Child Support is unfair

[jillian]

Me either. You would hope that the father would want to contribute to the well-being of his children.

Fathers generally (with exceptions) want to contribute to the well being of their children. Unfortunately they also want to see their ex punished and rationalizes child support as a form of punishment. Women do it too, but for this discussion, it's men. Mother spends too much money on herself. She can go without her little luxuries or personal expenses. Men think that if their ex gets her hair done, he's paying too much in child support.

Mom can use her own money to get her hair or nails done. Why should a man have to slave away for years to provide support only for it to be squandered away on crap that doesn't benefit the kid(s)?

yeah, women don't do anything but use their husband's money on themselves while their kids run around barefoot and starving...

 

[Avatar4321]

I am in no way defending the irresponisbility of men who lack the fortitude to take care of their own responsibility as an adult, but I firmly believe any system that awards someone with money ought to be tracked. I'm not sure about you guys but I meet far too many men with no representation regarding child support and the issues they face regarding money. How is it that the state can track EBT payments but not child support? I personally believe the system is unfair towards responsible men and are soft on irresponsible women....What say ye?

I've got a simple solution. Chastity before marriage and fidelity afterwards. That way, you dont have to worry about court awarded child support payments because your child will have mother and father married and taking care of the child or children as they should be.

I think we do our children a great disservice by encouraging divorce and immoral activity outside of marriage. I understand that not everyone is perfect and not every marriage is ideal. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be working for the ideal. There may be some legitimate reasons for divorce, but that doesn't mean every marriage that ends in divorce should.

The system as it is now is unfair to everyone.

 

[Ravi]

Someone, I think it was HG, said $300 a month was a fair amount for child support.

WTF?

That's 3,600 a year. You can't care for yourself on that. That doesn't even come close to poverty level heights.

Is that child support taxable? and no it's not nearly enough.

I don't know. Luckily, I've never been in that boat.

 

[Luissa]

Someone, I think it was HG, said $300 a month was a fair amount for child support.

WTF?

That's 3,600 a year. You can't care for yourself on that. That doesn't even come close to poverty level heights.

Is that child support taxable? and no it's not nearly enough.

I don't know. Luckily, I've never been in that boat.

It's not.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Me either. You would hope that the father would want to contribute to the well-being of his children.

Fathers generally (with exceptions) want to contribute to the well being of their children. Unfortunately they also want to see their ex punished and rationalizes child support as a form of punishment. Women do it too, but for this discussion, it's men. Mother spends too much money on herself. She can go without her little luxuries or personal expenses. Men think that if their ex gets her hair done, he's paying too much in child support.

Mom can use her own money to get her hair or nails done. Why should a man have to slave away for years to provide support only for it to be squandered away on crap that doesn't benefit the kid(s)?

The child support is her own money.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Let me get personal

I am neither married.nor divorced nor have kids.

I am a college student and I work. Both are my priorities right now, not women.

But when I decide to deal with women on the sexual tip, I use Magnum XL condoms so please whoever is the individual that names themselves after halakhic law, cut your bullshit.

To the women that constantly bring up their experiences with deadbeat men, four words: that's your fucking fault. Alas need I remind you women it takes two. Unless he raped you, you decided to open up the nasty snatch and get preggo. Please don't give me that shit about men using condoms. First off contraceptive responsibility is a two way street.

Women: "Oh he should've used a rubber then he wouldnt be in this mess."

Aristotle: No bitch you shouldn't put your legs on his shoulders and let him penetrate you. Or how about taking a depo shot. Or how about abstaining from sex to make sure he is the right one.

Please spare me the shit about men should've used a condom. Because judging by some of the complaints hete, its your fault you decide to have a kid by an irresppnsible.

As for this college student with a huge penis and self control, excuse me while I laugh at you women complaining about your dealings with your kids.

For the record I do understand what its like for single motherhood, I was a product of one. I know what its like when a man abandons his responsibility. I was apart of that. One thing I learned from my mom was that she didnt bitch and moan and she worked her ass off to have sustainable income. My mother knew that her bad choices with men put her in that emotional situation but she arose from the ashes only to come out on top. She also understood that its more important for a man to be in his kids life than his money. As you can see there are plenty of men who pay their child support like a car note but dont take time to see their kids.

But on an ending note to you women bringing up your child support experiences I have two words: HA HA. Stop picking up men at bars.

Again, the bulk of child support issues is in the context of divorce, where the parents made a decision and commitment to have and raise children together as a married couple.

 

[Politico]

Not necessarily, and the fact of the matter is, they share that car, rent and groceries with their children.

If I didn't have kids, I wouldn't need a Ford Explorer, I wouldn't spend $400 a month on groceries, and I certainly wouldn't need a 3-bedroom house with 2 bathrooms.

Not necessarily? So you are saying as an adult you wouldn't need a place to live and wouldn't have the internet connection you used to type this? That's stupid. Of course you would. The difference lies between what you need and what you choose to have. You dont need a Ford Explorer. That point aside the difference is what it would cost you to normally live and the cost added with additional people in the household. Before you respond be warned I have been in this situation and know what the difference is.

 

[koshergrl]

I am saying exactly what I said. I wouldn't need a 3 bedroom home, I could live in a studio apartment. I wouldn't need a vehicle large enough for my two-four children and their various accoutrements, I could get by with a Geo. I wouldn't have a water bill that is $100/month, I would have a water bill less than $50. I wouldn't have an electric bill that is $86, I would have an electric bill of $50. I wouldn't need $400/month for groceries, I would need about $150. Be warned yourself. I have been in this situation and know the lay of the land as well. My internet costs $30/month. We have one computer, and the children use it until bedtime as they need/wish. So, if i actually did receive $300 in child support, and went directly to the spa with it on the day I received it...I have already spent $300 on the kids for food alone. The kids are cared for, their needs are met, I don't have to give up any and all extras just because their father pays his child support and views all expenditures that aren't directly for the children as a waste of "his" money.

 

[Politico]

So you acknowledge your additional expenses are around $400 a month. That is the number you would be asking for then.

 

[koshergrl]

Changing the topic, I see. Your point was that I would have all those things anyway...and as I've pointed out 3 times..wait, 4 times, now, no, I wouldn't have all those things anyway. Your initial insistence that they don't cost anything because I have to live in a house and drive a car is ridiculous.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't know, he may hate women and children more than he hates blacks.

 

[High_Gravity]

Someone, I think it was HG, said $300 a month was a fair amount for child support.

WTF?

That's 3,600 a year. You can't care for yourself on that. That doesn't even come close to poverty level heights.

Is that child support taxable? and no it's not nearly enough.

So what is enough? should the man just hand over his whole paycheck?

 

[Katzndogz]

The democrat solution and one that men buy into is that parents are not responsible, neither one, for child support. The answer is to raise taxes on both working men and women and use the tax money for child support. Sort of like the way welfare works. If you need a Ford Explorer the government will give you one since you can't afford it on your own. Housing will be allocated on a sq ft per person basis.

 

[Avatar4321]

So what is enough? should the man just hand over his whole paycheck?

If a man married a woman and has a child with her, the child would get any support they need. To be a parent, you sacrifice for your child.

That's the problem with our current culture. Everyone is short changed by the system. The Mother feels like she isnt getting enough to support the child. The father feels like the mother is trying to take more money than the child needs. And the child ends up being short changed by the parents.

 

[Katzndogz]

Someone, I think it was HG, said $300 a month was a fair amount for child support.

WTF?

That's 3,600 a year. You can't care for yourself on that. That doesn't even come close to poverty level heights.

Is that child support taxable? and no it's not nearly enough.

So what is enough? should the man just hand over his whole paycheck?

As I said, the numbers are all put into a computer program called Child Support Calculator, and whatever the number is, that's what's ordered.

 

[Katzndogz]

Here is something you can use to get an approximation of what child support should be paid. It isn't as sophisticated as the programs used by legal professionals, but it will give you a ball park figure and perhaps you will understand how child support is calculated.

Child Support Calculators

 

[koshergrl]

We used to use the uniform child support guidelines sheet, and submit it with the child support/custody order.

 

[Katzndogz]

We used to use the uniform child support guidelines sheet, and submit it with the child support/custody order.

That's OLD SCHOOL!

 

[High_Gravity]

So what is enough? should the man just hand over his whole paycheck?

If a man married a woman and has a child with her, the child would get any support they need. To be a parent, you sacrifice for your child.

That's the problem with our current culture. Everyone is short changed by the system. The Mother feels like she isnt getting enough to support the child. The father feels like the mother is trying to take more money than the child needs. And the child ends up being short changed by the parents.

I understand all that but what good can a father be to the child if he hands over all the cash to the ex and sleeps on a friends couch?

 

[koshergrl]

As a person with no children in the home, why would he NEED a big house? He just NEEDS shelter. That's Politico's stance...at least with regard to mom. A woman would have shelter regardless of whether her children are with her, so they should all be happy with shelter for one person..I imagine that goes for dad, too. He has no "need" of a private residence, he just "needs" shelter...so long as he has that, all his money should go directly to the kids.

And no, he shouldn't be paying for haircuts either. He doesn't *need* haircuts.