Charlottesville To Remove confederate Statues That Helped Spark Deadly Rally

They start taking down the statue later today.

It will go into storage until the city can decide who gets it. There have been requests for the statue some out of the state and some in the state.

Thank goodness that statue and the one of stonewall jackson are coming down.

It is long overdue. The statues never should have been erected in the first place.

Up next --- Thomas Jefferson.

Keep pretending this is about the confederacy. We all know what these assholes really want to do.
Good. Get rid of any Jefferson statues too. While youre at it get rid of statues for anyone that enslaved any Africans and claimed to be a righteous founding father.
Right.

And, get rid of what those racists created too, right?
What did they create? We can do without their creations. If youre going to say the constitution you might want to educate yourself and then thank the Iroquois nation
Yes. Let's thank the alleged communist, yet slave holding Iroquois nation.

You have been severely duped by commies.
 
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.


Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

No wonder you’re such a fan…


So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.
No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.
I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.


Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.
I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.
That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."
When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?
:lol: what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).


So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
 
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.


Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

No wonder you’re such a fan…


So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.
No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.
I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.


Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.
I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.
That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."
When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?
:lol: what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).


So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.

She has a desperate need for Republicans to be racist because it justifies her actions
Not even a little bit. I wish they weren’t. I wish they went back to the party of responsible governorship that they used to be. The “grown ups in the room” as they used to be. If wishes were fishes we’d all cast nets.
 


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.

That's her whole schtick. You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist!

That's what you do when you have nothing
Triggered huh?

Awwwww, and little Lush is crying again. Let it out, dear, let it out ...
That's your idea of crying?

Pointing out the fact that you're going nuts?

OMG, and Lush loses it! Dude, stop throwing things and calm down, you're going to pop a vessel. Maybe you should go out in the back yard and play a while and try to calm down. Shit guy, it's just a message board, get a grip.

Fucking moron
Classic Trumpian projection.
 
This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.
 
This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.
It was self serving. He wanted the profits gained from the increased value of his own slaves. He never freed his own slaves even in death. He was a fucking hypocrite. Gimme a fucking break. :auiqs.jpg:
 
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.


Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

No wonder you’re such a fan…


So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.
No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.
I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.


Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.
I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.
That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."
When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?
:lol: what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).


So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
I didn't live her even back when Reagan ran on the southern strategy in 1980, but I don't have any doubt that the gop ran on an anti-civil rights message. I don't see racism in how politics is waged in Mississippi .. outside some bad people on both sides. The gop state controlled govt takes pains to be even handed


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.

That's her whole schtick. You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist! You're a racist!

That's what you do when you have nothing
Triggered huh?

Awwwww, and little Lush is crying again. Let it out, dear, let it out ...
That's your idea of crying?

Pointing out the fact that you're going nuts?

OMG, and Lush loses it! Dude, stop throwing things and calm down, you're going to pop a vessel. Maybe you should go out in the back yard and play a while and try to calm down. Shit guy, it's just a message board, get a grip.

Fucking moron
Classic Trumpian projection.
Nixon preyed upon the fear of Northern Whites about riots. Ever since 1964 the gop in the South has been against racial gerrymandering for minority maj districts, that doesn't happen in the north btw. To me it seems sort of tragic that we divided people with similar economic interests by race. But, the irony here is that the people in charlottesville have voted and had their say, yet the "defenders" of statutes to the lost cause are literally in hysterics.

There's one of those statutes outside Miss's capital. A rebel soldier standing guard atop a four sided base. On one side its "for our daughters." another, "for our mothers." another "for our wives." I can't ever remember the fourth because imo is should be "for our high yeller mistresses"
 
This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.
It was self serving. He wanted the profits gained from the increased value of his own slaves. He never freed his own slaves even in death. He was a fucking hypocrite. Gimme a fucking break. :auiqs.jpg:
He only freed Hemmings' children ... whom he fathered while she was a slave. One can say it was the "times" but if people at the University want him put in the background ... it's their call.
 
This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.
It was self serving. He wanted the profits gained from the increased value of his own slaves. He never freed his own slaves even in death. He was a fucking hypocrite. Gimme a fucking break. :auiqs.jpg:
He only freed Hemmings' children ... whom he fathered while she was a slave. One can say it was the "times" but if people at the University want him put in the background ... it's their call.
He freed around 5 people. The other 595 remained slaves. He never freed his child rape victim Sally Hemmings. Check his quote.

"I consider a woman who brings a child every two years as more profitable than the best man of the farm, What she produces is an addition to the capital, while his labors disappear in mere consumption."
-Jefferson
 
Has black poverty gone down since these scarey hunks of cement were removed?
 
American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"


You stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

Robert E. Lee was a great American hero to tens of millions of Americans and your Libtard hate and ignorance of history is despicable.

You Libtards are full of hate and intollerance of anything except the Communist Party line, aren't you? Just like the Taliban.

Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else.
 
This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.
It was self serving. He wanted the profits gained from the increased value of his own slaves. He never freed his own slaves even in death. He was a fucking hypocrite. Gimme a fucking break. :auiqs.jpg:
He only freed Hemmings' children ... whom he fathered while she was a slave. One can say it was the "times" but if people at the University want him put in the background ... it's their call.
He freed around 5 people. The other 595 remained slaves. He never freed his child rape victim Sally Hemmings. Check his quote.

"I consider a woman who brings a child every two years as more profitable than the best man of the farm, What she produces is an addition to the capital, while his labors disappear in mere consumption."
-Jefferson
It might be of interest but UVA excavated Sally Hemmings' living quarters some years back. I dunno. Jefferson might not have freed her just to make sure she was not "cast out." Sign of the times, I suppose. I doubt the quarters were "bad" for the times, but it wasn't no vacation get away to the spa
 
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.
Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?
If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.
No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.
I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.
We do now.


Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

No wonder you’re such a fan…


So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.
No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.


The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.
I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.
I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.


Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.
I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.
That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."
When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?
:lol: what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).


So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
It’s still happening. Right now and right in front of their eyes. How many moderate Republicans have left or been driven out of the Republican Party by Trump and his deplorable acolytes? Conversely, how many right leaning Democrats
have heard the sweet siren song of authoritarian nationalism and moved to Trumpism?
I don’t get why they act as if ideological realignment of the parties is somehow not possible.
 
American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"


You stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

Robert E. Lee was a great American hero to tens of millions of Americans and your Libtard hate and ignorance of history is despicable.

You Libtards are full of hate and intollerance of anything except the Communist Party line, aren't you? Just like the Taliban.

Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else.
Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else
Yes. :clap2:
 
Triggered huh?

Awwwww, and little Lush is crying again. Let it out, dear, let it out ...
That's your idea of crying?

Pointing out the fact that you're going nuts?

OMG, and Lush loses it! Dude, stop throwing things and calm down, you're going to pop a vessel. Maybe you should go out in the back yard and play a while and try to calm down. Shit guy, it's just a message board, get a grip.

Fucking moron
Classic Trumpian projection.
Nixon preyed upon the fear of Northern Whites about riots. Ever since 1964 the gop in the South has been against racial gerrymandering for minority maj districts, that doesn't happen in the north btw. To me it seems sort of tragic that we divided people with similar economic interests by race. But, the irony here is that the people in charlottesville have voted and had their say, yet the "defenders" of statutes to the lost cause are literally in hysterics.

There's one of those statutes outside Miss's capital. A rebel soldier standing guard atop a four sided base. On one side its "for our daughters." another, "for our mothers." another "for our wives." I can't ever remember the fourth because imo is should be "for our high yeller mistresses"

Yet again the South was racist Democrat in the 50s then all the leftists from all the northern States joined the racist Democrat party in the 60s. Racism is all you, Holmes
 


So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
Carter’s win has been explained and doesn’t disprove the very real, admitted to by Republicans, Southern strategy.

The party switch from Democrat to Republican for white Southerners was not instantaneous. It took years but it is now complete and race played a significant role.
It’s still happening. Right now and right in front of their eyes. How many moderate Republicans have left or been driven out of the Republican Party by Trump and his deplorable acolytes? Conversely, how many right leaning Democrats
have heard the sweet siren song of authoritarian nationalism and moved to Trumpism?
I don’t get why they act as if ideological realignment of the parties is somehow not possible.

Funny how all Trump's racist quotes are your quotes since you misquoted him.

Democrats know racism, you are it and always have been
 
This is divisive and harmful to America. Selecting out certain groups that are not allowed to be proud of their heritage, is bigotry and divisive.
Should Germans be proud of their Nazi heritage?

Different situation. My point stands. THis is divisive and harmful to America.
Different situation. My point stands. THis is divisive and harmful to America.
Now you get a little taste of the divisiveness black folks have felt for a century with those statues looming large above them and you cry foul immediately. White fragility is a bitch.

What a crock of shit. Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.
What a crock of shit. Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.
Says Whitey. Whitey always knows what’s good for the Negro. What helps or hurts the negro. Whitey is always generous to the negro despite the negros’ continued ingratitude.

You making racial slurs, is not a counter argument.

My point stands.

Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.
You making racial slurs, is not a counter argument.

My point stands.

Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.
You certainly can’t know how they made people feel. The very least and first division you felt regarding their removal caused your knees to buckle and you to cry out to your lord in anguish. By all means though. Continue to suggest their presence had no ill effects on black folks.


I think I can, based on the DECADES of no discussion of them, at all, until the Leftards ran low on pretend wacism and had to dig DEEP to find some shit to pretend to be upset about.
I think I can, based on the DECADES of no discussion of them, at all, until the Leftards ran low on pretend wacism and had to dig DEEP to find some shit to pretend to be upset about
Of course you think you can know. Whitey always knows what’s best for the negro.
It’s the natural order of things. ;)


I already noted your use of racial slurs. Do you need me to be clearer and call you a racist?

Beyond that, my point stands. THe decades of no discussion on the issue, even during the 70s and 80s and 90s, and 00s, when such discussions would have been completely safe to have,

kind of shows that no one gave a damn until just recently.


Why is that? THe statues didn't change? What did change?


I offered my opinion on that. You've called me some racial slurs. So, I take you have nothing, other than being a retarded asshole counter my argument with.


My point stands. No one cared for generations. This issue is ginned up bullshit from modern day leftard assholes.
"My point stands. No one cared for generations."

You never had a point. Blacks have always resented those cracka statues of traitors being paid for with their tax money.


Bullshit. Generations of not caring and not saying shit about them.


It only became an issue, very recently cause you leftards got real desperate for wacism to pretend to be upset over.


Got to keep the hate flowing.
As usual you have no clue what youre talking about. Its amusing you think you know how Black people felt about the loser traitor statues up until recently. :)

Why? I was here. I could see that black communities and populations in their millions, had real shit to worry about, rather than some statues in the park.


I remember.
remember.
You remember your experience from your perspective without ever exploring the experiences of others from their perspective. That is willful ignorance and your insistence that you know something you don’t is hubris.
Charlottesville is 70% white. The median family income is $64K. 20% of the pop had graduate degrees or better. It wasn't "the blacks" who wanted the Daughters of the Confederacy statutes moved to a museum or someplace. LOL

Who said anyone did aside from a bunch of white woke SJWs from out of town? When did anyone in Charlottesville vote on it?
 
Thank goodness that statue and the one of stonewall jackson are coming down

I can't imaging having my emotions rule me like you people do.
I see shit EVERY DAY that I think is dumb or offensive or whatever. You know what I do then? I fucking get over it 3 seconds later and move on with my life.

You and people like you are why people stereotype women as too emotional to make rational decisions
I see shit EVERY DAY that I think is dumb or offensive or whatever. You know what I do then? I fucking get over it 3 seconds later and move on with my life.
That’s called privilege. The privilege of not ever having to think about such things or even take them seriously.
No, that's just common sense. Only brain damaged SJWs get upset about so-called "privilege."
 

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