Christian Theology.

[Meriweather]

Of course not, and I do not believe in the flood story either.

Why do you say God drowned everyone?

 

[norwegen]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

 

[Lysistrata]

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

He drowned everyone?

Does that mean we had to grow gills?

He's your god, ask him.

He’s not yours?

Are there more than one?

Yes, apparently, from people are saying.

 

[Lysistrata]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

 

[Penelope]

Of course not, and I do not believe in the flood story either.

Why do you say God drowned everyone?

Because it says so in the bible, Noahs ark and the rainbow. But I think most of the bible is full of marlarky. Oral stories handed down.

 

[norwegen]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

 

[emilynghiem]

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

 

[emilynghiem]

Of course not, and I do not believe in the flood story either.

Why do you say God drowned everyone?

Because it says so in the bible, Noahs ark and the rainbow. But I think most of the bible is full of marlarky. Oral stories handed down.

^ Clearly Penelope you are a secular gentile and would more likely relate to science and natural laws.
The equivalent of faith in Jesus in secular terms and human process of development
is believing in Justice, that despite the suffering in wars, genocide and crimes against humanity,
the human conscience will forever seek justice and resolving causes of oppression and wrongdoing
so there can be peace of mind, first for individuals, then collectively for the betterment of society.

Not having faith that Justice will overcome all wrong and will bring peace to humanity
will keep people angry, depressed, or stressed with frustration and anxiety looking at the problems repeating.

Having faith there is an end to the cycles of injustice, abuse and oppression
gives people vision and focus on steps to take to correct the causes and create paths to solutions
and preventing these wrongs in the future.

So it's your faith in Justice, your ability to know right from wrong, that drives you to seek truth and correction to wrongs.
That's what it means to have Jesus guiding your conscience.
Having that sense of Justice and letting that govern your life, relationships and words and actions.

 

[Meriweather]

Because it says so in the bible, Noahs ark and the rainbow. But I think most of the bible is full of marlarky. Oral stories handed down.

And do you know more about science and the geology of the earth than ancient man?

 

[luchitociencia]

There is no way God sent his son to make it the "replacement god".

If a substitution -no more God rules but now the messiah rules- or addition -you can follow anyone of them or both- is the foundation of Christianity, then today's Christians live in complete ignorance.

The Messiah is just the representative of God, the one chosen by God to lead humans. But the messiah by no means is at the level of God "the father".

God and messiah become "one" only in the ideology, like coach, players and fansof a football team become "one" at the moment the game. But they are not "the same". They have the "same purpose" but are not the same essence.

I guees if Christianity believes God became the messiah, then such a foundation is made of loose sand.

 

[Lysistrata]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

Jesus was/is not the messiah of the Jews, though. Is there actually anyone who would fit the role of the one-and-only representative of the Supreme Being on earth? There were millions of people who did not live within the Roman Empire of 2,000 years ago, as well. The years among the Hebrews, the Indians, the Chinese number in the 5,000 range. And there were people in other civilizations on other continents, as well.

 

[norwegen]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

Jesus was/is not the messiah of the Jews, though. Is there actually anyone who would fit the role of the one-and-only representative of the Supreme Being on earth? There were millions of people who did not live within the Roman Empire of 2,000 years ago, as well. The years among the Hebrews, the Indians, the Chinese number in the 5,000 range. And there were people in other civilizations on other continents, as well.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was Israel's Messiah, and that's what Christians believe.

 

[Mindful]

 

[Penelope]

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

 

[Mindful]

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

He might.

 

[Penelope]

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

He might.

No he won't.

 

[Penelope]

Because it says so in the bible, Noahs ark and the rainbow. But I think most of the bible is full of marlarky. Oral stories handed down.

And do you know more about science and the geology of the earth than ancient man?

I know there were many gods.

 

[Mindful]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

Jesus was/is not the messiah of the Jews, though. Is there actually anyone who would fit the role of the one-and-only representative of the Supreme Being on earth? There were millions of people who did not live within the Roman Empire of 2,000 years ago, as well. The years among the Hebrews, the Indians, the Chinese number in the 5,000 range. And there were people in other civilizations on other continents, as well.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was Israel's Messiah, and that's what Christians believe.

Notice we have "israel messiah". In Jesus's time, the walking preacher,
View attachment 328680

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

He might.

NO!!

Do you think we might discuss the doctrines of the resurrection and the transubstantiation?
Have you any thoughts on that?

 

[Penelope]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

Jesus was/is not the messiah of the Jews, though. Is there actually anyone who would fit the role of the one-and-only representative of the Supreme Being on earth? There were millions of people who did not live within the Roman Empire of 2,000 years ago, as well. The years among the Hebrews, the Indians, the Chinese number in the 5,000 range. And there were people in other civilizations on other continents, as well.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was Israel's Messiah, and that's what Christians believe.

Notice we have "israel messiah". In Jesus's time, the walking preacher,
View attachment 328680

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

He might.

NO!!

Do you think we might discuss the doctrines of the resurrection and the transubstantiation?
Have you any thoughts on that?

I don't believe in either, although I swallowed the host for years.

 

[Mindful]

Theology is broadly defined as matters of God or religious belief, but I for one would say that it's just matters of God, or Theos, and so therefore is impossible to comprehend.

More manageable in Christian "theology" is eschatology, or matters of last things, and soteriology, or matters of the resurrection.

The entire New Testament is the kingdom of God, essentially, or eschatology. That is the central message of Christianity. Once we understand eschatology, then soteriology becomes our focus, but theology is a wild goose chase since we can not fully understand the infinite.

the only part of the New Testament that has to do with God is that which tells the story of Jesus, his life, his teachings. The rest of the New Testament is man-made. there are people who think that Saul/Paul or Timothy or the writer of Revelations (John of Patmos?) have something to do with the Creator.

Not that Timothy wrote any part of the Bible, but Paul, Timothy, and John of Patmos had no more or less to do with the Creator than David, Solomon, or Job did.

But really, I would say that they knew even more about God because they knew Israel's Messiah personally (or at least that generation of his disciples). Whereas the patriarchs and prophets yearned century after century for God to restore His kingdom on the earth, the apostles and disciples actually bear witness to that restoration in real time.

Jesus was/is not the messiah of the Jews, though. Is there actually anyone who would fit the role of the one-and-only representative of the Supreme Being on earth? There were millions of people who did not live within the Roman Empire of 2,000 years ago, as well. The years among the Hebrews, the Indians, the Chinese number in the 5,000 range. And there were people in other civilizations on other continents, as well.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was Israel's Messiah, and that's what Christians believe.

Notice we have "israel messiah". In Jesus's time, the walking preacher,
View attachment 328680

“so loved the world that He gave His only Son”

and his son was to preach and save the Hebrews only, and God so loved the world he drowned everyone. I can go on how lovely God is, but its so depressing.

^ Penelope Yes and No. Your depressing approach is like looking at the US health care
system and lamenting that "700,000 people die each year from medical mistakes including prescription errors"
while other people look at the successful treatments and outcomes and are grateful "it's the best in the world."

Which way is correct? Both are. Yes, the system has advantages of being able to afford
proactive research and development, as well as problems with profits getting in the way of access.

But we don't have to throw the whole system in the trash.
We can STUDY what failed, and improve on it.
We only have to throw away the parts causing problems.

All human history and institutions are similar.
There is a learning curve, by trial and error, and learning
by example and experience, we learn to keep the better approaches
that lead to positive outcomes, and avoid the negative approaches
that lead to negative outcomes.

If your approach is depressing, how can the same problems
be looked at in a more positive way that still acknowledges the wrongs
but CORRECTS them so it isn't depressing but seen as a POSITIVE process
of overcoming the ills of the past and working toward sustainable solutions in the future?

and you healthcare is faith healing!! Still think god is going to heal you if you get cancer, or DM or Covid 19??

He might.

NO!!

Do you think we might discuss the doctrines of the resurrection and the transubstantiation?
Have you any thoughts on that?

I don't believe in either, although I swallowed the host for years.

Not necessarily the belief, but the concept.