Christian Gouls Stalking The Oso Mudslide...Disgusting !

[Againsheila]

The very LAST thing I would want to hear as a relative of a victim of a tragedy such as what occured in Oso is that this was "gods will".

In FACT it was Man's will for overlooking the report that this very thing WAS predicted by engineers and surveyors and greedy stupid people...real estate agents... ignorant county officials ..land use representatatives..all probably "good god fearing" morons. Because apparantly fish runs are more important than human lives when it comes to greed and land use.

Just another reason why people that believe in fairy tales should have no access to power.

God doesn't kill people ...stupid people that believe in god do.

Those who believe in fairy tales don't have access to power.

Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

If I had Samson's power, I would be out saving more people. God didn't choose that for me. Believe me, I would love to save people from disaster with superman like powers. You made your choice and now mankind has to live apart from God if you want. You get what you get and you don't get upset.


I lived next to a town that flooded. They lived next to the river and when it flooded, the water overflowed one street and covered cars. A politician made it possible for apartment buildings to be built on an island near where it flooded and based on that flood, I could accurately predict that someone's living room will be six feet under water in the next flood.
People called this politician's office and he went ahead and did it anyway. It is about money. The politician also ran a campaign where he said he cared.

I live in a flood zone. Do you know what? Few people care. We were at a town meeting and those on my block who were in the flood zone had one position and those who didn't live in the flood zone on my block had a different position. Guess who cared? Those who lived in the flood zone cared.

Like I said. People that believe in fairy tales are gulible. MOST of the people that lived in Oso were probably "good god fearing people" that prayed that something like this would never happen. They "tricked" themselves into believing that if they went to church and put money in the basket and listened to all that gobbly gook that god would look favorably on them.

Anyone with half a brain and the ability to reason and understand that that hillside had collapsed several times already in the not so distant past ..probably coincidental to above average rainfall...could have looked at a rain gauge and noticed that the recent rainfall was at an all time record and that clearly this incident was not only possible but nearly a CERTAINTY !!!

Lesson..spend less time cramming your head full of nonsense and a little more time on facts and you will live longer.

If any good comes out of this event it should be an eye opener for other communities in a similar geophysical setting.

The Army Corp of Engineers knew the hillside was going to fail and did NOTHING, and you're blaming God?

 

[Againsheila]

A vision has sprouted: Churches Standing Together for Oso Mudslide Relief. | Eugene Cho

We’ll be launching a special fund this week with hopes of raising $100,000 through various churches around Seattle, Belleuve, Puget Sound, Pacific Northwest, and around the country/world. We’re working on the website right now so we’ll need your help to share it but as you’re reading this, maybe you might encourage your church this weekend to consider joining us

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Those evil Christians, raising $100,000 to help the victims, how dare they?

 

[Amelia]

The very LAST thing I would want to hear as a relative of a victim of a tragedy such as what occured in Oso is that this was "gods will".

In FACT it was Man's will for overlooking the report that this very thing WAS predicted by engineers and surveyors and greedy stupid people...real estate agents... ignorant county officials ..land use representatatives..all probably "good god fearing" morons. Because apparantly fish runs are more important than human lives when it comes to greed and land use.

Just another reason why people that believe in fairy tales should have no access to power.

God doesn't kill people ...stupid people that believe in god do.

Who says that the clergy are going to claim it is God's will?


After the Murrah Federal Building bombing, my bishop went to OKC to help. He was a dentist. He went to help identify remains.

 

[HUGGY]

There is no limit to the hubris of Christians.

Can't they wait until a funeral before they push that old mumbo jumbo off on the victims of the mudslide in Oso?

If someone in MY immediate family was disrespected by these Christian gouls as they were being recovered from a muddy grave I would be livid.

My reaction to reports on the telly that clergy was standing by at the site of the disaster to perform some hocus pocus over the dead.
Next you'll be telling me I can't mourn for the loss of those people, or pray for them and their families.

As I have pointed out in most of my posts regarding Christians... your thinking and portrayal of my posts is flawed.

YOU can do anything YOU want. It is non of my business what you do in private. It is the embedding of the Christian religious carnival of practices in public response to tragedy and disaster I find offensive. I have LESS of a problem with people performing neccessary functions that just happen to be Christians.

 

[HUGGY]

Those who believe in fairy tales don't have access to power.

Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

If I had Samson's power, I would be out saving more people. God didn't choose that for me. Believe me, I would love to save people from disaster with superman like powers. You made your choice and now mankind has to live apart from God if you want. You get what you get and you don't get upset.


I lived next to a town that flooded. They lived next to the river and when it flooded, the water overflowed one street and covered cars. A politician made it possible for apartment buildings to be built on an island near where it flooded and based on that flood, I could accurately predict that someone's living room will be six feet under water in the next flood.
People called this politician's office and he went ahead and did it anyway. It is about money. The politician also ran a campaign where he said he cared.

I live in a flood zone. Do you know what? Few people care. We were at a town meeting and those on my block who were in the flood zone had one position and those who didn't live in the flood zone on my block had a different position. Guess who cared? Those who lived in the flood zone cared.

Like I said. People that believe in fairy tales are gulible. MOST of the people that lived in Oso were probably "good god fearing people" that prayed that something like this would never happen. They "tricked" themselves into believing that if they went to church and put money in the basket and listened to all that gobbly gook that god would look favorably on them.

Anyone with half a brain and the ability to reason and understand that that hillside had collapsed several times already in the not so distant past ..probably coincidental to above average rainfall...could have looked at a rain gauge and noticed that the recent rainfall was at an all time record and that clearly this incident was not only possible but nearly a CERTAINTY !!!

Lesson..spend less time cramming your head full of nonsense and a little more time on facts and you will live longer.

If any good comes out of this event it should be an eye opener for other communities in a similar geophysical setting.

The Army Corp of Engineers knew the hillside was going to fail and did NOTHING, and you're blaming God?

Obviously! God is good. God has a plan for everything. God cares about humans. We are God's favorites. Clearly god put this disaster off so as to not interfere with football season. Of course God caused the mudslide to happen. God wanted the residents of Oso with him in heaven. They are in a better place now. God likes to take stupid people like the ones that lived in Oso to be with him and hang out. He enjoys their company because he is a jealous God and has to continuously feel superior. He caused them to live clearly right at the foot of a very repeatable and factually predicted disaster waiting for the neccessary amount of rainfall to happen. AND since God is responsible for every drop of rain that falls..who else could be responsible? When you get right down to it...God made the residents of Oso stupid also. It may "appear" that they chose to live there ignoring the scientific survey gauranteeing a massive slide but that is obviously impossible as God has the playbook...not humans.

 

[HUGGY]

The very LAST thing I would want to hear as a relative of a victim of a tragedy such as what occured in Oso is that this was "gods will".

In FACT it was Man's will for overlooking the report that this very thing WAS predicted by engineers and surveyors and greedy stupid people...real estate agents... ignorant county officials ..land use representatatives..all probably "good god fearing" morons. Because apparantly fish runs are more important than human lives when it comes to greed and land use.

Just another reason why people that believe in fairy tales should have no access to power.

God doesn't kill people ...stupid people that believe in god do.

Who says that the clergy are going to claim it is God's will?


After the Murrah Federal Building bombing, my bishop went to OKC to help. He was a dentist. He went to help identify remains.

I'm no expert but one would think that to attain the title "clergy" that person pretty much has to believe EVERYTHING is God's will.. Doncha think?

 

[HUGGY]

I would like to repeat that anyone doing something USEFULL for victims of tragedy is a good thing.

That is not to say that EVERYTHING Christians believe they do "out of purely good motivation" is in fact that. Take Alcoholics Annonymous. In thier 12 step program they slip in that one must turn one's self over to God.

 

[MeBelle]

I would like to repeat that anyone doing something USEFULL for victims of tragedy is a good thing.

That is not to say that EVERYTHING Christians believe they do "out of purely good motivation" is in fact that. Take Alcoholics Annonymous. In thier 12 step program they slip in that one must turn one's self over to God.

No.
Step 2 – We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

...like the Sea, or Humanity or the Universe.

 

[HUGGY]

I would like to repeat that anyone doing something USEFULL for victims of tragedy is a good thing.

That is not to say that EVERYTHING Christians believe they do "out of purely good motivation" is in fact that. Take Alcoholics Annonymous. In thier 12 step program they slip in that one must turn one's self over to God.

No.
Step 2 – We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

...like the Sea, or Humanity or the Universe.

There is no power anyone can tap into greater than your own mind.

You are the captain of your own ship.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Newslink?

I didn't get it off the internet. It was reported on KING TV Seattle about an hour ago. It wasn't reported as a special story... just matter of factly as if it was expected to be part of SOP. "Clergy standing by" Standing by for WHAT? Can't they wait untill the dead are identified at least and it is KNOWN that the victim was a believer in their brand of nonsense?

There needs to be an atheists representative "standing by" to choke the ever living shit out of these Christians that attempt to push their BS off on victims that can't speak for themselves or their loved ones that don't buy into the sky fairy myths.

Our church took a feeding truck that can feed 1,000 people an hour and they fed National Guardsmen, police and first responders when it was sent down to New Orleans when it flooded and they sent down a tractor trailer full of supplies.

When 9-11 happened, our church sent a $20,000 check up to New York to help.

People who go to this training program are usually people who are church leaders so you (1) have people who are responsible for and to the church and (2) are responsible for the money going to administer aid. They basically get something like first responder training.

These are the Gouls you are looking for.

THAT is helping.

Big difference between that and standing around, waving a bible in the air.

 

[HUGGY]

I didn't get it off the internet. It was reported on KING TV Seattle about an hour ago. It wasn't reported as a special story... just matter of factly as if it was expected to be part of SOP. "Clergy standing by" Standing by for WHAT? Can't they wait untill the dead are identified at least and it is KNOWN that the victim was a believer in their brand of nonsense?

There needs to be an atheists representative "standing by" to choke the ever living shit out of these Christians that attempt to push their BS off on victims that can't speak for themselves or their loved ones that don't buy into the sky fairy myths.

Our church took a feeding truck that can feed 1,000 people an hour and they fed National Guardsmen, police and first responders when it was sent down to New Orleans when it flooded and they sent down a tractor trailer full of supplies.

When 9-11 happened, our church sent a $20,000 check up to New York to help.

People who go to this training program are usually people who are church leaders so you (1) have people who are responsible for and to the church and (2) are responsible for the money going to administer aid. They basically get something like first responder training.

These are the Gouls you are looking for.

THAT is helping.

Big difference between that and standing around, waving a bible in the air.

I agree. Up here there is constant preasure on the media to donate to the Red Cross. There is constant begging by Hots to send money to Arlington and Darrington. He wants cash.

In an overwhelming catastrophy such as this Hots should be thinking long term. He should take some of this money to the local Murphy auction and buy some equipment like a couple of used excavators and loaders rather than rent or lease to some local construction company. These townships should be hiring machine operators and repair personell if only because we are looking at a cleanup lasting maybe more than a couple of years. The volume of the debris is huge and the going must be slow because there are bodies in amongst the mud and debris.

They need to hire a comptroller just to manage this just as if it were a huge construction project.

Throwing money around at this point is wastefull. There are no survivors left to save and the sooner they stop this nonsense about "rescue" the sooner those still missing loved ones will come to the realization their family members swept away are just that..gone.

 

[guno]

There isn't much difference between today's anti-Christian movement to the 30's Nazis who blamed everything on the Jews.

Really? As some who has lost relatives in the shoa by german christians nazis that is so offensive, the christians have spent their history against the Jews, and unbelivers and what made it possible was the christian bible where the Jews were called the devil and christ killers. That is what made it's all possible from the inquisitions to the holocaust , the passion plays the blood libel :christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts,


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Hitler's Christianity

 

[Againsheila]

Like I said. People that believe in fairy tales are gulible. MOST of the people that lived in Oso were probably "good god fearing people" that prayed that something like this would never happen. They "tricked" themselves into believing that if they went to church and put money in the basket and listened to all that gobbly gook that god would look favorably on them.

Anyone with half a brain and the ability to reason and understand that that hillside had collapsed several times already in the not so distant past ..probably coincidental to above average rainfall...could have looked at a rain gauge and noticed that the recent rainfall was at an all time record and that clearly this incident was not only possible but nearly a CERTAINTY !!!

Lesson..spend less time cramming your head full of nonsense and a little more time on facts and you will live longer.

If any good comes out of this event it should be an eye opener for other communities in a similar geophysical setting.

The Army Corp of Engineers knew the hillside was going to fail and did NOTHING, and you're blaming God?

Obviously! God is good. God has a plan for everything. God cares about humans. We are God's favorites. Clearly god put this disaster off so as to not interfere with football season. Of course God caused the mudslide to happen. God wanted the residents of Oso with him in heaven. They are in a better place now. God likes to take stupid people like the ones that lived in Oso to be with him and hang out. He enjoys their company because he is a jealous God and has to continuously feel superior. He caused them to live clearly right at the foot of a very repeatable and factually predicted disaster waiting for the neccessary amount of rainfall to happen. AND since God is responsible for every drop of rain that falls..who else could be responsible? When you get right down to it...God made the residents of Oso stupid also. It may "appear" that they chose to live there ignoring the scientific survey gauranteeing a massive slide but that is obviously impossible as God has the playbook...not humans.

The only thing you got right is they are in a better place now.

 

[dilloduck]

There isn't much difference between today's anti-Christian movement to the 30's Nazis who blamed everything on the Jews.

Really? As some who has lost relatives in the shoa by german christians nazis that is so offensive, the christians have spent their history against the Jews, and unbelivers and what made it possible was the christian bible where the Jews were called the devil and christ killers. That is what made it's all possible from the inquisitions to the holocaust , the passion plays the blood libel :christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts,

Hitler's Christianity

uh oh---does AIPAC know this ?

 

[Againsheila]

The very LAST thing I would want to hear as a relative of a victim of a tragedy such as what occured in Oso is that this was "gods will".

In FACT it was Man's will for overlooking the report that this very thing WAS predicted by engineers and surveyors and greedy stupid people...real estate agents... ignorant county officials ..land use representatatives..all probably "good god fearing" morons. Because apparantly fish runs are more important than human lives when it comes to greed and land use.

Just another reason why people that believe in fairy tales should have no access to power.

God doesn't kill people ...stupid people that believe in god do.

Who says that the clergy are going to claim it is God's will?


After the Murrah Federal Building bombing, my bishop went to OKC to help. He was a dentist. He went to help identify remains.

I'm no expert but one would think that to attain the title "clergy" that person pretty much has to believe EVERYTHING is God's will.. Doncha think?

God gave us free will. The Army Corp of Engineers knew the hillside was going to fail and they did nothing. That's not God's will, that's human greed, selfishness and stupidity.

 

[dilloduck]

Our church took a feeding truck that can feed 1,000 people an hour and they fed National Guardsmen, police and first responders when it was sent down to New Orleans when it flooded and they sent down a tractor trailer full of supplies.

When 9-11 happened, our church sent a $20,000 check up to New York to help.

People who go to this training program are usually people who are church leaders so you (1) have people who are responsible for and to the church and (2) are responsible for the money going to administer aid. They basically get something like first responder training.

These are the Gouls you are looking for.

THAT is helping.

Big difference between that and standing around, waving a bible in the air.

I agree. Up here there is constant preasure on the media to donate to the Red Cross. There is constant begging by Hots to send money to Arlington and Darrington. He wants cash.

In an overwhelming catastrophy such as this Hots should be thinking long term. He should take some of this money to the local Murphy auction and buy some equipment like a couple of used excavators and loaders rather than rent or lease to some local construction company. These townships should be hiring machine operators and repair personell if only because we are looking at a cleanup lasting maybe more than a couple of years. The volume of the debris is huge and the going must be slow because there are bodies in amongst the mud and debris.

They need to hire a comptroller just to manage this just as if it were a huge construction project.

Throwing money around at this point is wastefull. There are no survivors left to save and the sooner they stop this nonsense about "rescue" the sooner those still missing loved ones will come to the realization their family members swept away are just that..gone.

There is no suck thing as a bad disaster for the Red Cross----they will use the hell out of it to beg for money.

 

[Againsheila]

I would like to repeat that anyone doing something USEFULL for victims of tragedy is a good thing.

That is not to say that EVERYTHING Christians believe they do "out of purely good motivation" is in fact that. Take Alcoholics Annonymous. In thier 12 step program they slip in that one must turn one's self over to God.

No.
Step 2 – We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

...like the Sea, or Humanity or the Universe.

There is no power anyone can tap into greater than your own mind.

You are the captain of your own ship.

No humility in your family, you got it all, right?

 

[Papageorgio]

I didn't get it off the internet. It was reported on KING TV Seattle about an hour ago. It wasn't reported as a special story... just matter of factly as if it was expected to be part of SOP. "Clergy standing by" Standing by for WHAT? Can't they wait untill the dead are identified at least and it is KNOWN that the victim was a believer in their brand of nonsense?

There needs to be an atheists representative "standing by" to choke the ever living shit out of these Christians that attempt to push their BS off on victims that can't speak for themselves or their loved ones that don't buy into the sky fairy myths.

Huggy,

There are some Christians who are trained by organizations to give assistance or help when disasters strike. It came to a church near me and I just couldn't sign up and go without training.

Is this what you are talking about?

https://www.facebook.com/BGRapidResponseTeam

If disaster struck, I'd rather them help me than no one.

Chuck

When I was younger, I volunteered with the Red Cross, went to disaster sites and actually helped. IMO, that's different than just standing around with a book of myths in your hand.

Got to love the self righteous bigots like Luddly, they are to funny.


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[Againsheila]

Our church took a feeding truck that can feed 1,000 people an hour and they fed National Guardsmen, police and first responders when it was sent down to New Orleans when it flooded and they sent down a tractor trailer full of supplies.

When 9-11 happened, our church sent a $20,000 check up to New York to help.

People who go to this training program are usually people who are church leaders so you (1) have people who are responsible for and to the church and (2) are responsible for the money going to administer aid. They basically get something like first responder training.

These are the Gouls you are looking for.

THAT is helping.

Big difference between that and standing around, waving a bible in the air.

I agree. Up here there is constant preasure on the media to donate to the Red Cross. There is constant begging by Hots to send money to Arlington and Darrington. He wants cash.

In an overwhelming catastrophy such as this Hots should be thinking long term. He should take some of this money to the local Murphy auction and buy some equipment like a couple of used excavators and loaders rather than rent or lease to some local construction company. These townships should be hiring machine operators and repair personell if only because we are looking at a cleanup lasting maybe more than a couple of years. The volume of the debris is huge and the going must be slow because there are bodies in amongst the mud and debris.

They need to hire a comptroller just to manage this just as if it were a huge construction project.

Throwing money around at this point is wastefull. There are no survivors left to save and the sooner they stop this nonsense about "rescue" the sooner those still missing loved ones will come to the realization their family members swept away are just that..gone.

The families are going to need financial help. They've lost everything. They will need help to live and eat while they grieve and most will need help to bury their loved ones.

 

[Papageorgio]

I would like to repeat that anyone doing something USEFULL for victims of tragedy is a good thing.

That is not to say that EVERYTHING Christians believe they do "out of purely good motivation" is in fact that. Take Alcoholics Annonymous. In thier 12 step program they slip in that one must turn one's self over to God.

No.
Step 2 – We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

...like the Sea, or Humanity or the Universe.

There is no power anyone can tap into greater than your own mind.

You are the captain of your own ship.

Says the guy that lives in a slum motel and plays a cop wannabe. Looks like your ship has run aground.


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