Church goers must take their firearms with them to Church

[2aguy]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

 

[Brain357]

Proof?

Are you saying Liberals aren't the ones arguing against mandatory minimum sentences and three strike laws?

No. I think liberals are weak on crime, but repubs are in charge so they don't really matter.

Republicans are in charge of Chicago? You wish.

So what is Chicago doing that's weak on crime?

They are short 2,000 police officers as the democrats put money into everything except police.

The gangs control many of the democrat aldermen, and vote down police resources.

The democrats fight to keep sentences for repeat violent offenders under 3 years.

Just off the top of my head.

Link?

How do sentences compare to other cities?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Garissa University College attack - Wikipedia

Stalin

The forgotten Holocaust: Ukraine famine of 1932-33 | Daily Mail Online

Now sit down white boy before I completely embarrass you.

Stalin was not truly White European having come from a Georgian background, and Hitler had E1b1b haplogroup an African gene type.

So did a lot of Pharoahs in Egypt but you claimed they werent Black. This is a white guy.

I never claimed the ancient Egyptians were White, or Black.
They were clearly Mediterranean.

So your saying Stalin was mediterranean?

Mediterranean's are pretty wicked.

 

[Conservative65]

Garissa University College attack - Wikipedia

The Holocaust - Wikipedia

Rwandan genocide - Wikipedia

You want to keep going? I literally have millions.

When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ - Diary of a Walking Butterfly

Mao...asian...

Remembering the biggest mass murder in the history of the world

Cant compare to the amount of people whites have killed.

Funny how being white had nothing to do with why those communists did the killing.

 

[Asclepias]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

All of those countries have a lower crime rate than the US. Bottom line

 

[2aguy]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yeah, letting hardcore felons out early and reducing time served for criminals has nothing to do with it.

All average law abiding citizens grab guns and shoot up churches.

Last I checked we have fullest prisons in the world.

Wrong....they keep letting violent criminals out...we have revolving doors on our prisons.....that is the problem.

Wrong
Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

And lets the violent killers back out......that is the problem numb nuts....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We are seeing the fruits of Obama and Jerry Brown.

So repubs control everything and you still blame Dems. Funny.

You still aren't making any sense. Do you have any statistics?

Been over 50 years since Republicans controlled any of America’s violent cities.

That’s what we call a common denominator.

You guys are still controlling the poorest of cities and states.

Which cities are those?

The poor ones

US Food Stamp Capital Is 99% WHITE And 95% REPUBLICAN!!! | Urban Intellectuals

More like 99% Jewish Kiryas Joel is the food stamps capital of the U.S.

 

[Brain357]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

 

[2aguy]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

All of those countries have a lower crime rate than the US. Bottom line

They had....their rates are now going up, except Japan and that is only because it is essentially a polite, police state. Our rates are going down, as more of us own and carry guns...showing that crime has nothing to do with law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

 

[Brain357]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yeah, letting hardcore felons out early and reducing time served for criminals has nothing to do with it.

All average law abiding citizens grab guns and shoot up churches.

Last I checked we have fullest prisons in the world.

Wrong....they keep letting violent criminals out...we have revolving doors on our prisons.....that is the problem.

Wrong
Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

And lets the violent killers back out......that is the problem numb nuts....

Link?

 

[Weatherman2020]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yeah, letting hardcore felons out early and reducing time served for criminals has nothing to do with it.

All average law abiding citizens grab guns and shoot up churches.

Last I checked we have fullest prisons in the world.

Wrong....they keep letting violent criminals out...we have revolving doors on our prisons.....that is the problem.

Wrong
Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

And lets the violent killers back out......that is the problem numb nuts....

Yep. Average sentence for bank robbery is 20 years. Murder is ten years.

 

[2aguy]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

Driven by the Ferguson effect....and by 3 cities.....Chicago, Baltimore and D.C........the places where the Ferguson effect was the worst.

 

[Asclepias]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

All of those countries have a lower crime rate than the US. Bottom line

They had....their rates are now going up, except Japan and that is only because it is essentially a polite, police state. Our rates are going down, as more of us own and carry guns...showing that crime has nothing to do with law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

You keep avoiding the elephant in your room. They have lower crime rates than the US.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, letting hardcore felons out early and reducing time served for criminals has nothing to do with it.

All average law abiding citizens grab guns and shoot up churches.

Last I checked we have fullest prisons in the world.

Wrong....they keep letting violent criminals out...we have revolving doors on our prisons.....that is the problem.

Wrong
Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

And lets the violent killers back out......that is the problem numb nuts....

Link?

Chicago...

Chicago Officials (Finally) Recognize Criminals Cause Crime

Chicago officials have also begun to admit that the recent spike in homicides is a crime problem – not a gun problem.

Just this week, Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson acknowledged that “as long as we fail to hold violent repeat offenders responsible for their actions, we’re going to hear the same stories of murders and shootings in certain parts of our city.”

Johnson blamed Chicago’s broken justice system.

“It’s frustrating for [Chicago police] to arrest a guy on Friday for an illegal gun and then the next Thursday they see him right back out on the street with another illegal gun.” A police spokesman echoed Johnson’s frustration: “with nearly half of those we arrest for murder being repeated gun offenders, we need help to ensure these individuals stay off our streets after repeated arrests for guns.”

Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez made a similar acknowledgment last week: “Criminals know and understand our system” and “tell prosecutors that Illinois gun laws are ‘a joke.’”

She noted that the worst offenders “are spending fewer and fewer days behind bars for their violent and repeat felony gun offenses,” and that “an unexplained revolving door” is “spitting these convicted criminals out of prison after they have served only a fraction of their court-imposed sentences for violent gun offenses.”


======

California.....w

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[2aguy]

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

All of those countries have a lower crime rate than the US. Bottom line

They had....their rates are now going up, except Japan and that is only because it is essentially a polite, police state. Our rates are going down, as more of us own and carry guns...showing that crime has nothing to do with law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

You keep avoiding the elephant in the room. They have lower crime rates than the US.

No....you keep ignoring the reason, and the change. They had lower crime rates before they banned and confiscated guns....now that they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rates are going up, not down.

Our gun crime rates are going down, not up....that is the truth, the fact and the reality.

 

[2aguy]

Correlation is not causation

More guns less crime? Not so much.

Gun laws have no effect on crime if they did the murder rate in states with the strictest gun laws would be lower than in the states with the most lax gun laws wouldn't they?

State borders are not very strong.

If more guns equaled less crime we would have by far the least crime in the world.

Britain's gun crime rate is going up, not down, they banned and confiscated guns...our rate is going down, not up, as more Americans own and carry guns.....

We need to exchange our criminals for criminals in other countries, that would lower our rate even more.

How do the rates compare? How many people do their law enforcement kill? How many police killed each year?

The criminals in Britain don't commit murder. they have guns, they use them to commit crimes, they don't use them for murder...ours do......

It is a matter of criminal culture, not guns.

 

[2aguy]

Correlation is not causation

More guns less crime? Not so much.

Gun laws have no effect on crime if they did the murder rate in states with the strictest gun laws would be lower than in the states with the most lax gun laws wouldn't they?

State borders are not very strong.

If more guns equaled less crime we would have by far the least crime in the world.

Britain's gun crime rate is going up, not down, they banned and confiscated guns...our rate is going down, not up, as more Americans own and carry guns.....

We need to exchange our criminals for criminals in other countries, that would lower our rate even more.

How do the rates compare? How many people do their law enforcement kill? How many police killed each year?

As they have more gun crime and more violent crime, as their murder rate goes up....the formerly unarmed British police...want more guns....

Majority of police officers are prepared to carry guns, survey finds

A majority of police officers are prepared to carry a firearm as longstanding opposition to being routinely armed melts in the face of escalating dangers.

A national survey by the Police Federation, which covers rank and file officers in England and Wales, found that 55% said they would carry a firearm if asked or ordered to, up 11% compared with when the last national survey was conducted in 2006. That response is different to the percentage who believe they and colleagues should be routinely armed, which was 34%, up since the last survey when it stood at 23%.

 

[Brain357]

More and more guns is working out great
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

Driven by the Ferguson effect....and by 3 cities.....Chicago, Baltimore and D.C........the places where the Ferguson effect was the worst.

Ferguson is because police are shooting lots of people which is because guns everywhere. Root cause is too many guns.

 

[Brain357]

More guns less crime? Not so much.

Gun laws have no effect on crime if they did the murder rate in states with the strictest gun laws would be lower than in the states with the most lax gun laws wouldn't they?

State borders are not very strong.

If more guns equaled less crime we would have by far the least crime in the world.

Britain's gun crime rate is going up, not down, they banned and confiscated guns...our rate is going down, not up, as more Americans own and carry guns.....

We need to exchange our criminals for criminals in other countries, that would lower our rate even more.

How do the rates compare? How many people do their law enforcement kill? How many police killed each year?

As they have more gun crime and more violent crime, as their murder rate goes up....the formerly unarmed British police...want more guns....

Majority of police officers are prepared to carry guns, survey finds

A majority of police officers are prepared to carry a firearm as longstanding opposition to being routinely armed melts in the face of escalating dangers.

A national survey by the Police Federation, which covers rank and file officers in England and Wales, found that 55% said they would carry a firearm if asked or ordered to, up 11% compared with when the last national survey was conducted in 2006. That response is different to the percentage who believe they and colleagues should be routinely armed, which was 34%, up since the last survey when it stood at 23%.

Answer the questions.

 

[Asclepias]

Dip shit...crime went down another 2.5% at this point from last year....and overall...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yeah but Japan, England, Australia have lower crime rates than the US.

They had them even when they had guns.....

Japan has a low crime rate for all crime...they don't commit crime because of their culture, not because their criminals can't get guns.

Britain....gun crime is going up...a lot....

Australia, gun crime is going up...a lot...

Both countries banned and confiscated guns, then began importing violent criminals from the 3rd World....

Guns aren't the issue, the violence of criminals is the issue.

Our gun crime rates are going down...as the stats show.....

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

Driven by the Ferguson effect....and by 3 cities.....Chicago, Baltimore and D.C........the places where the Ferguson effect was the worst.

Ferguson is because police are shooting lots of people which is because guns everywhere. Root cause is too many guns.

....and racist cops as the investigation determined.