Christians attempt to silence non-religious messages at Christmas

[AllieBaba]

All of those sources have a really clear bias to them. worldnetdaily has a bias that's incredibly obvious and I don't them reliable in the slightest.

And yeah people submit stupid laws with unintended consequences all the time. I highly doubt the Canadian law will survive if those facts are true.

Although it may do you wonders to check the dates as the Canadian story was from 2002.

the other sources were from 2003, 2004 and 2005
Here's C-415 today or at least a more recent version

C-415

and finally politiclagroundzero doesn't really report on much it's more of a rant.

Look here in the U.S. the bible would never be labeled hate speech and even if it did, it couldn't be banned and you couldn't sue people for reading ala first amendment.

Really if it got labeled hate speech it would be overturned in record time.

Sadly, it's impossible to find any big media coverage of this topic because to them, it's a "non-issue". That means they support it.

Like they didn't cover the stabbing of a pro-lifer at an abortion clinic in LIttle Rock, like they don't cover the reactions of conservative women's groups over female issues (only NOW gets a voice) like they don't bother to report the horrific crimes committed upon our soldiers, Christians, and laymen in the middle east.

 

[Shogun]

good job working in the gratuitous racial slur.
respond to me using the phrase "dogma junkie" for extra points.

tool

My point remains, dogma junkie. Your chicken little cry about "hate speech" isn't flushed out in the evidence of the LEGAL use of a word, like ******, that would have been banned long ago if such were ever going to happen.

 

[AllieBaba]

"Dogma junkie" is a racial slur??????

 

[AllieBaba]

More hatred being perpetuated by CHristians against poor homosexuals..

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. It's actually evidence of my paranoia regarding the victimization of Christians:

The following is an edited version of the informational background accompanying a YouTube video showing the aftermath of a homosexual mob attack — including an alleged sexual assault — on a group of Christians that come to San Francisco’s Castro district every Friday to witness the Gospel. As the original note says, “This video was not posted by any member of the group in the video. However, below is an account [by] one of the team members who was there.”

This mob assault occurred following the passage of Proposition 8 restoring traditional marriage in California. Homosexual activists are deriding the successful ballot measure as “Prop H8″ (hate) — but look at the hatred on display below in what is supposedly America’s most “tolerant” city. This criminal assault is also significant in that “gay” activists routinely charge Christians and pro-family groups — and most recently Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family — with fomenting “hate violence.” Clearly, “hate violence” and threats committed by vengeful homosexual militants against religious people and churches is on the rise following California’s electoral repudiation of “gay marriage” on November 4th. — Peter LaBarbera
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/homosexual-hate-speech

 

[AllieBaba]

More hatred being perpetuated by CHristians against poor homosexuals..

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. It's actually evidence of my paranoia regarding the victimization of Christians:

The following is an edited version of the informational background accompanying a YouTube video showing the aftermath of a homosexual mob attack — including an alleged sexual assault — on a group of Christians that come to San Francisco’s Castro district every Friday to witness the Gospel. As the original note says, “This video was not posted by any member of the group in the video. However, below is an account [by] one of the team members who was there.”

This mob assault occurred following the passage of Proposition 8 restoring traditional marriage in California. Homosexual activists are deriding the successful ballot measure as “Prop H8″ (hate) — but look at the hatred on display below in what is supposedly America’s most “tolerant” city. This criminal assault is also significant in that “gay” activists routinely charge Christians and pro-family groups — and most recently Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family — with fomenting “hate violence.” Clearly, “hate violence” and threats committed by vengeful homosexual militants against religious people and churches is on the rise following California’s electoral repudiation of “gay marriage” on November 4th. — Peter LaBarbera
Americans for Truth » Homosexual Hate Speech

 

[AllieBaba]

Freedoms of speech and hate crime legislation are not compatible. Many organizations who advocate hate crime legislation, such as the ADL, are pushing for control of the Internet to stop "hate speech." While most people would interpret hate speech as being on the lines of neo-Nazi white supremacy, in reality the ADL really means groups which advocate issues like free enterprise, property rights, gun rights, etc.

In 2005, the ADL targeted the Freedom 21 Conference as an advocate of hate speech. Prior to the conference in Reno, Nevada, the ADL sent out alerts about the gathering. Their premise that Freedom 21 was advocating hate was the group's advocacy of private property rights. The ADL believes ownership of private property is a social injustice that oppresses the poor.

Others are now advocating that skeptics of global warming theories be denied the right to speak out. Still others advocate making it a crime to use the term "illegal aliens." Reason and rationality are thrown out the window for political correctness under so-called hate speech.

To preserve freedom of speech in America H.R. 254 must be stopped. In fact, now that many are protesting the bill, supporters on Congress are trying a new tactic. While using H.R. 254 as a shield, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers is quietly gathering support for yet another hate crimes bill entitled, The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is actually worse than HR. 254. Both must be stopped. Call your congressman and demand he/she stand for free speech and against any hate crime legislation.
Hate Legislation Will Target Your Free Speech

 

[Shogun]

"Dogma junkie" is a racial slur??????

****** is.


put your reading glasses on.

 

[AllieBaba]

I can't be bothered. I'm thinking of leaving for lunch.

 

[Luissa]

Hate speech is using speech to engender hate towards a specific group of people.

Telling people that Santa will send them to hell is not hate speech because there is no group of Santas. It's silly, but it's not hate speech.

And I don't "support" an atheist sign, why would I? I'm not an atheist. I think it's a form of harassment, if it's put up next to a Christian exhibit which in and of itself does nothing to attack any other religion but is simply a symbol of one. A nativity scene is not harassment. A sign next to a nativity sign which says that Christians are stupid or whatever is.

So the sign which they wanted to put next to the nativity scene that say "santa will take you to hell" by a christian group therefore is wrong to you, by your own words! Because that is where they wanted to put the sign!

 

[aztech]

So, Ally....I am guessing you have no problem with me putting a sign outside a Christian church saying:

"Jesus was a Cross Dresser"

 

[Father Time]

Sadly, it's impossible to find any big media coverage of this topic because to them, it's a "non-issue". That means they support it.

What a stupid leap in logic, they realize that if hate laws stifled free speech as much as you claim those parts of the law would be overturned in a nano-second.

Like they didn't cover the stabbing of a pro-lifer at an abortion clinic in LIttle Rock, like they don't cover the reactions of conservative women's groups over female issues (only NOW gets a voice) like they don't bother to report the horrific crimes committed upon our soldiers, Christians, and laymen in the middle east.

Well for starters I've seen lots of coverage of the middle eastern wars, and who cares if they don't cover one stupid murder? There's tons of them every year, or are you just bringing that up for fallacious 'guilt by association' bs.

I haven't heard them cover the feminists in a long time though, probably because they aren't that relevant anymore.

 

[Father Time]

More hatred being perpetuated by CHristians against poor homosexuals..

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. It's actually evidence of my paranoia regarding the victimization of Christians:

The following is an edited version of the informational background accompanying a YouTube video showing the aftermath of a homosexual mob attack — including an alleged sexual assault — on a group of Christians that come to San Francisco’s Castro district every Friday to witness the Gospel. As the original note says, “This video was not posted by any member of the group in the video. However, below is an account [by] one of the team members who was there.”

This mob assault occurred following the passage of Proposition 8 restoring traditional marriage in California. Homosexual activists are deriding the successful ballot measure as “Prop H8″ (hate) — but look at the hatred on display below in what is supposedly America’s most “tolerant” city. This criminal assault is also significant in that “gay” activists routinely charge Christians and pro-family groups — and most recently Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family — with fomenting “hate violence.” Clearly, “hate violence” and threats committed by vengeful homosexual militants against religious people and churches is on the rise following California’s electoral repudiation of “gay marriage” on November 4th. — Peter LaBarbera
Americans for Truth » Homosexual Hate Speech

So a few idiots attack Christians and now you get to condemn an entire city for that? Oh wait that's bullshit.
Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you have presented no proof that 'homosexual militants' are on the rise.

And again you post nothing but the most one sided heavily biased groups you can find. The concept of credible sources must be beyond your grasp.

 

[Father Time]

I asked how Christians were playing the victim you gave me nothing more than a few isolated incidents and some stupid Canadian laws from a couple years ago that would never pass a constitutional challenge if they were proposed down here.

And you've yet to post a site that wasn't riddled with bias.

 

[AllieBaba]

That's because the "non-biased" media won't cover it.

 

[Father Time]

That's because the "non-biased" media won't cover it.

It really says something when the ONLY sites that will cover something are those with an agenda to promote.

 

[Father Time]

But why pray tell are you posting isolated incidents? They surely don't prove that there's a vast liberal/gay/whatever conspiracy out to get Christians.

Hell with a little digging I can easily find isolated incidents of gays, atheists, or most any other kind of group attacked for stupid reasons.

 

[AllieBaba]

The officials rejected the science courses because the curriculum differed from "empirical historical knowledge generally accepted in the collegiate community," the suit said. Calvary was told to submit a secular curriculum instead. Courses in other subjects were rejected because they were called too narrow or biased.

"What really lights the fire here," Mr. Tyler said, "is when you look at courses the U.C. has approved from other schools. In the titles alone, you can see the discrimination against us."

The university has approved courses on Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and gender and counterculture's effects on literature, he noted.
University Is Accused of Bias Against Christian Schools - New York Times

Yesterday the words from Charles Barkley got a pass from the mainstream media. Barkley who likes to talk, but knows little charged that all conservatives are fake Christians. He said that anyone who is against abortion or gay marriage is a fake Christian. Barkley made these statements on CNN with Wolf Blitzer.

A representative of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission said, "for Barkley to think that Christians cannot have an opinion about matters of public policy and personal morality is astonishing," said Cass. "Jesus forbids judging by hypocritical double standards, but he requires Christians to make just and sound judgments everyday according to biblical precepts." Barkley is obviously out of touch with mainstream America. Barkley like all the great Liberal thinkers feels his way of thinking should be held by all Americans. Barkley like the rest of his friends on the Left feel they are the true genuine thinkers while conservatives are fake Christians.
Charles Barkley and media bias against Christians

ABC's news story notes, "Haggard and the New Life Church had links to Youth With A Mission. The two groups worked together on a controversial missionary program that focused on converting people in Muslim countries to Christianity." Despite pointing out that missionary activities might stimulate hate in many people, ABC doesn't hint that the shooting spree against this Christian church could be a hate crime. Maybe that's because their news writers share that emotion. They see bias against Christians as good sense, not hate.
The Colorado shooter said he hated Christians for causing so much of the pain in the world. This has been a pretty common theme of late. Many elite opinion makers have been blaming "religious extremism," especially that of Christians, for historical wars, oppression, and evil. Should we press hate charges against these thinkers for inciting the Colorado shooter to violence?
'Hating Christians Is Just Good Sense'

The two most powerful molders of opinion in the nation, the media and Hollywood, are at the head of the line in the war on Christianity, frequently ridiculing and disparaging Christians in ways they would never dream of employing against any other group of Americans.

The media, the author says, portrays Christians as unreasonable and violent, charging them with violent acts against abortionists, abortion clinics or homosexuals while at the same time both Hollywood and the media downplay injustices and violent acts committed against Christians.

A favorite media tactic is the use of the pejorative term "religious right" to describe Christian conservatives, implying such believers are, as the author writes "intolerant, backwoods fanatics, and yet never labeling religious liberals such as Jesse Jackson, as the ‘religious left’ or other leftists as the ‘anti-religious left." Limbaugh cites a screed by the Washington Post’s Michael Weisskopf who described followers of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson as "largely poor, uneducated and easy to command."
Bryant Gumbel in a June, 2000 CBS "Early Show" interviewing Robert Knight of the Family Research Council appearing to defend the Boy Scouts refusal to allow homosexuals to be Scout leaders, thinking the mike was off, muttered that Knight was "a f***ing idiot."

CNN founder Ted Turner asked employees who had ashes on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday if they were "a bunch of Jesus freaks?"

In his book "Bias" Bernard Goldberg reported that CBS producer Roxanne Russell called Christian activist and then-presidential candidate Gary Bauer "the little nut from the Christian group."

Christians have been called "the American Taliban, with one reporter for a Florida newspaper, Bob Norman referring to "evangelical loonies," and "way-out-there Christian wackos." In the St. Petersburg Times columnist Robyn E. Blummer wrote that the "religious right" is trying in "Taliban-like ways to inject religion into public schools and the operations of government."
One of the more outrageous examples of anti-Christian ranting was exhibited on the liberal taxpayer funded National Public Radio (NPR). On January 22, 2002, NPR reporter David Kestenbaum "seemed to imply," that the Traditional Values Coalition (TVC), a pro-family ministry was involved in the terrorist anthrax attacks on the nation’s capital.
The Media and Hollywood War Against Christianity
Citing the 1997 shootings of a high school prayer group in Paducah, Ky., and the April murders of Christian students at Columbine High School in Colorado, Mr. Bauer said Americans are "witnessing a disturbing pattern."

Attorney General Janet Reno warned reporters that it was too early to characterize the Fort Worth shooting as a "hate crime," but said law enforcement authorities on the scene would uncover the facts.

"We must get answers and must move carefully to make sure that we understand exactly what happened so that we can take the most effective action possible," she said. "We should not jump to conclusions."

In recent years, politicians and others have frequently blamed "hatred" for headline-making crimes. After the April 1995 bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City, President Clinton named G. Gordon Liddy among the conservative talk-show hosts he called "purveyors of hatred and division," saying they were "encouraging violence."

Concerned over arson attacks on black churches in 1996, civil rights leader Joseph Lowery accused the Christian Coalition of fostering an "extremist climate." Gay-rights advocate Joan M. Garry suggested last fall's murder of Mr. Shepard, a homosexual university student, was the result of a conservative anti-homosexuality campaign she said "fuels the fires of bigotry."

Anti-Christian bias as a crime motive is routinely ignored by the news media, said Brent Baker, vice president of research and publications for the Media Research Council.
"The media were very quick in August to draw the conclusion that the shooter at the Los Angeles Jewish community center was motivated by anti-Semitism," Mr. Baker said, but with Wednesday's shootings at the Texas church, reporters are "being much more hesitant to assign a motive."

When 14-year-old Michael Carneal killed three students praying at a Paducah high school, religious bias "was never a theme raised on TV networks, that this guy was anti-Christian," Mr. Baker said. Instead, reporters focused on Carneal's parents and the influence of violent entertainment, he said, although "it became quite clear later on that [anti-religious sentiment] was the motivation."

"When it is a particular minority group that's attacked, the media assume that's the reason for the attack," Mr. Baker said. "When it happens to Christians, the media don't assume that at all."
Anti-Christian Bias In Church Shooting

 

[AllieBaba]

Doesn't really look like a few isolated incidents. It's a pattern.

I find it really interesting that nobody is aware that the Columbine shootings were a couple of kids targeting Christian students. Wonder why not? Oh yeah, because the media wouldn't report it as such. Because as far as their concerned, targeting Christians is NOT a hate crime.

 

[AllieBaba]

Many of the top executives and on-camera personalities at the British Broadcasting Corporation admit they're biased against America and Christianity.

London's Evening Standard newspaper reports a leaked account of an 'impartiality summit.'

The report says BBC executives admit the corporation is dominated by homosexuals, is anti-American, and more sensitive towards the feelings of Muslims than Christians. For example, the report says "executives would let the Bible be thrown in to a dustbin on a TV comedy show, but not the Koran."

BBC Admits Bias against Christianity

Another "isolated" case.

 

[KittenKoder]

Oh no, the poor christians are being insulted ... let's call out the military and have everyone else arrested! Let's ignore the violence committed by them, because some people are saying bad things about them and that's more important! Let's ignore their breaking the constitutional law so much because simple insults are much more important!

... please, if insults were really that bad then we'd ALL be persecuted, all the groups that are insulted by someone would be hate speech. But (back on topic) insults are not against the law, threats of violence are against the law. There was no threat of violence, there was just an opinion in the atheist sign, and opinions are like assholes. Everything will always offend someone, that's why we have the freedom of speech laws. However in this case people are playing victims for attention only just because another person posted an opposing opinion. It's no different than going to a diner and saying "the food here sucks, don't eat it." It's not a federal case, since they didn't do it on private property there is no one to stop it. The more people boohoo about being 'persecuted' by opinion the more chance there is that eventually others will be sick of it, so it is the whiners about the stupid sign that are inciting violence, not the sign itself.