakdown of medical services and the people start going into bunker mode, the disease will actually limit itself. What you don't want is panic flight, which would spread the disease even further. Medical treatment that doesn't take the proper precautions also is a spread factor.

In US treatment, you would see every single person in the hospital in at least a minimum of protective gear, with anyone in an Ebola Ward in Space Suits. We would also be able to provide Isolation observation of people who were in contact with victims at a far more hospitable and controllable setting. Instead of lumping all the potential vectors into a sort of camp or dorm, each of THEM would be isolated and separated, further preventing the spread of this.
 
Yeah, just getting the government to consider the disease to be a greater threat than panic itself will be a challenge.

Look at the divergence in just two stories.

Here some anonymous experts at the CDC tell National Geographic ( well known sensationalist anti-Obama site /s) that the disease will likely reach the US. CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Then a few days later we see this story: CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Yes, we *can* stop Ebola from spreading in the sense that this is within the range of plausible outcomes, but then again, so is the complete collapse of our medical system too. If we cant stop MRSA from spreading, how in the hell can we stop an airborne virus (if it has mutated into such)?

We are still in the early stages of this outbreak, it would appear, the government "lying to prevent panic" stage, when we read of the disease causing so much death in Nigeria that the medical professionals start quitting their jobs then were are in the critical watershed whether this thing will be beaten or not, and when the government starts admitting the truth, it is time to buy lots of food and water and hunker down in the basement for a few months, lol.

If you get a breakdown of medical services and the people start going into bunker mode, the disease will actually limit itself. What you don't want is panic flight, which would spread the disease even further. Medical treatment that doesn't take the proper precautions also is a spread factor.

In US treatment, you would see every single person in the hospital in at least a minimum of protective gear, with anyone in an Ebola Ward in Space Suits. We would also be able to provide Isolation observation of people who were in contact with victims at a far more hospitable and controllable setting. Instead of lumping all the potential vectors into a sort of camp or dorm, each of THEM would be isolated and separated, further preventing the spread of this.

Yes, in theory that is what they should do. The same can be said regarding MRSA, that in theory they know certain practices will stop the spread of that disease, but human beings being human wont follow said procedures unless they take it seriously and too many do not.

Also, there is a likely longer incubation period in this new variation of the Zebola virus that allows the spread of the disease while not showing symptoms and may also be airborne.

How that American doctor caught the disease is very troubling. He had no direct contract with Ebola patients and did not even work in the same part of the hospital. I suspect these things are true and why they have been unable to control this disease because they are working with inaccurate data about the disease.
 
Yeah, just getting the government to consider the disease to be a greater threat than panic itself will be a challenge.

Look at the divergence in just two stories.

Here some anonymous experts at the CDC tell National Geographic ( well known sensationalist anti-Obama site /s) that the disease will likely reach the US. CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Then a few days later we see this story: CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Yes, we *can* stop Ebola from spreading in the sense that this is within the range of plausible outcomes, but then again, so is the complete collapse of our medical system too. If we cant stop MRSA from spreading, how in the hell can we stop an airborne virus (if it has mutated into such)?

We are still in the early stages of this outbreak, it would appear, the government "lying to prevent panic" stage, when we read of the disease causing so much death in Nigeria that the medical professionals start quitting their jobs then were are in the critical watershed whether this thing will be beaten or not, and when the government starts admitting the truth, it is time to buy lots of food and water and hunker down in the basement for a few months, lol.

If you get a breakdown of medical services and the people start going into bunker mode, the disease will actually limit itself. What you don't want is panic flight, which would spread the disease even further. Medical treatment that doesn't take the proper precautions also is a spread factor.

In US treatment, you would see every single person in the hospital in at least a minimum of protective gear, with anyone in an Ebola Ward in Space Suits. We would also be able to provide Isolation observation of people who were in contact with victims at a far more hospitable and controllable setting. Instead of lumping all the potential vectors into a sort of camp or dorm, each of THEM would be isolated and separated, further preventing the spread of this.

Yes, in theory that is what they should do. The same can be said regarding MRSA, that in theory they know certain practices will stop the spread of that disease, but human beings being human wont follow said procedures unless they take it seriously and too many do not.

Also, there is a likely longer incubation period in this new variation of the Zebola virus that allows the spread of the disease while not showing symptoms and may also be airborne.

How that American doctor caught the disease is very troubling. He had no direct contract with Ebola patients and did not even work in the same part of the hospital. I suspect these things are true and why they have been unable to control this disease because they are working with inaccurate data about the disease.

I doubt is has gone airborne, or it would be spreading much much faster, and you would see far more spread into smaller areas as one disease carrier would touch off lots of more local outbreaks.
 
Yeah, just getting the government to consider the disease to be a greater threat than panic itself will be a challenge.

Look at the divergence in just two stories.

Here some anonymous experts at the CDC tell National Geographic ( well known sensationalist anti-Obama site /s) that the disease will likely reach the US. CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Then a few days later we see this story: CDC director We can stop Ebola from spreading - CBS News

Yes, we *can* stop Ebola from spreading in the sense that this is within the range of plausible outcomes, but then again, so is the complete collapse of our medical system too. If we cant stop MRSA from spreading, how in the hell can we stop an airborne virus (if it has mutated into such)?

We are still in the early stages of this outbreak, it would appear, the government "lying to prevent panic" stage, when we read of the disease causing so much death in Nigeria that the medical professionals start quitting their jobs then were are in the critical watershed whether this thing will be beaten or not, and when the government starts admitting the truth, it is time to buy lots of food and water and hunker down in the basement for a few months, lol.

If you get a breakdown of medical services and the people start going into bunker mode, the disease will actually limit itself. What you don't want is panic flight, which would spread the disease even further. Medical treatment that doesn't take the proper precautions also is a spread factor.

In US treatment, you would see every single person in the hospital in at least a minimum of protective gear, with anyone in an Ebola Ward in Space Suits. We would also be able to provide Isolation observation of people who were in contact with victims at a far more hospitable and controllable setting. Instead of lumping all the potential vectors into a sort of camp or dorm, each of THEM would be isolated and separated, further preventing the spread of this.

Yes, in theory that is what they should do. The same can be said regarding MRSA, that in theory they know certain practices will stop the spread of that disease, but human beings being human wont follow said procedures unless they take it seriously and too many do not.

Also, there is a likely longer incubation period in this new variation of the Zebola virus that allows the spread of the disease while not showing symptoms and may also be airborne.

How that American doctor caught the disease is very troubling. He had no direct contract with Ebola patients and did not even work in the same part of the hospital. I suspect these things are true and why they have been unable to control this disease because they are working with inaccurate data about the disease.

I doubt is has gone airborne, or it would be spreading much much faster, and you would see far more spread into smaller areas as one disease carrier would touch off lots of more local outbreaks.

Well, it is already spreading faster than they can contain it unlike previously. I suspect that the areal mechanism is not fine particles but particles that travel through the air for a short distance and the virus is contagious even if the particles dry.

No matter matter what it might be, the disease spreads easier than direct contact only while the patient is showing symptoms that much is fact, IMO.
 
It's been a very busy day for posts so I'm not going to hunt up the source at this time, but it basically alluded that the reason Ebola was spreading so fast in Africa was because of the poor hygiene of 'hospitals' - which would carry to any doctors working in that environment as well.

(If I finish my other reading and preparations for work later tonight I will try to hunt that source down and post it.)
 
It's been a very busy day for posts so I'm not going to hunt up the source at this time, but it basically alluded that the reason Ebola was spreading so fast in Africa was because of the poor hygiene of 'hospitals' - which would carry to any doctors working in that environment as well.

(If I finish my other reading and preparations for work later tonight I will try to hunt that source down and post it.)

I find that difficult to believe. These hospitals have some excellent leadership, to include foreign physicians from all kinds of places like Western Europe and the USA, so they had to have their shit together on this regarding recommended practices and protocols. Do you think a nurse in Liberia would just ignore the warnings to have no contact with Ebola patients? And the last American that caught Ebola had NO known contact, they just pulled this thing about him possibly treating an unknown ebola victim unknown.

Really? Then how can they reasonably expect to control this disease? The protocols do not work due to slight mutations in the virus sounds more believable than to assume that a medical professional is going to handle a contagious patient and risk catching the disease.
 
I find that difficult to believe. These hospitals have some excellent leadership, to include foreign physicians from all kinds of places like Western Europe and the USA, so they had to have their shit together on this regarding recommended practices and protocols. Do you think a nurse in Liberia would just ignore the warnings to have no contact with Ebola patients? And the last American that caught Ebola had NO known contact, they just pulled this thing about him possibly treating an unknown ebola victim unknown.

Really? Then how can they reasonably expect to control this disease? The protocols do not work due to slight mutations in the virus sounds more believable than to assume that a medical professional is going to handle a contagious patient and risk catching the disease.

I'm going to have to shut off my web soon, but I found some sources. I was mistaken in the specific why the hospitals were partially to blame in the rapid spread; not for their lack of safety, but rather because of it - aka not able to safely open beds up fast enough to keep up with the demand which lead to a rapid spread among those attempting to treat their family/friends (village?) without protection. -- Why Ebola is proving so hard to contain PBS NewsHour

This further is exasperated by a distrust of western medicine - Why is Ebola spreading - Manila Standard Today

(I also found this one interesting - Why Deadly Ebola Virus Is Likely to Hit the U.S. But Not Spread which I intend to save and read inflight tonight)
 
Ebola is a CIA operation intended to destabilize Africa in preparation for haliburton to go in and scoop up all the minerals and oil.
 
Ebola is a CIA operation intended to destabilize Africa in preparation for haliburton to go in and scoop up all the minerals and oil.
Hah definitely, because Africa is currently so stable and has so many barriers to Western companies mining resources.

This disease they introduced will do just the trick to bring about such a dramatic change.
 
Ebola is a CIA operation intended to destabilize Africa in preparation for haliburton to go in and scoop up all the minerals and oil.
Hah definitely, because Africa is currently so stable and has so many barriers to Western companies mining resources.

This disease they introduced will do just the trick to bring about such a dramatic change.
The pesky feral negros in Africa generally make it too dangerous for companies to operate. Ebola will help.
 
Absolutely! If I was in charge of the CIA I'd invent a disease 40 years ago, occasionally introduce it into rural bush villages, and hope by taking out a few thousand of the hundreds of millions of millions of people can make everything easy to mine resources. Brilliant!
 

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