China Fears North Korea US Conflict At Any Moment

[Lucy Hamilton]

The good news is there is a government already positioned to take control of NK and it's SK's government. Cut the head of the snake off and the job is done.

No China would NOT accept that, now THAT would cause immense trouble, China will not accept North Korea and South Korea becoming Korea. Period.

 

[Unkotare]

The good news is there is a government already positioned to take control of NK and it's SK's government. Cut the head of the snake off and the job is done.

No China would NOT accept that, now THAT would cause immense trouble, China will not accept North Korea and South Korea becoming Korea. Period.

Oh, they'll accept it eventually. Depends on terms and circumstances.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

China has always had a complicated relationship with North Korea and also Japan and North Korea hates Japan and many people would say that that hate is somewhat justified.

If we just go back to 1592 when Japan invaded Korea and the following year China fought to keep hold of Pyongyang, Japan invaded again in 1597, for the next three hundred years Korea was a Chinese protectorate, then in 1894 Japan invaded Korea again (1894-95 Sino-Japanese War) that time the Chinese lost and by 1910 Korea completely lost it's independence and became a Colony of Japan and suffered a 25 year military occupation by the Japanese, Pyongyang has NEVER forgotten that.

Then the whole of the 1951-1953 Korean War....the LAST thing China wants is a reactivation of the Korean War, a war that never ended but instead has effectively been put on hold.

So China is the best to deal with North Korea, they have banned North Korean coal imports, now China has suspended all flights between Beijing and Pyongyang.

China will intervene, they probably will remove Kim Jong-Un HOWEVER they'll keep in place the North Korean Regime sans Kim Jong-Un, so North Korea will become a full Chinese Puppet State....China will make North Korea a Puppet State because China doesn't want North Korea and South Korea reuniting into Korea.

Works for me.

IF hostilities erupt in that region again, literally ANYTHING could happen.

EG. In the madness of the situation China might even decide to just take revenge on Japan, China has unfinished business with Japan, the Japanese for decades have feared China for this reason. The Chinese have neither forgotten nor forgiven things that the Japanese did during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) such as The Nanjing Massacre for instance.

Date December 13, 1937 – January 1938

Location Nanjing, China

Result

• 50,000–300,000 dead (primary sources)
• 40,000–300,000 dead (scholarly consensus)
• 300,000 dead (Chinese government, scholarly consensus in China)

Nanking Massacre - Wikipedia

Decaf

There are some things too terrible to joke about.

China is not going to attack Japan because NK is being a pain in the ass again.

I never said that, if you reread my post, I said IF hostilities erupt in that region again ANYTHING could happen in the madness of the situation and in that madness China could exact revenge on Japan.

The situation as it stands now and within the next few weeks, China are going to intervene in a non-military sense to bring North Korea under control.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The good news is there is a government already positioned to take control of NK and it's SK's government. Cut the head of the snake off and the job is done.

No China would NOT accept that, now THAT would cause immense trouble, China will not accept North Korea and South Korea becoming Korea. Period.

Oh, they'll accept it eventually. Depends on terms and circumstances.

The terms would probably be China being in control of Korea.

 

[Flopper]

China has warned that "conflict could brIeak out at any moment" as tension over North Korea increases.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi said if war occurred there could be no winner.

Mr Wang's comments come as the US voices increasing concern at North Korea's development of nuclear weapons and deploys a Navy carrier group off the Korean peninsula.

China fears North Korea-US conflict 'at any moment' - BBC News

So, why don't THEY do some thing to fix this?

No one can fix this except Trump or Kim. North Korea is an ally of China. They have a mutual defense treaty and trade agreements. Politically, China can not abandon North Korea because the two countries have strong ties.

Unfortunately we have two unpredictable demigods playing a game of chicken with millions of lives in the balance.

You just gave China a pass on it's support of a nuclear armed madman.

This is China's show. China is the nation that has the most leverage on North Korea and chooses to support them in their dangerous antics, instead of reining them in.


South Korea is the nation with the most on the line. They are the one that will pay the biggest price if this blows up. Why is this not their responsibility, more than ours?


Japan is right next door. WHat have they been doing? Are they children who look to US to take care of them?

Russia has a land border with NOrth Korea. THey no longer have a ideological alliance. Perhaps if it was not so "Cool" to slam PUtin, the world community with his leadership could have done something about North Korea.


This place is one of the places in the world were we have the LEAST leverage. Why are you putting this on TRUMP?

China has always had a complicated relationship with North Korea and also Japan and North Korea hates Japan and many people would say that that hate is somewhat justified.

If we just go back to 1592 when Japan invaded Korea and the following year China fought to keep hold of Pyongyang, Japan invaded again in 1597, for the next three hundred years Korea was a Chinese protectorate, then in 1894 Japan invaded Korea again (1894-95 Sino-Japanese War) that time the Chinese lost and by 1910 Korea completely lost it's independence and became a Colony of Japan and suffered a 25 year military occupation by the Japanese, Pyongyang has NEVER forgotten that.

Then the whole of the 1951-1953 Korean War....the LAST thing China wants is a reactivation of the Korean War, a war that never ended but instead has effectively been put on hold.

So China is the best to deal with North Korea, they have banned North Korean coal imports, now China has suspended all flights between Beijing and Pyongyang.

China will intervene, they probably will remove Kim Jong-Un HOWEVER they'll keep in place the North Korean Regime sans Kim Jong-Un, so North Korea will become a full Chinese Puppet State....China will make North Korea a Puppet State because China doesn't want North Korea and South Korea reuniting into Korea.

I wouldn't count on China making any changes in regard to North Korea sovereignty. The Central Politburo of the Communist Party of China is the most powerful decision making body in China and has a number of communist hardliners who are strong supporters of North Korea. Also the military wants to maintain the status quo in regard to North Korea. They want it there as independent state, not part of China that will serve as a military buffer. The only way I think that would change is if the North Korean leadership would weaken and unification would become a real possibility.

 

[idb]

Of how a military victory alone doesn't guarantee peace and, in fact, can really cause a greater mess if there's no wider plan beyond it.

In Iraq there was a wider plan and it was working well, but Obama dismantled it against the advice of the Pentagon and the diplomats because he believed our withdrawal from Iraq would help him win a second term.

Alternative history rides in to save the day!

In other words you are not sufficiently familiar with the facts to post something with substance.

Well, you're obviously posting joke comments...why shouldn't i?

The whole discussion is obviously going over your head.

Historical facts are obviously flying well over yours.

 

[Tresha91203]

So, why don't THEY do some thing to fix this?

No one can fix this except Trump or Kim. North Korea is an ally of China. They have a mutual defense treaty and trade agreements. Politically, China can not abandon North Korea because the two countries have strong ties.

Unfortunately we have two unpredictable demigods playing a game of chicken with millions of lives in the balance.

You just gave China a pass on it's support of a nuclear armed madman.

This is China's show. China is the nation that has the most leverage on North Korea and chooses to support them in their dangerous antics, instead of reining them in.


South Korea is the nation with the most on the line. They are the one that will pay the biggest price if this blows up. Why is this not their responsibility, more than ours?


Japan is right next door. WHat have they been doing? Are they children who look to US to take care of them?

Russia has a land border with NOrth Korea. THey no longer have a ideological alliance. Perhaps if it was not so "Cool" to slam PUtin, the world community with his leadership could have done something about North Korea.


This place is one of the places in the world were we have the LEAST leverage. Why are you putting this on TRUMP?

Simple because this is a Trump's show. Kim and his predecessor has been pulling this crap for over 20 years hoping to gain attention and prestige and for the most part world leaders have refused play, until Trump came on the scene.

You are trying act as if this is China and Russia's responsibility. Well it's not. They are not being threaten. They have trade agreements and friendly relations with North Korea. I would say it's probably difficult for these two countries to do anything that helps the US considering Trump's caustic rhetoric toward them for over a year.

This is not Trump's show.

For the most part, Kim has gotten plenty of "attention" from the world community.

China has certainly been supporting them.


This IS China's responsibility because they have the most leverage over North Korea, by far.

That China is not directly threatened does not change the fact that this is primarily their show.

CHina has had DECADES to stop supporting a dangerous loose cannon like North Korea.


To blame this situation on a guy that just showed up is complete bullshit.


Are the Chinese leaders children to allow some harsh language to prevent them from dealing with a nuclear danger with responsibility and maturity?

Simply because China has leverage over North Korea does not make it their responsible to settle disputes between the US and North Korea. China and the US have no mutual defense agreements. We don't even have any trade agreements. The only entity that has a responsibility to settle disagreements between nations is the UN and Trump has not bothered to involve them.

Until Trump decided on unilateral actions against North Korea, China was a currency manipulator raping the United States, a state sponsor of cyber hacking, and a villain.

WTF? The UN has been doing NOTHING and it was there long before Trump. NK insists it is actively working on weapons to use against us as soon as possible. What has the UN done about NK? If they had gotten off their asses and done the job they were created to do, we wouldn't be in this mess! The UN is much too busy obsessing over Israel.

 

[Unkotare]

The good news is there is a government already positioned to take control of NK and it's SK's government. Cut the head of the snake off and the job is done.

No China would NOT accept that, now THAT would cause immense trouble, China will not accept North Korea and South Korea becoming Korea. Period.

Oh, they'll accept it eventually. Depends on terms and circumstances.

The terms would probably be China being in control of Korea.

Not feasible.

 

[yiostheoy]

Looks like fat boy Kim chickened on any further nuke or missile tests so far.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Looks like fat boy Kim chickened on any further nuke or missile tests so far.

Get with the programme already, North Korea has a few hours ago had a missile launch, of course it wasn't successful.

China Fears North Korea US Conflict At Any Moment

 

[Mac1958]

Very interesting piece by former secretary of defense William Perry:

How to Make a Deal With North Korea

The North Korean leadership, while it is evil and sometimes reckless, is not crazy or suicidal. Their primary goal is to sustain the Kim dynasty and, against all odds, they have shrewdly succeeded in that for many decades. They know that if they launch a nuclear attack, the American response would bring death to them and devastation to their country.

The primary danger instead is that North Korea might overplay its hand and provoke a military response from South Korea. This could quickly expand into a larger conventional war, inevitably involving the United States, which has almost 30,000 troops based in South Korea. North Korea would lose such a war, and as the leadership sees their regime collapsing, they might then launch their nuclear weapons in one last desperate move—a Korean Armageddon. Our diplomacy should be tailored to prevent that catastrophic outcome.

The alternative to diplomacy, of course, is military action. The United States could readily strike nuclear facilities in North Korea, just as we struck a military airfield in Syria. But the consequences could be far more destructive. I believe that North Korea would respond with some sort of military strike against South Korea, which in turn could rapidly escalate into a broader war. Any such war would lead to the eventual defeat of North Korea, but with devastating results, especially to our ally, South Korea.

We might have to use military force against North Korea at some point, but now is not the time. We still have a real opportunity for successful diplomacy.
.

 

[Correll]

Very interesting piece by former secretary of defense William Perry:

How to Make a Deal With North Korea

The North Korean leadership, while it is evil and sometimes reckless, is not crazy or suicidal. Their primary goal is to sustain the Kim dynasty and, against all odds, they have shrewdly succeeded in that for many decades. They know that if they launch a nuclear attack, the American response would bring death to them and devastation to their country.

The primary danger instead is that North Korea might overplay its hand and provoke a military response from South Korea. This could quickly expand into a larger conventional war, inevitably involving the United States, which has almost 30,000 troops based in South Korea. North Korea would lose such a war, and as the leadership sees their regime collapsing, they might then launch their nuclear weapons in one last desperate move—a Korean Armageddon. Our diplomacy should be tailored to prevent that catastrophic outcome.

The alternative to diplomacy, of course, is military action. The United States could readily strike nuclear facilities in North Korea, just as we struck a military airfield in Syria. But the consequences could be far more destructive. I believe that North Korea would respond with some sort of military strike against South Korea, which in turn could rapidly escalate into a broader war. Any such war would lead to the eventual defeat of North Korea, but with devastating results, especially to our ally, South Korea.

We might have to use military force against North Korea at some point, but now is not the time. We still have a real opportunity for successful diplomacy.
.

There is no danger of a South Korean attack.

They have chosen to have their capital and main city in artillery range of North Korea. THey are thus committed to NOT having a war with North Korea.

 

[Mac1958]

Very interesting piece by former secretary of defense William Perry:

How to Make a Deal With North Korea

The North Korean leadership, while it is evil and sometimes reckless, is not crazy or suicidal. Their primary goal is to sustain the Kim dynasty and, against all odds, they have shrewdly succeeded in that for many decades. They know that if they launch a nuclear attack, the American response would bring death to them and devastation to their country.

The primary danger instead is that North Korea might overplay its hand and provoke a military response from South Korea. This could quickly expand into a larger conventional war, inevitably involving the United States, which has almost 30,000 troops based in South Korea. North Korea would lose such a war, and as the leadership sees their regime collapsing, they might then launch their nuclear weapons in one last desperate move—a Korean Armageddon. Our diplomacy should be tailored to prevent that catastrophic outcome.

The alternative to diplomacy, of course, is military action. The United States could readily strike nuclear facilities in North Korea, just as we struck a military airfield in Syria. But the consequences could be far more destructive. I believe that North Korea would respond with some sort of military strike against South Korea, which in turn could rapidly escalate into a broader war. Any such war would lead to the eventual defeat of North Korea, but with devastating results, especially to our ally, South Korea.

We might have to use military force against North Korea at some point, but now is not the time. We still have a real opportunity for successful diplomacy.
.

There is no danger of a South Korean attack.

They have chosen to have their capital and main city in artillery range of North Korea. THey are thus committed to NOT having a war with North Korea.

I think what he's saying is that NK could actually do something that could be interpreted as the beginning of military aggression. Surely SK is on its highest military alert right now, and some action by NK could force them to react, leading to a rapid escalation.

In a situation this tense, I'd think it wouldn't necessarily take much.

That's my guess, anyway.
.

 

[Correll]

Very interesting piece by former secretary of defense William Perry:

How to Make a Deal With North Korea

The North Korean leadership, while it is evil and sometimes reckless, is not crazy or suicidal. Their primary goal is to sustain the Kim dynasty and, against all odds, they have shrewdly succeeded in that for many decades. They know that if they launch a nuclear attack, the American response would bring death to them and devastation to their country.

The primary danger instead is that North Korea might overplay its hand and provoke a military response from South Korea. This could quickly expand into a larger conventional war, inevitably involving the United States, which has almost 30,000 troops based in South Korea. North Korea would lose such a war, and as the leadership sees their regime collapsing, they might then launch their nuclear weapons in one last desperate move—a Korean Armageddon. Our diplomacy should be tailored to prevent that catastrophic outcome.

The alternative to diplomacy, of course, is military action. The United States could readily strike nuclear facilities in North Korea, just as we struck a military airfield in Syria. But the consequences could be far more destructive. I believe that North Korea would respond with some sort of military strike against South Korea, which in turn could rapidly escalate into a broader war. Any such war would lead to the eventual defeat of North Korea, but with devastating results, especially to our ally, South Korea.

We might have to use military force against North Korea at some point, but now is not the time. We still have a real opportunity for successful diplomacy.
.

There is no danger of a South Korean attack.

They have chosen to have their capital and main city in artillery range of North Korea. THey are thus committed to NOT having a war with North Korea.

I think what he's saying is that NK could actually do something that could be interpreted as the beginning of military aggression. Surely SK is on its highest military alert right now, and some action by NK could force them to react, leading to a rapid escalation.

In a situation this tense, I'd think it wouldn't necessarily take much.

That's my guess, anyway.
.

I agree that that is what he meant.


ANd more point is that South Korea will NOT take military action until artillery shells are falling in Seoul.


Because avoiding that is their number one priority.



If not ONLY priority.



IF there was ANY chance that they would consider action, they would have taken steps to shift the center of their political and economic life OUT OF ARTILLERY RANGE.

 

[edward37]

So, why don't THEY do some thing to fix this?

No one can fix this except Trump or Kim. North Korea is an ally of China. They have a mutual defense treaty and trade agreements. Politically, China can not abandon North Korea because the two countries have strong ties.

Unfortunately we have two unpredictable demigods playing a game of chicken with millions of lives in the balance.

You just gave China a pass on it's support of a nuclear armed madman.

This is China's show. China is the nation that has the most leverage on North Korea and chooses to support them in their dangerous antics, instead of reining them in.


South Korea is the nation with the most on the line. They are the one that will pay the biggest price if this blows up. Why is this not their responsibility, more than ours?


Japan is right next door. WHat have they been doing? Are they children who look to US to take care of them?

Russia has a land border with NOrth Korea. THey no longer have a ideological alliance. Perhaps if it was not so "Cool" to slam PUtin, the world community with his leadership could have done something about North Korea.


This place is one of the places in the world were we have the LEAST leverage. Why are you putting this on TRUMP?

Simple because this is a Trump's show. Kim and his predecessor has been pulling this crap for over 20 years hoping to gain attention and prestige and for the most part world leaders have refused play, until Trump came on the scene.

You are trying act as if this is China and Russia's responsibility. Well it's not. They are not being threaten. They have trade agreements and friendly relations with North Korea. I would say it's probably difficult for these two countries to do anything that helps the US considering Trump's caustic rhetoric toward them for over a year.

This is not Trump's show.

For the most part, Kim has gotten plenty of "attention" from the world community.

China has certainly been supporting them.


This IS China's responsibility because they have the most leverage over North Korea, by far.

That China is not directly threatened does not change the fact that this is primarily their show.

CHina has had DECADES to stop supporting a dangerous loose cannon like North Korea.


To blame this situation on a guy that just showed up is complete bullshit.


Are the Chinese leaders children to allow some harsh language to prevent them from dealing with a nuclear danger with responsibility and maturity?

Simply because China has leverage over North Korea does not make it their responsible to settle disputes between the US and North Korea. China and the US have no mutual defense agreements. We don't even have any trade agreements. The only entity that has a responsibility to settle disagreements between nations is the UN and Trump has not bothered to involve them.

Until Trump decided on unilateral actions against North Korea, China was a currency manipulator raping the United States, a state sponsor of cyber hacking, and a villain.

Ain't it funny how trump changes Now he promises great trade deals to China for their help with NK Imagine the worst country in the world ,,according to dump becomes our friend

 

[edward37]

Listen calm down all. That goose stepping show army of NK is a paper tiger. Their fuel comes from outside of their country. They have not been battle tested or hardened since the Korean war.
They can kill a bunch of South Koreans but they must know that is all they can do before we take the nation apart and replace their leadership.
In other words they will blink, China will make sure of it.

how many american lives are you willing to see die? and btw America was great way before the con man became president

 

[Richard-H]

The U.S. can destroy NK submarines without a trace of what happened. We can destroy their intermediate & long range missile capabilities.

The only real NK deterrent is their artillery on the SK border. If the U.S. can devise a way of destroying that capability, before they can fire on Seoul, NK is defenseless.

 

[Flopper]

No one can fix this except Trump or Kim. North Korea is an ally of China. They have a mutual defense treaty and trade agreements. Politically, China can not abandon North Korea because the two countries have strong ties.

Unfortunately we have two unpredictable demigods playing a game of chicken with millions of lives in the balance.

You just gave China a pass on it's support of a nuclear armed madman.

This is China's show. China is the nation that has the most leverage on North Korea and chooses to support them in their dangerous antics, instead of reining them in.


South Korea is the nation with the most on the line. They are the one that will pay the biggest price if this blows up. Why is this not their responsibility, more than ours?


Japan is right next door. WHat have they been doing? Are they children who look to US to take care of them?

Russia has a land border with NOrth Korea. THey no longer have a ideological alliance. Perhaps if it was not so "Cool" to slam PUtin, the world community with his leadership could have done something about North Korea.


This place is one of the places in the world were we have the LEAST leverage. Why are you putting this on TRUMP?

Simple because this is a Trump's show. Kim and his predecessor has been pulling this crap for over 20 years hoping to gain attention and prestige and for the most part world leaders have refused play, until Trump came on the scene.

You are trying act as if this is China and Russia's responsibility. Well it's not. They are not being threaten. They have trade agreements and friendly relations with North Korea. I would say it's probably difficult for these two countries to do anything that helps the US considering Trump's caustic rhetoric toward them for over a year.

This is not Trump's show.

For the most part, Kim has gotten plenty of "attention" from the world community.

China has certainly been supporting them.


This IS China's responsibility because they have the most leverage over North Korea, by far.

That China is not directly threatened does not change the fact that this is primarily their show.

CHina has had DECADES to stop supporting a dangerous loose cannon like North Korea.


To blame this situation on a guy that just showed up is complete bullshit.


Are the Chinese leaders children to allow some harsh language to prevent them from dealing with a nuclear danger with responsibility and maturity?

Simply because China has leverage over North Korea does not make it their responsible to settle disputes between the US and North Korea. China and the US have no mutual defense agreements. We don't even have any trade agreements. The only entity that has a responsibility to settle disagreements between nations is the UN and Trump has not bothered to involve them.

Until Trump decided on unilateral actions against North Korea, China was a currency manipulator raping the United States, a state sponsor of cyber hacking, and a villain.

WTF? The UN has been doing NOTHING and it was there long before Trump. NK insists it is actively working on weapons to use against us as soon as possible. What has the UN done about NK? If they had gotten off their asses and done the job they were created to do, we wouldn't be in this mess! The UN is much too busy obsessing over Israel.

For the UN to intercede there has to be active support from it's members. Is Trump addressing the UN, No. Is Trump building a coalition of nations, No. Instead of building consensus, he's sending Pence and a naval task group to Korea and telling the world he'll act alone.

The sad fact is he probably has no other choice. He's made enemies out of China and Russia who hold two permanent seats on the Security Council and the only two countries that has any chance of influencing N.K.

 

[Flopper]

The U.S. can destroy NK submarines without a trace of what happened. We can destroy their intermediate & long range missile capabilities.

The only real NK deterrent is their artillery on the SK border. If the U.S. can devise a way of destroying that capability, before they can fire on Seoul, NK is defenseless.

There is no doubt the US can obliterate NK but at what cost. Maybe NK can't drop nuclear weapons on the US but they sure as hell can hit South Korea and Japan where there are 75,000 US military and over 100,000 US civilians.

BTW Seoul with a population of over 10 million is only 150 miles from the DMZ or 15 mins by air. 70% of NK's 1 million active duty military personnel are within 90 miles of the DMZ.

 

[Tresha91203]

You just gave China a pass on it's support of a nuclear armed madman.

This is China's show. China is the nation that has the most leverage on North Korea and chooses to support them in their dangerous antics, instead of reining them in.


South Korea is the nation with the most on the line. They are the one that will pay the biggest price if this blows up. Why is this not their responsibility, more than ours?


Japan is right next door. WHat have they been doing? Are they children who look to US to take care of them?

Russia has a land border with NOrth Korea. THey no longer have a ideological alliance. Perhaps if it was not so "Cool" to slam PUtin, the world community with his leadership could have done something about North Korea.


This place is one of the places in the world were we have the LEAST leverage. Why are you putting this on TRUMP?

Simple because this is a Trump's show. Kim and his predecessor has been pulling this crap for over 20 years hoping to gain attention and prestige and for the most part world leaders have refused play, until Trump came on the scene.

You are trying act as if this is China and Russia's responsibility. Well it's not. They are not being threaten. They have trade agreements and friendly relations with North Korea. I would say it's probably difficult for these two countries to do anything that helps the US considering Trump's caustic rhetoric toward them for over a year.

This is not Trump's show.

For the most part, Kim has gotten plenty of "attention" from the world community.

China has certainly been supporting them.


This IS China's responsibility because they have the most leverage over North Korea, by far.

That China is not directly threatened does not change the fact that this is primarily their show.

CHina has had DECADES to stop supporting a dangerous loose cannon like North Korea.


To blame this situation on a guy that just showed up is complete bullshit.


Are the Chinese leaders children to allow some harsh language to prevent them from dealing with a nuclear danger with responsibility and maturity?

Simply because China has leverage over North Korea does not make it their responsible to settle disputes between the US and North Korea. China and the US have no mutual defense agreements. We don't even have any trade agreements. The only entity that has a responsibility to settle disagreements between nations is the UN and Trump has not bothered to involve them.

Until Trump decided on unilateral actions against North Korea, China was a currency manipulator raping the United States, a state sponsor of cyber hacking, and a villain.

WTF? The UN has been doing NOTHING and it was there long before Trump. NK insists it is actively working on weapons to use against us as soon as possible. What has the UN done about NK? If they had gotten off their asses and done the job they were created to do, we wouldn't be in this mess! The UN is much too busy obsessing over Israel.

For the UN to intercede there has to be active support from it's members. Is Trump addressing the UN, No. Is Trump building a coalition of nations, No. Instead of building consensus, he's sending Pence and a naval task group to Korea and telling the world he'll act alone.

The sad fact is he probably has no other choice. He's made enemies out of China and Russia who hold two permanent seats on the Security Council and the only two countries that has any chance of influencing N.K.

The US had tried diplomacy for decades through several administrations. It fails every time because NK intends to strike the US as soon as it is possible. They have been very clear about their aims.

When someone shows you who he is, believe him.

The idea that we are rushing into something is ridiculous. Decades of negotiations and agreements have all been broken by NK. How exactly is that rushing?

Regarding the UN, the only entity responsible for handling this mess, they don't care. They aren't interested as you admit. Their only interest is bitching about Israel. Meanwhile, NK is still actively progressing in their mission to attack us. So, it is up to China or us.