Christians Have an Obligation to Support the President

[SweetSue92]

Christians are suppose to follow Christ and what he taught us, and no one else.... and that seems to be hard to do, for Trump followers...

you can not support Trump and his actions and mouth,

if you follow Jesus Christ.

Trump, and everything he does and says,

is antichrist.

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Why does Trump even trigger you???

NOT YOUR COUNTRY

 

[peach174]

Christians are suppose to follow Christ and what he taught us, and no one else.... and that seems to be hard to do, for Trump followers...

you can not support Trump and his actions and mouth,

if you follow Jesus Christ.

Trump, and everything he does and says,

is antichrist.

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Some of them are not their children.
DNA found many children coming through with different people and were not parents.
That's human trafficking of children and Trump stopped it with the deals he made in Mexico and other countries.

 

[Seawytch]

Christians are suppose to follow Christ and what he taught us, and no one else.... and that seems to be hard to do, for Trump followers...

you can not support Trump and his actions and mouth,

if you follow Jesus Christ.

Trump, and everything he does and says,

is antichrist.

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Some of them are not their children.
DNA found many children coming through with different people and were not parents.
That's human trafficking of children and Trump stopped it with the deals he made in Mexico and other countries.

In many cases, they say the parents already live in the U.S. and asked a relative or family friend to bring their children north, and to use fake documents to ensure they would be allowed into the country together.

Customs and Border Protection did not say how many fraudulent claims were made in years past for comparison. And this year's number is still a small fraction of apprehensions — 3,100 cases represents less than 0.5 percent of the total.
​

More Than 3,100 Migrants Found With Fake Documents In Past Year, Federal Agents Say

 

[Seawytch]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

I thought they were the same thing.

He IS the "Chosen One" just ask him. Remember how "arrogant" Obama was though. ...

 

[Correll]

I don't want you to feel bad, I want you to not be a snide jerk.


My point, which was completely reasonable, and which you utterly failed to address, stands.


Despite his personal failings, Trump is not their enemy the way Hillary was/is.


There is nothing unreasonable or wrong about that.

I wonder which is worse: (a) Having to play defense with Hillary, or (b) being blatantly hypocritical and selling your supposedly Christian soul to the abomination in the White House?

It doesn't matter, of course, because (a) is only hypothetical. I'm just glad I'm not in that position.
.

Trump is a course and sometimes vulgar man, but as a politician, his positions are well within historical norms.


There is nothing about his actual words or actions, that justify calling him an "abomination".


Your are believing your sides own spin, and then judging other people, as though they agree with you, on who and what Trump is.


IF, you were completely right about Trump, being a monster, then those that do not see it as that, would be WRONG.


They would not have sold their souls, they would be wrong about what type of person Trump is.


you are in the grip of mass hysteria.

Whatever works for you. I'm just glad I don't have to do that.
.

What, point out how hysterical you are being, thinking that Trump is an "abomination"?


It is better to be me, pointing it out, then being you, suffering from the hysteria.

Great!
.

Well, better is not the same as great.


I am sane in a crazy world. Putting up with the crazy people, who literally believe that a braggart is an "abomination", is not what I call great.

Wanting to bring back jobs, and deport illegals, is hardly "abomination".


It is literally hysterical, to think it is.

 

[Correll]

Christians are suppose to follow Christ and what he taught us, and no one else.... and that seems to be hard to do, for Trump followers...

you can not support Trump and his actions and mouth,

if you follow Jesus Christ.

Trump, and everything he does and says,

is antichrist.

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

1. ALL I said about Hillary was that she is the enemy of the religious right. The bit were you felt the need to move the goal posts on what I said, that was your brain, working to hide from you that I am right. You can't face the fact that the Religious Right is being completely reasonable i opposing Hillary and other liberals like her and supporting Trump.


2 Very few of them are legitimate "refugees". THe vast majority are economic migrants who are coming here for a better life. Which is understandable. But in violation of our democratically enacted immigration laws.


3. The illegal aliens are held in facilities awaiting processing. The children are not held with adults. This is not "monstrous", it is an hardship, they inflict on themselves and their children. Your hysteria on the issue, is noted.

 

[Correll]

The only obligation on Christians is to exercise the freedom the truth provides them.

Reed makes his argument in his book. NOne one here has any information on what that argument(s) is.

 

[Mac1958]

I wonder which is worse: (a) Having to play defense with Hillary, or (b) being blatantly hypocritical and selling your supposedly Christian soul to the abomination in the White House?

It doesn't matter, of course, because (a) is only hypothetical. I'm just glad I'm not in that position.
.

Trump is a course and sometimes vulgar man, but as a politician, his positions are well within historical norms.


There is nothing about his actual words or actions, that justify calling him an "abomination".


Your are believing your sides own spin, and then judging other people, as though they agree with you, on who and what Trump is.


IF, you were completely right about Trump, being a monster, then those that do not see it as that, would be WRONG.


They would not have sold their souls, they would be wrong about what type of person Trump is.


you are in the grip of mass hysteria.

Whatever works for you. I'm just glad I don't have to do that.
.

What, point out how hysterical you are being, thinking that Trump is an "abomination"?


It is better to be me, pointing it out, then being you, suffering from the hysteria.

Great!
.

Well, better is not the same as great.


I am sane in a crazy world. Putting up with the crazy people, who literally believe that a braggart is an "abomination", is not what I call great.

Wanting to bring back jobs, and deport illegals, is hardly "abomination".


It is literally hysterical, to think it is.

I used the word "abomination" specifically in an ironic context because it is used in religious text.

But if you want to pretend my use of the word is an indication of hysteria, that's fine with me.

I know how you like to get, um, creative with my opinions.

And you wonder why I don't put more effort into our little conversations.
.

 

[Dana7360]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

I'm so glad I left the christian religion in the 80s.

Go ahead and support trump. That's what freedom is all about. Everyone is free to make their own choices and live their lives.

I just wish you far right radical conservative extremists believed the same. Unfortunately you believe you have the right to use your religion as a weapon against anyone you don't like and want to force your religion on our nation. Even though that's illegal and unconstitutional.

Me, I'll go with the constitution and law.

So if you want to enthusiastically support trump, have at it.

 

[Correll]

Christians are suppose to follow Christ and what he taught us, and no one else.... and that seems to be hard to do, for Trump followers...

you can not support Trump and his actions and mouth,

if you follow Jesus Christ.

Trump, and everything he does and says,

is antichrist.

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Some of them are not their children.
DNA found many children coming through with different people and were not parents.
That's human trafficking of children and Trump stopped it with the deals he made in Mexico and other countries.

Which is just one of the many reasons to seal the border.

 

[Correll]

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Some of them are not their children.
DNA found many children coming through with different people and were not parents.
That's human trafficking of children and Trump stopped it with the deals he made in Mexico and other countries.

In many cases, they say the parents already live in the U.S. and asked a relative or family friend to bring their children north, and to use fake documents to ensure they would be allowed into the country together.

Customs and Border Protection did not say how many fraudulent claims were made in years past for comparison. And this year's number is still a small fraction of apprehensions — 3,100 cases represents less than 0.5 percent of the total.
​

More Than 3,100 Migrants Found With Fake Documents In Past Year, Federal Agents Say

They already live in the US illegally. They choose to smuggle the child into the country, illegally.


Thus, the hardships the follow, are on them, and their choices, not US.

 

[Correll]

Trump is a course and sometimes vulgar man, but as a politician, his positions are well within historical norms.


There is nothing about his actual words or actions, that justify calling him an "abomination".


Your are believing your sides own spin, and then judging other people, as though they agree with you, on who and what Trump is.


IF, you were completely right about Trump, being a monster, then those that do not see it as that, would be WRONG.


They would not have sold their souls, they would be wrong about what type of person Trump is.


you are in the grip of mass hysteria.

Whatever works for you. I'm just glad I don't have to do that.
.

What, point out how hysterical you are being, thinking that Trump is an "abomination"?


It is better to be me, pointing it out, then being you, suffering from the hysteria.

Great!
.

Well, better is not the same as great.


I am sane in a crazy world. Putting up with the crazy people, who literally believe that a braggart is an "abomination", is not what I call great.

Wanting to bring back jobs, and deport illegals, is hardly "abomination".


It is literally hysterical, to think it is.

I used the word "abomination" specifically in an ironic context because it is used in religious text.

But if you want to pretend my use of the word is an indication of hysteria, that's fine with me.

I know how you like to get, um, creative with my opinions.

And you wonder why I don't put more effort into our little conversations.
.

There are other libs in this thread, literally calling Trump the anti-Christ.


You can't be "ironic" in times like this, and expect others to be able to tell.


Hillary, and liberals like her, are the enemies of the Religious Right. Trump is not. Trump is willing to be their political ally.


Thus, it is completely reasonable that they have and continue to support President Trump.


This is normal political behavior.


Anyone that would attack them for normal behavior, is being unreasonable at best, and bigoted at worst.


AND the level of attack we see, in this thread, for example, does fit "hysterical".

 

[Lysistrata]

Ah. So you don't have an answer. So how come people comment on USMB that somebody else can't be a Christian because they don't support the republican agenda or are pro-choice, or LGBT, or support equal rights for LGBTs?

It's very difficult to be Christian and lend your support to ongoing sin. You would recognize this easily if a person said, "I am a Christian and I endorse adultery, embezzlement, and theft."

But you're brainwashed, so you can't see it with gay marriage and abortion

I'm not "brainwashed" as there is no one here who would do it. According to the Christian narrative, anyone who "sins" is accountable as an individual at his or her judgment for being LGBT, having an abortion, committing adultery, embezzlement, theft, bearing false witness, etc. There is no one specific "sin" that selectively merits a public battle. In any event, by your standards, your comment, coupled with your support of trump, indicates that you do lend y
your support to "ongoing sin."

Moreover, you are not just involving Christians of any and every stripe in this, you are also involving people outside of Christianity, those who adhere to other faiths, and those who choose atheism or agnosticism, to which Christian rules do not apply.

Yes, sins that society calls "Good" merit a public battle. No one calls adultery "good". No one calls theft "good". But we are absolutely supposed to celebrate homosexual marriage AND abortion, a "woman's right to choose". THAT is why Christians seem to "pick on" those sins. Not that they are worse than others, but that they are supposed to be celebrated. They're not worth celebrating. They are sins.

Your concept of celebration is flawed. What in society is called "Good" rather than something that is acceptable in keeping with the principle that, as individuals, we have the freedom to decide for ourselves. I would, and have, celebrated same-sex marriage so that the people who enter into them are granted the same legal rights and responsibilities as anyone else and may be happy with the person of their choosing. A person may choose to have an abortion or not, depending on her faith and philosophical choices, granting her full freedom of conscience, without the interference of government/politicians who may have made other religious and philosophical choices that suit them.

An abortion strips away, FOREVER, the "rights and responsibilities" of the life in the womb. So that's a non-starter. You cannot grant "rights" to one while forever stripping rights from another. This is nonsensical.

As to rights and responsibilities for gay marriage: when you're in one of you DIFFERENT sorts of moods (or off your meds maybe) you rail on and on about people thinking homosexuality is a sin. So guess what: I have a right, in America, to believe homosexuality is a sin. And I do not believe the SC was justified in redefining marriage, and I look forward to the time when marriage will be a son and father, or a mother and son, or five people. Because why not? It will have to be.

Also, I agree with you on LEGAL rights, and that is why I was in favor of civil partnerships. But not marriage. But that's water under the bridge now.

You are assuming that a fertilized egg or a fetus has full rights and responsibilities, even if it lacks any of the structures and organs necessary for independent existence on even the most rudimentary level. It is not a human being yet. It may still be aborted by nature or human intervention. The SC only "redefined marriage" with respect to marriage under civil law, consistent with the 14th Amendment. Religious marriage is separate from civil law. However, the term "marriage" has been applied to both civil law and religious marriage. Why is a different terminology required? Are you saying that everyone who is married only in a courthouse has a "civil partnership" and anyone married in a religious ceremony has a marriage?

This has nothing to do with what you do or don't do in your faith group. For example, a Catholic can get a divorce from the courts, but is banned from remarrying in the Catholic Church and receiving Catholic sacraments. Do what you will that complies with your faith law, canon law, sharia, whatever. But it only applies to you, not anyone outside your faith group.

 

[Correll]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

I'm so glad I left the christian religion in the 80s.

Go ahead and support trump. That's what freedom is all about. Everyone is free to make their own choices and live their lives.

I just wish you far right radical conservative extremists believed the same. Unfortunately you believe you have the right to use your religion as a weapon against anyone you don't like and want to force your religion on our nation. Even though that's illegal and unconstitutional.

Me, I'll go with the constitution and law.

So if you want to enthusiastically support trump, have at it.

Everyone that politically organizes for any political cause, is forcing their beliefs on the rest of the nation, that might not share those beliefs.


That you single out conservative Christians, and have a hissy fit when THEY do it, while supporting everyone else's right to do so,


is you being an anti-Christian bigot.

 

[peach174]

Trump is not the anti-Christ.


He is a fairly normal politician with fairly normal political positions.


Your delusional hysteria is on you, not on them.

Here’s where all of you ideas turn to dust. We are not in the “grip of some hysteria” as you put it. In fact, your comments about Hillary are unhinged and unbalanced. If anyone is in the grip of hysteria around here, it’s those who think a Clinton presidency would be this unhinged or dangerous.

If you can’t see that denigrating refugees, jailing them and taking their children away is both monstrous and utterly in opposition to all of Jesus teachings, you’re deluding yourself.

That's why he stopped that awful human trafficking in the 1st place.
It's more inhumane, using children.

Taking your own child to America is NOT human trafficking. Trump was separating families. Confirmed by DNA testing.

Some of them are not their children.
DNA found many children coming through with different people and were not parents.
That's human trafficking of children and Trump stopped it with the deals he made in Mexico and other countries.

In many cases, they say the parents already live in the U.S. and asked a relative or family friend to bring their children north, and to use fake documents to ensure they would be allowed into the country together.

Customs and Border Protection did not say how many fraudulent claims were made in years past for comparison. And this year's number is still a small fraction of apprehensions — 3,100 cases represents less than 0.5 percent of the total.
​

More Than 3,100 Migrants Found With Fake Documents In Past Year, Federal Agents Say

It would be almost down to zero if dems would do their job and pass USMCA.

 

[sealybobo]

This is what’s wrong with religion. If you’ll believe the unbelievable then you clearly can be lied to.

Blind loyalty

"In his book, Reed will “persuasively” argue evangelicals have a duty to defend the incumbent Republican leader against “the stridently anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and pro-abortion agenda of the progressive left,” according to the description."



Sounds like he is attempting to make the case for his opinion.


Nothing unreasonable about that. I don't see where you get off calling it a lie.


It is funny, that you attack the very idea of religion, putting down religious people in the process, and then assume that the only reason that religious people could oppose you, is because they are lied to.

Are you saying republicans want to ban abortion?

Then you are pro choice too.

I said nothing about abortion.


Like most liberals, you have nothing but contempt for white religious Christians. And you oppose them all nearly ever political issue.


Yet, you have to imagine self serving reasons why the people you denigrate and oppose, would organize against you and yours.



How can you be so narrow minded, that you have attack people who disagree with you, for opposing you politically?

What a dumb comment. There are many people whom you define as "liberals," whatever this actually means, who are themselves white religious Christians who have different political views. BTW: why the mention of race? Christians come in many colors. What's your racial angle?

1. THe hypocrisy of liberals, saying the most contempt filled hate filled things about Christians one day, and then next embracing other Christians is a very point. But one that does not challenge my statement about the shit you libs say and do about Christians.


2. It is not "my racial angle". lt is merely me observing that liberals treat black Christians differently than they treat white Christians. Again, if you read the hate filled contempt that liberals express about Christians, and then see them embrace black Christians, it is quite obvious that liberals are complete hypocrites, if not soulless monsters.

We would mock black Christians too.

But that’s not important to black liberals. They don’t care if I am going to heaven. They keep that shit to themselves.

I still believe they’re worshipping a fairytale

 

[sealybobo]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

Aren’t gays gods will too?

 

[sealybobo]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

This is what’s wrong with religion. If you’ll believe the unbelievable then you clearly can be lied to.

Blind loyalty

"In his book, Reed will “persuasively” argue evangelicals have a duty to defend the incumbent Republican leader against “the stridently anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and pro-abortion agenda of the progressive left,” according to the description."



Sounds like he is attempting to make the case for his opinion.


Nothing unreasonable about that. I don't see where you get off calling it a lie.


It is funny, that you attack the very idea of religion, putting down religious people in the process, and then assume that the only reason that religious people could oppose you, is because they are lied to.

Democrats are not anti-christian or anti-Semitic, brainwashed functional morons. They do believe in separation of church and state and not in blind allegiance to right-wing a****** Israelis like netanyahu and Sharon.

Sealy already admitted to being anti-Christianity.


SO, you lose.

The same way you are anti atheists

You think it’s bad for us. You think it makes us immoral and hypocrites. You think it makes us stupid. You think it is somehow connected to socialism. And you think it’s a lie.

So we’re even.

 

[sealybobo]

If Democrats hate Christianity why are there so many Christian's who vote democratic?

Because like a lot of Jews Muslims Mormons Buddhists and Hindu they realize the republicans try to use religion to sucker middle class votes.

Democrats don’t hate Christianity but middle class atheists rightly prefer democrats over republicans. Republicans are anti science and anti truth.

Ayn rand was a rich atheist republican. She’s like Bruce Jenner o Ben Carson. They vote their pocket books.

 

[Lysistrata]

It's God's will.

<< American evangelicals “have a moral obligation to enthusiastically back” the president. >>

‘Render to God and Trump’: Ralph Reed calls for 2020 obedience to Trump

I'm so glad I left the christian religion in the 80s.

Go ahead and support trump. That's what freedom is all about. Everyone is free to make their own choices and live their lives.

I just wish you far right radical conservative extremists believed the same. Unfortunately you believe you have the right to use your religion as a weapon against anyone you don't like and want to force your religion on our nation. Even though that's illegal and unconstitutional.

Me, I'll go with the constitution and law.

So if you want to enthusiastically support trump, have at it.

Everyone that politically organizes for any political cause, is forcing their beliefs on the rest of the nation, that might not share those beliefs.


That you single out conservative Christians, and have a hissy fit when THEY do it, while supporting everyone else's right to do so,


is you being an anti-Christian bigot.

Not "anti-Christian." Most likely anti-fundie-rightwinger. The people you call "conservative Christians" have not organized to do any good in society, they have organized to attack their fellow human beings and fellow Americans, both those within Christianity and others outside Christianity, and they have wanted special rights for themselves only. They made their own bad reputation.