Charlottesville To Remove confederate Statues That Helped Spark Deadly Rally

[Mr. Friscus]

Charlottesville was pretty tame compared to most BLM riots.

 

[Seawytch]

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

New report highlights comments Richard Nixon made in favor of a debunked racist theory

Newly unearthed recordings show former President Richard Nixon mentioned racist language in conversations with his close associates.

www.businessinsider.com

No wonder you’re such a fan…

So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.

No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.

The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.

I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.

I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.

Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.

I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.​

​

That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."​

​

When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...​

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?

what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).

So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.

You base your entire argument on one man Carter?

Give up

Dude. It's one limited example, of one election that shows the claims of the Southern Strategy are just not true.


You can actually do the same thing with EVERY Presidential election.


In EVERY Presidential Election since the early 60s, BOTH candidates supported civil rights for blacks and in both partiers the white members of their party, north and south, still voted for them, despite that.

Carters win does not disprove the Southern strategy. It took time for white southerners to switch over from the Democratic Party to the republican party. That switch is now complete.

Your claim that the Southern strategy is a myth has been debunked 12 ways to Sunday. You’re nothing but a joke now.

We all know it's bullshit. Racist scum Democrats just wanted an excuse to accuse Republicans of being racists.

No, actually only crazy conspiracy theorists that like to be debunked by every historian...well, in history, think it's "bullshit". 99.9% of historians recognize it as a fact. Heck, Republicans apologized for it.

So-called historians are nothing more than propagandists and conspiricy theorists. The so-called "Southern Strategy" is a conspiricy theory.

Dims are the biggest group of suckers on the planet.

Being called a sucker by a Trump cultist is like being called a carnivore by a tiger.

A third grade moron could come up with a better insult than that.

You couldn't.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

This whole Charlottesville charade is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, Jefferson was the ONLY president to actually get legislation passed to stop the African slave trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_SlavesThis legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, who called for its enactment in his 1806 State of the Union Address. He and others had promoted the idea since the 1770s. It reflected the force of the general trend toward abolishing the international slave trade which Virginia, followed by all the other states, had prohibited or restricted since then. South Carolina, however, had reopened its trade. Congress first regulated against the trade in the Slave Trade Act of 1794. The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

He was the only president to do something about ending slavery without killing 600,000 Americans.

BUT, for the commies to prevail, they must undo everything Jefferson and the other founders did to preserve liberty and prevent tyranny, because Communism/Socialism/Progressivism is VERY authoritarian and DIRECTLY conflicts with the individual rights to life, liberty, and property. THAT is why Jefferson is the real target.

It was self serving. He wanted the profits gained from the increased value of his own slaves. He never freed his own slaves even in death. He was a fucking hypocrite. Gimme a fucking break.

I knew you would accuse him of something nefarious.

We're not giving up individual liberty or property rights, commie. I will kill all of you before that happens.

 

[bripat9643]

A third grade moron could come up with a better insult than that.

You couldn't.

I have, many times

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Do blacks suddenly have the ability to obtain a photo ID since those hunks of bronze were taken down?

Actually their ability to get a license in certain states has gotten worse and that had nothing to do with the traitor statues. It was part of the GOP attempt to suppress the vote.

Right, it's all a vast conspiracy against the black man despite there not being a shred of evidence to support it.

Its not a conspiracy. They freely admit it.

 

[bripat9643]

"You do know that Lee was the first person Lincoln asked to command the Union Army ?"

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Yeah, Lee had a sterling reputation, Mexican War, Commander of West Point, capture of John Brown at Harper's Ferry.
He was the real deal as an American soldier......until.....

......until America was facing its most severe crisis.

Then he quits.
To go fight for the other side.....and kill America soldiers.

Some 'real deal' American soldier he turned out to be.

Didn't hang from a scaffold due solely to the magnanimity of Abe Lincoln with the concurrence of the Commander of the Armies, U.S.Grant.

Plenty of others wanted his strung up as a deserter and traitor.

Grant and Sherman murdered their fellow Americans. Lee only defended Virginia.

He didn't hange because there was nothing they could hang him for. Those Northern carpet bagger politicians knew they couldn't get a jury to convict on the grounds of treason.

 

[MarcATL]

Seeing that rancid statue removed was one of the best sites this year.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"

You stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

Robert E. Lee was a great American hero to tens of millions of Americans and your Libtard hate and ignorance of history is despicable.

You Libtards are full of hate and intollerance of anything except the Communist Party line, aren't you? Just like the Taliban.

Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else.

Lee never deserted, he resigned his commission and he freed his father in law's slaves

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"

You stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

Robert E. Lee was a great American hero to tens of millions of Americans and your Libtard hate and ignorance of history is despicable.

You Libtards are full of hate and intollerance of anything except the Communist Party line, aren't you? Just like the Taliban.

Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else.

Lee never deserted, he resigned his commission and he freed his father in law's slaves

Now, Sassy. Don't get in the way of a good bullshit Marxist narrative used to camouflage the real target, Thomas Jefferson.

These assholes hate liberty. They HATE everything Jefferson did or stood for. They love being subjects.

 

[Sunsettommy]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"

You stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

Robert E. Lee was a great American hero to tens of millions of Americans and your Libtard hate and ignorance of history is despicable.

You Libtards are full of hate and intollerance of anything except the Communist Party line, aren't you? Just like the Taliban.

Robert Lee was an army deserter to join another army who fired the first shot.

He was a decades long slave holder, that alone shows that he was not a true American.

They did it to preserve their slavery rights and little else.

Lee never deserted, he resigned his commission and he freed his father in law's slaves

Yes he resigned, but for the purpose of joining the other side, that is in my view desertion. He was a racist to the day he died, he never freed his slaves, and never changed his dismissive views of black people.

There is no documented evidence that he freed the slaves and he was always a supporter of slavery even when the war ended:

History Net,

".....And what about Lee’s own slaves? He inherited 10 or 12 from his mother, but it is difficult to determine whether he freed any of them. Before the Mexican War he wrote a will that would have liberated one family; however, since he was not killed, those provisions never went into effect. There is no evidence of Lee’s slaves being emancipated—no courthouse records, no mention of it in his massive letter books. One of his sons later said that he had freed all his slaves before the war, but had taken no legal action so they would not have to move out of Virginia. That seems questionable, however. A freed African American really could not exist in Virginia without papers; the law would put him right back into slavery.

In fact, we have an example of a freed couple without documents being thrown into jail in 1853 by Lee’s father-in-law, a justice of the peace. We also know that Lee was aware of the need to provide free papers, since he went to considerable trouble to get proper documents for the Custis slaves who were freed during the Civil War. In any case, his own papers show that he owned slaves well into the 1850s and considered buying another in 1860. He also used his wife’s slaves as personal servants throughout the Civil War.

Lee’s letters tell us much about his racial attitudes. He seemed to dislike the bondsmen’s presence and generally avoided dealing with them. (“Do not trouble yourself about them, as they are not worth it,” he counseled his wife.) He had a low opinion of blacks as workers and complained continually about their habits. (“It would be accidental to fall in with a good one,” he ultimately concluded.) He found the constant need to provide for the slaves burdensome, and as a result frequently rented them out.

As late as 1865 he was still asserting that “the relation of master and slave…is the best that can exist between the white & black races.” He had equally dismissive views of other groups who threatened white aspirations, including Mexicans and American Indians, whom he several times described as “hideous” and whom he believed to be culturally inferior. It is important to note that these are not random comments, written on a bad day, but a constant pattern in Lee’s writing."

bolding mine

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Until he left the Union he never considered freeing the slaves who lived in abject squalor under him, have you been there seen the photos, I did, the building they lived in were not wind tight and bad roofing.

The grounds of Arlington house was occupied within days after Lee's departure.

 

[Correll]

Which Presidential election do you think MOST demonstrates the "southern strategy" and why?

Goldwater started it (Operation Dixie), Nixon ....

Seriously. WTF is wrong with you?

I asked for your best example and you give me a fucking Gish Galloping list?

ONe more fucking time. You think Carter didn't prove nothing, THAN GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING BEST EXAMPLE.


You don't have ONE GOOD EXAMPLE? The Southern Strategy is the HUGE POWERFUL FORCE, but so subtle that you CAN'T GIVE ONE GOOD EXAMPLE?


Starting to sound like complete bullshit, doesn't it?


GIVE ME YOUR BEST SHOT.

 

[Correll]

Which Presidential election do you think MOST demonstrates the "southern strategy" and why?

Goldwater started it (Operation Dixie), Nixon perfected it with coded language ("silent majority" "law and order") and Reagan dabbled in it ("welfare queens in Cadillacs"). Again, you seem to think it was a lever that was thrown in the 60s and the people just switched sides. It took decades for it to take firm hold...which it has now. And it wasn't solely racial unease that fueled the switch. It was a fusion of religion, women's role in society and the role of government in the economy.

“If Nixon becomes president, he has promised that he won’t enforce either the Civil Rights or the Voting Rights Acts. Stick with him.” ~ Strom Thurmond

It's all pure Democrat fantasy, turd blossom. You guys don't need any facts to conjure up your conspiracies.

I give an example, she poo-poos it. So I ask for her BEST example and she gives me a fucking list.

WTF. Talking to these pinheads is like trying to pin down the fog. They are completely dishonest assholes.

 

[Correll]

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

New report highlights comments Richard Nixon made in favor of a debunked racist theory

Newly unearthed recordings show former President Richard Nixon mentioned racist language in conversations with his close associates.

www.businessinsider.com

No wonder you’re such a fan…

So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.

No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.

The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.

I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.

I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.

Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.

I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.​

​

That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."​

​

When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...​

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


View attachment 513009


So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?

what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).

So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.

You base your entire argument on one man Carter?

Give up

Dude. It's one limited example, of one election that shows the claims of the Southern Strategy are just not true.


You can actually do the same thing with EVERY Presidential election.


In EVERY Presidential Election since the early 60s, BOTH candidates supported civil rights for blacks and in both partiers the white members of their party, north and south, still voted for them, despite that.

Carters win does not disprove the Southern strategy. It took time for white southerners to switch over from the Democratic Party to the republican party. That switch is now complete.

Your claim that the Southern strategy is a myth has been debunked 12 ways to Sunday. You’re nothing but a joke now.

We all know it's bullshit. Racist scum Democrats just wanted an excuse to accuse Republicans of being racists.

No, actually only crazy conspiracy theorists that like to be debunked by every historian...well, in history, think it's "bullshit". 99.9% of historians recognize it as a fact. Heck, Republicans apologized for it.

And again, as "evidence" you present other people saying it exists.

NOTHING, supporting the primary claim, ie that the GOP campaigned for wacist votes in the South.


HOW THE FUCK DID THEY SUPPOSEDLY GET WACISTS TO VOTE FOR THEM? DID THEY FUCKING TRAVEL IN TIME, GET THE FUTURE STATEMENTS, BRING THEM BACK AND SHOW THEM TO WACIST VOTERS?


COME TEH FUCK ON. YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS. GIVE IT UP. YOU STONEWALLING WACE BAITING SPAM BOT.

 

[Correll]

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Or they know you're a racist and aren't worth responding to.

Yes, Joe, blacks are the same, which means any who defy that sameness are "Uncle Toms." The racist has spoken. That's you, Joe

Nothing wrong with being unique.
Everything wrong with selling out to please people who hate you anyway.

If fish have wings, then how is it that goats are able to fly?

If Magic Underwear protects you from Covid, then how are you able to get to the Outer Darkness?

Lincoln did start the war, and Trump did everything your sainted Dr. Fauci advised him to do.

No, the Southern States seceded before he was sworn in.

Fauci wanted to close down the entire country, which Trump refused to do.

Big fucking lie, asshole

You need to read up on the Southern Strategy, and how Nixon won over the former racists for the GOP.

I've read the Marxist propaganda on the so-called "Southern Strategy." That was just a sleazy tactic designed to paint Nixon as a racist even thoug his Dim NAZI opponents didn't have a shred of evidence that he was.

We do now.

Lies are not evidence. That you lie a lot, is just evidence that you are a liar.


IN the real world, Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford After him.

New report highlights comments Richard Nixon made in favor of a debunked racist theory

Newly unearthed recordings show former President Richard Nixon mentioned racist language in conversations with his close associates.

www.businessinsider.com

No wonder you’re such a fan…

So, to support your idea of Nixon supposedly pandering to southern wacists, you cite secret recordings that only came out today, 50 years later?

Wow. That's..... breath takingly stupid. Or, is it literally insane?


Nixon supported the bi-partisan consensus on civil rights, just like Johnson before him and Ford after him.

No, that isn’t what I said. I simply said we now know that he absolutely was a racist. Even if they were prognosticating back then, they were right.

The Southern Strategy is based on the idea that Nixon publicly pandered to southern wacists, so that they would have a reason to vote for him and the gop.

Secret recordings that didn't come out till decades after Nixon and hte majority of the voters were dead, would not be a reason for any voters to do anything.

You can't support the Southern Strategy, because it's not true.

I have already provided proof that the Southern strategy was a real thing. ....

That is you lying. You've provided ZERO evidence to support your position.

The reality is that Nixon shared the bi-partisan consensus in favor of civil rights for blacks that both parties supported during the time of his presidency.

His policies proved that. And by proved, I mean, actually proved it, by putting his money where his mouth was, by actual policy, implemented and enforced.

You want to ignore that and focus on secret recordings that were not even public at the time as though.... what? NOTHING.

I provided you plenty. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.

Secret recordings that were not released until decades after Nixon was dead, and even more decades after his elections, do not support the southern strategy conspiracy theory.


To support the theory's claims, you have to show that he pandered for wacist votes, successfully. Some major policies, that helped keep the South segregated or gave special rights to whites over blacks.


That you think a secret recording that no one knew about would convince voters, who never heard it, to vote for Nixon, makes no sense.

I never said the secret recordings that proved what everyone thought about Nixon's racism had anything to do with the Southern Strategy. They are two separate things that, although both deal with Nixon's racism, are unrelated.

The Southern Strategy was real. Just ask Republicans.

The strongest evidence of the Southern strategy comes directly from Republicans at the time.​

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That includes Clarence Townes, who served as director of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee in the 1960s. Harvard professor Leah Wright Rigueur wrote about Townes in her book "The Loneliness of the Black Republican."​

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When Nixon disbanded the division, Townes told reporters in 1970, "There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any."...​

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.


Which leaves the next line of defense, ie secret code words. This one... is really pathetic. I give seawytch credit for not even trying that one.


She has tried the third line of defense, ie citing other people that say the same thing. Which.... just wow. lol.


NOw, lets look at the leading piece of "Evidence" in her use of the Gish Gallop Fallacy.


The elimination of the Minorities Division of the Republican National Committee.


So, Seawytch, is claiming that in the mid 60s, in an attempt to pander to southern wacist, President Nixon, eliminated an internal republican party sub-committee....


That is you leading piece of evidence to support the Southern Strategy?


IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.


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So, even though that GOP sub committee might have been really, really important, it didn't seem to really cement the South as republican, the way that conspiracy theorists claim.



Do you want to argue that Jimmy Carter was a wacist hold over, from the bad old days and the southern voters knew it, while the northern dem voters didn't?

what did I tell you..."nuh uh".

The switch of the white southerner from the Democratic party to the Republican party was not instantaneous, which is why Carter was still able to win the south. Carter looked like them, talked like them and was Baptist like them. Nixon played a part in Carter's win as well. His opponent had pardoned Tricky Dick and folks were still pissed at what Nixon had done.

He lost reelection in no small part because those white southerners realized he wasn't like them. (And Reagan told them about scary black people on welfare driving Cadillacs).

So, Carter won despite being strong on civil rights just because he was a southern (and nixon)?

I agree.

But, that really undermines the idea that RACE is the defining issue of southern politics. At least past the mid 60s.


Carter lost, because his weak ass foreign policy was inviting everyone to walk all over US. Hell, he knew it. He was completely changing course, running guns to Afghanistan and building up the military.


Race played no significant role. Because it was moot. BOTH sides were committed to civil rights for blacks and the wacists voters knew it.

You base your entire argument on one man Carter?

Give up

Dude. It's one limited example, of one election that shows the claims of the Southern Strategy are just not true.


You can actually do the same thing with EVERY Presidential election.


In EVERY Presidential Election since the early 60s, BOTH candidates supported civil rights for blacks and in both partiers the white members of their party, north and south, still voted for them, despite that.

Carters win does not disprove the Southern strategy. It took time for white southerners to switch over from the Democratic Party to the republican party. That switch is now complete.

Your claim that the Southern strategy is a myth has been debunked 12 ways to Sunday. You’re nothing but a joke now.

We all know it's bullshit. Racist scum Democrats just wanted an excuse to accuse Republicans of being racists.

No, actually only crazy conspiracy theorists that like to be debunked by every historian...well, in history, think it's "bullshit". 99.9% of historians recognize it as a fact. Heck, Republicans apologized for it.

So-called historians are nothing more than propagandists and conspiricy theorists. The so-called "Southern Strategy" is a conspiricy theory.

Dims are the biggest group of suckers on the planet.

Being called a sucker by a Trump cultist is like being called a carnivore by a tiger.

Says the woman that can't support her position at all.

 

[Correll]

This is divisive and harmful to America. Selecting out certain groups that are not allowed to be proud of their heritage, is bigotry and divisive.

Should Germans be proud of their Nazi heritage?

Different situation. My point stands. THis is divisive and harmful to America.

Different situation. My point stands. THis is divisive and harmful to America.

Now you get a little taste of the divisiveness black folks have felt for a century with those statues looming large above them and you cry foul immediately. White fragility is a bitch.

What a crock of shit. Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.

What a crock of shit. Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.

Says Whitey. Whitey always knows what’s good for the Negro. What helps or hurts the negro. Whitey is always generous to the negro despite the negros’ continued ingratitude.

You making racial slurs, is not a counter argument.

My point stands.

Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.

You making racial slurs, is not a counter argument.

My point stands.

Those statues were not "looming over" anyone. They were quietly sitting in the park, where blacks either didn't give a fuck about them or liked them because of the shared American heritage.

You certainly can’t know how they made people feel. The very least and first division you felt regarding their removal caused your knees to buckle and you to cry out to your lord in anguish. By all means though. Continue to suggest their presence had no ill effects on black folks.

I think I can, based on the DECADES of no discussion of them, at all, until the Leftards ran low on pretend wacism and had to dig DEEP to find some shit to pretend to be upset about.

I think I can, based on the DECADES of no discussion of them, at all, until the Leftards ran low on pretend wacism and had to dig DEEP to find some shit to pretend to be upset about

Of course you think you can know. Whitey always knows what’s best for the negro.
It’s the natural order of things.

I already noted your use of racial slurs. Do you need me to be clearer and call you a racist?

Beyond that, my point stands. THe decades of no discussion on the issue, even during the 70s and 80s and 90s, and 00s, when such discussions would have been completely safe to have,

kind of shows that no one gave a damn until just recently.


Why is that? THe statues didn't change? What did change?


I offered my opinion on that. You've called me some racial slurs. So, I take you have nothing, other than being a retarded asshole counter my argument with.


My point stands. No one cared for generations. This issue is ginned up bullshit from modern day leftard assholes.

"My point stands. No one cared for generations."

You never had a point. Blacks have always resented those cracka statues of traitors being paid for with their tax money.

Bullshit. Generations of not caring and not saying shit about them.


It only became an issue, very recently cause you leftards got real desperate for wacism to pretend to be upset over.


Got to keep the hate flowing.

As usual you have no clue what youre talking about. Its amusing you think you know how Black people felt about the loser traitor statues up until recently.

Why? I was here. I could see that black communities and populations in their millions, had real shit to worry about, rather than some statues in the park.


I remember.

remember.

You remember your experience from your perspective without ever exploring the experiences of others from their perspective. That is willful ignorance and your insistence that you know something you don’t is hubris.

I remember being an American who was paying attention to the public discourse.

NO ONE was talking about statues in teh park. NO ONE.


Different "perspectives" did not prevent me from hearing different voices. THere were plenty of voices different than mine. THey were saying all kinds of shit.

NO ONE was talking about the statues in the park, because no one cared.


Some southerns like to celebrate their history, and that had been accepted as fine by our ancestors and it was what we all, always knew, so it was not remarkable to ANYONE.


Until recently, when libtards got really desperate to find something to pretend to be upset about.

I remember being an American who was paying attention to the public discourse.

Your limited experience is obviously not sufficient to know any better.

Your words make no sense. My being me, and thus different from other people, does not mean that I would not or did not hear them when they spoke.


And I did. I heard plenty. Most of it, I did not give a fuck about, but I heard it. NO ONE was talking shit about the statues because no one cared.


Hell, no one was talking about the Dukes of Hazzard, other than how hot Daisy Duke was or how hunky the Duke Boys were.


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Your wace baiting is stupid.

Your words make no sense.

Your limited experience is obviously not sufficient to know any better.

That bit, where you have to cut all the supporting argument, before you dare disagree with the point?

That is your brain dealing with the fact that it knows you are in the wrong.



My point stands.


My being me, and thus different from other people, does not mean that I would not or did not hear them when they spoke.


And I did. I heard plenty. Most of it, I did not give a fuck about, but I heard it. NO ONE was talking shit about the statues because no one cared.


Hell, no one was talking about the Dukes of Hazzard, other than how hot Daisy Duke was or how hunky the Duke Boys were.


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Your wace baiting is stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

Nice gish galloping. I will deal with your lead piece, show that it is weak and we can dismiss the rest as ever weaker.


So, the Southern Strategy puts forth the claim that REpublican candidates, after the dems joined the growing national consensus on civil rights for blacks, that the republican candidates somehow "pandered" to the seething pit of wacists that was the South, to flip the region, a dozen states, forever.


Generally liberals used to claim that they pushed racist policies to get southern votes, but that is easily debunked by looking at the policies. Liberals still push that narrative, in settings where no one can question them, but more experienced lefties, when open to questions have dropped the claim of policies.

Except you don't have to. Nixon's Law and Order Campaign, his "war on drugs", were all meant to pander to scared white people.

IMO, that is not the type of thing that would get a wacist, to switch his vote from one party to the other. Indeed, I can't believe that the vast majority of southern voters ever heard of that sub-committee or that it was eliminated.


And btw, just for historical context, years AFTER the shocking disbanding of that important committee, this happened.

Not really a good example. 1976 was unique in that it was two years after Richard Nixon resigned. Ford had no political base, he barely got nominated. Ford had won 49 states the year before.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm tired of it from the left. So I give it back. Obviously they don't get it, they are stupid as fuck.

Yes, I guess that's easier than addressing your own racism.

"You don't like our sellout Uncle Tom who tells us what we want to hear."

Why do you need Uncle Tom to tell you what you want to hear?

Suppose what crappy people it would make Democrats if Republicans aren't racist, Trump isn't racist and everything Trump ever said that was racist he didn't say, they misquoted him. Well, Republicans aren't racist, Trump isn't racist and everything Trump ever said that was racist he didn't say, they misquoted him.

Nobody misquoted Trump. What he said was bad enough. I'm sure he could blurt out the N-word tomorrow, and you would make an excuse for him.

Democrats think they are fighting Hitler and it justifies whatever they do, silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, stealing elections. But in reality, Democrats aren't fighting Hitler. They are Hitler

NObody stole the election.
Trump really is a Hitler wannabe.

Trump praised Hitler to chief of staff John Kelly during Europe trip, new book claims

A new book says ex-President Donald Trump said that Adolf "Hitler did a lot of good things" in a discussion with John Kelly, his then-chief of staff.

www.cnbc.com

 

[JoeB131]

I saw a statue of ML King....I got the shakes, teared up, I thought my head would explode

Not really, I glanced at it and went on about my day....even though he was a womanizer shitstain

yes, Fat Irish Sow is upset that Dr. King had sex with women 60 years ago.

She isn't bothered that Trump paid a porn star for sex while his third wife was home with his fifth child.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet again the South was racist Democrat in the 50s then all the leftists from all the northern States joined the racist Democrat party in the 60s. Racism is all you, Holmes

This is where you get confused.

All the leftists in the Northern States joined the Democratic Party in the 1930's, not the 1950's.

The 1930's is also when the majority of blacks started voting Democratic as well.

The BRILLIANCE of FDR was how he build a coalition of white southern conservative Democrats and liberal Northern and found common ground in fighting the Great Depression. Yeah, maybe you don't favor moves to advance civil rights, but you do appreciate the New Deal programs that bring jobs to the south.

By 1948, there were cracks. Southern Democrats supported Strom Thurmond (who eventually took his racist followers into the GOP) and Northern progressives supported Henry Wallace (who was removed as Veep Because he was too far to the left in 1944)

1952- the Republicans won for two reasons. 1) Ike was a national hero and 2) he had the good sense to support the New Deal Reforms.

In 1960, JFK ran to the right of Nixon on some issues. But the underlying reforms FDR weren't really in play. Civil rights weren't really in play, either. Both parties had kind of settled into slowly advancing them while still mollifying the Southern Racists.

Then we get to 1964, where the GOP lost blacks pretty much for good. Barry "Deep Down you Know he's nuts" Goldwater didn't support Civil Rights. He didn't support the kind of New Deal reforms that had created a middle class. He won his home state and 5 Southern states and lost the rest of the country.

One white voter in Tennessee asked him, "Why do you want to shut down the TVA, that's our livelihood here?" Some Southerners weren't keen on ending Segregation, but they understood the New Deal had really benefited them.

So instead of going back to the winning formula of Ike of supporting sensible government programs and slow progress on civil rights, Nixon decided to play directly to the racists with code words like Law and Order.

And a white population terrified by the excesses of the 60's voted for him. It really didn't help that the Democrats ran on "Acid, Abortion and Amnesty", but they got enough white people scared into voting against their economic interests. And pretty much every Republican since then has done this shit.

Can't sell the Small Government/Plutocratic/Libertarian Rat poison on it's own. But you wrap it in a nice juicy strip of racist bacon, and they'll gobble that shit right down.

The guy I give some props to is George W. Bush. He actually tried to change the tone on race. He did okay, winning 12% of the black vote and 44% of the Hispanic vote. Sadly, it didn't last.

 

[Juicin]

Why the fuck are they venerating losers down there anyway?

This is America the only wars we don't win are ones we don't feel like finishing.