CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attac

[WillowTree]

a democwat would not,, all they know is they want to feel all warm and fuzzy and scantimonious..

You love torture because you're a fascist, anti-american piece of shit who doesn't work, sits on the computer all day, and imagines sadistic fantasies about torturing people. I bet you'd love to torture someone, wouldn't you you sick twisted, unemployed fuck?

You are a piece of ...work...or something.

Typical of your sort - putting words in people's mouths.

It makes em feel all warm and fuzzy and sanctimonious!

 

[Burp]

You love torture because you're a fascist, anti-american piece of shit who doesn't work, sits on the computer all day, and imagines sadistic fantasies about torturing people. I bet you'd love to torture someone, wouldn't you you sick twisted, unemployed fuck?

You are a piece of ...work...or something.

Typical of your sort - putting words in people's mouths.

It makes em feel all warm and fuzzy and sanctimonious!

Very true. Don't forget the tossing around of obscenities.

The "F" word is actually one of my favorites but not in the context our esteemed friend used.

 

[DiveCon]

The article is from CNS, Conservative News Service.

Their editor also worked for the Washington Times, the newspaper started by the Rev. Dumb yung Moon, the Korean minister who says he is the second coming of Christ.


A false prophet.

CNS is not a reliable news source. It makes Fox look like a fair and balanced news service.

and none of your sources are reliable
they all lie
next!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DiveCon]

Another difference between liberals and Conservatives...

Conservatives would rather waterboard terrorists and save US citizens and Liberals would rather not waterboard terrorists and risk killing innocent US citizens...

CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

WEAK!

CNSnews.com? Dude, that's a totally rabid, partisan rightwing Bush loving site.


You're going to have to do better than an anonymous, unamed "cia source" in a far rightwing nutjob website.

another lying asshole chimes in
sheeesh

 

[Burp]

WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.

Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as waterboarding a total of 266 times.

Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp

Conveniently left out of the press release?

He also defends those who carried out the interrogations?

Looks like someone in BO government has sense.

 

[raceright]

WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.

Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as waterboarding a total of 266 times.

Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp

Conveniently left out of the press release?

He also defends those who carried out the interrogations?

Looks like someone in BO government has sense.

War you have to be commited if not do not fight it, no rules and no geneva convention,do gooders stay home either fight to win or stay home,War is a crime you enter into one an all is fair get over it.

 

[Evangelical]

I am one who would rather starve to death than kill someone and take their food.

I and others have that same moral code that makes the dangers samller then the moral abyss.

YOU can never proove they could not have stopped this without this information. That is unknowable.

If Obama get caught allowing torture will you defend him?

I wont.

I'd rather see you prove your convictions before you lecture us about how morally superior you are.

If Obama allowed high interrogation that protected liberal lives (such as New Yorkers or Angelinos and Hollywooders) yes we would applaud him for that one miniscule service in the greater scheme of his great ineptitude.

 

[Bullypulpit]

i did not dodge your question. I answered it. reread it if you must.

I did, and take it back -- you did answered #1 and #2 though not #3.

Do you agree with me that the techniques I mentioned should not be legal?

And are you approving other nations legitimately water boarding US soldiers and citizens and whatever other torture techniques you think are legal?

Our special forces undergo water boarding as part of their training to be prepared for capture. And, no i would not want it to happen but i am not so Polly Anna as to believe that what i want will sway an enemy. nor am I so naive to think that because we might not use the techniques in question that our enemies won't.

So in that regard I am saying that no technique should be off limits.

Since we are speaking hypothetically here, would you agree that if the intelligence gathered via water boarding actually did stop an attack on Los Angeles, that had Obama been president at the time, many hundreds or possibly thousands more Americans would have died all for his belief that it is better Americans die than we water board one terrorist?

God...every time you post something, it's just another dumb-ass attack. SERE school gives trainees a small taste of what torture is. It has a definite time frame...you will be released at the end of the course...you go home when you're done, a little wiser, but no worse for the wear.

The detainees at GITMO, and elsewhere, have been detained with no endpoint in sight...they may never be released...if they are released, they will carry profound physical and psychological scars.

If you want a detailed dissertation on the subject from a former SERE school instructor...

Waterboarding is Torture… Period​

And your hypothetical situation is just that, a fictional situation thought true by folks who have watched to many episodes of "24" never realizing that it too is fiction.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I am one who would rather starve to death than kill someone and take their food.

I and others have that same moral code that makes the dangers samller then the moral abyss.

YOU can never proove they could not have stopped this without this information. That is unknowable.

If Obama get caught allowing torture will you defend him?

I wont.

I'd rather see you prove your convictions before you lecture us about how morally superior you are.

If Obama allowed high interrogation that protected liberal lives (such as New Yorkers or Angelinos and Hollywooders) yes we would applaud him for that one miniscule service in the greater scheme of his great ineptitude.

I will assume from your handle that you fancy yourself a Christian. If you are, I have a question for you...

Who would Jesus torture?

 

[raceright]

Most in the USA have no stomach for war and our enemies know it now more than ever. Wake up there are no rules and you fools think there should be,Geneva convention my ass in war its kill or be killed,get what you can from prisoners and save lives. Assholes heads get cut off,women raped,about all the worst things in the bible why you think we do not want to go to war but if you do your hands cannot be tied. My father in law was captured in the Philippines during WW2 by the Jap's he was tortured plenty and unlike McCain he tells it like it is fuck the enemy win the war and no holds barred torture is part of war like Drugs ya might not like that they exist but you are never going to stop it and if you play by rules and other side laughs at ya.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Most in the USA have no stomach for war and our enemies know it now more than ever. Wake up there are no rules and you fools think there should be,Geneva convention my ass in war its kill or be killed,get what you can from prisoners and save lives. Assholes heads get cut off,women raped,about all the worst things in the bible why you think we do not want to go to war but if you do your hands cannot be tied. My father in law was captured in the Philippines during WW2 by the Jap's he was tortured plenty and unlike McCain he tells it like it is fuck the enemy win the war and no holds barred torture is part of war like Drugs ya might not like that they exist but you are never going to stop it and if you play by rules and other side laughs at ya.

Ahhh...another dumb-ass attack. Are you and Skully butt-buddies?

More on the myth...

The Myth of the Ticking Time Bomb​

You guys gotta get out more and stop watching so much bad tv.

 

[DiveCon]

Most in the USA have no stomach for war and our enemies know it now more than ever. Wake up there are no rules and you fools think there should be,Geneva convention my ass in war its kill or be killed,get what you can from prisoners and save lives. Assholes heads get cut off,women raped,about all the worst things in the bible why you think we do not want to go to war but if you do your hands cannot be tied. My father in law was captured in the Philippines during WW2 by the Jap's he was tortured plenty and unlike McCain he tells it like it is fuck the enemy win the war and no holds barred torture is part of war like Drugs ya might not like that they exist but you are never going to stop it and if you play by rules and other side laughs at ya.

Ahhh...another dumb-ass attack. Are you and Skully butt-buddies?

More on the myth...

The Myth of the Ticking Time Bomb​

You guys gotta get out more and stop watching so much bad tv.

nice unbiased source there
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bullypulpit]

Most in the USA have no stomach for war and our enemies know it now more than ever. Wake up there are no rules and you fools think there should be,Geneva convention my ass in war its kill or be killed,get what you can from prisoners and save lives. Assholes heads get cut off,women raped,about all the worst things in the bible why you think we do not want to go to war but if you do your hands cannot be tied. My father in law was captured in the Philippines during WW2 by the Jap's he was tortured plenty and unlike McCain he tells it like it is fuck the enemy win the war and no holds barred torture is part of war like Drugs ya might not like that they exist but you are never going to stop it and if you play by rules and other side laughs at ya.

Ahhh...another dumb-ass attack. Are you and Skully butt-buddies?

More on the myth...

The Myth of the Ticking Time Bomb​

You guys gotta get out more and stop watching so much bad tv.

nice unbiased source there
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, by all means , refute it...If you can.

 

[Burp]

The Progressive is an American monthly magazine of politics and culture with a pronounced leftist perspective. Known for its pacifism, it has strongly opposed military interventions, such as the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The magazine also devotes much coverage to civil rights, civil liberties, and environmentalism. It has opposed nuclear weapons from August 1945 to the present.

In the 1980s, it published stories about U.S. support for death squads in Central America. During the 1990s, The Progressive campaigned on behalf of immigrants, women on welfare, LGBT social movements, and prisoners. In recent years, it worked to end the economic sanctions on Iraq, to prevent U.S. involvement in the Colombian civil war, to adopt a more liberal policy toward drugs, and to institute public funding of political campaigns.

WXXM-FM in Madison, Wisconsin, an Air America Radio affiliate, features a "Progressive Radio" show with Matthew Rothschild. The half-hour show is broadcast on terrestrial and Internet radio stations across the country, as is a daily audio editorial, The Progressive Point of View, which features Rothschild.

The Progressive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Definitely an un-biased news periodical.

 

[DiveCon]

The Progressive is an American monthly magazine of politics and culture with a pronounced leftist perspective. Known for its pacifism, it has strongly opposed military interventions, such as the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The magazine also devotes much coverage to civil rights, civil liberties, and environmentalism. It has opposed nuclear weapons from August 1945 to the present.

In the 1980s, it published stories about U.S. support for death squads in Central America. During the 1990s, The Progressive campaigned on behalf of immigrants, women on welfare, LGBT social movements, and prisoners. In recent years, it worked to end the economic sanctions on Iraq, to prevent U.S. involvement in the Colombian civil war, to adopt a more liberal policy toward drugs, and to institute public funding of political campaigns.

WXXM-FM in Madison, Wisconsin, an Air America Radio affiliate, features a "Progressive Radio" show with Matthew Rothschild. The half-hour show is broadcast on terrestrial and Internet radio stations across the country, as is a daily audio editorial, The Progressive Point of View, which features Rothschild.

The Progressive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-----

Definitely an un-biased news periodical.

no shit
LOL

 

[Burp]

The Progressive is an American monthly magazine of politics and culture with a pronounced leftist perspective. Known for its pacifism, it has strongly opposed military interventions, such as the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The magazine also devotes much coverage to civil rights, civil liberties, and environmentalism. It has opposed nuclear weapons from August 1945 to the present.

In the 1980s, it published stories about U.S. support for death squads in Central America. During the 1990s, The Progressive campaigned on behalf of immigrants, women on welfare, LGBT social movements, and prisoners. In recent years, it worked to end the economic sanctions on Iraq, to prevent U.S. involvement in the Colombian civil war, to adopt a more liberal policy toward drugs, and to institute public funding of political campaigns.

WXXM-FM in Madison, Wisconsin, an Air America Radio affiliate, features a "Progressive Radio" show with Matthew Rothschild. The half-hour show is broadcast on terrestrial and Internet radio stations across the country, as is a daily audio editorial, The Progressive Point of View, which features Rothschild.

The Progressive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-----

Definitely an un-biased news periodical.

no shit
LOL

I'm sure some people treat it as gospel.

 

[DiveCon]

Ahhh...another dumb-ass attack. Are you and Skully butt-buddies?

More on the myth...

The Myth of the Ticking Time Bomb​

You guys gotta get out more and stop watching so much bad tv.

nice unbiased source there
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, by all means , refute it...If you can.

how about i refute it with a link to newsmax or WND, you'd accept those sources, right

 

[Zoom-boing]

My daughter sent me this:

"This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the U.S. , U.K. and Australia.

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.

'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?

Were people from all over the world not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:

I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,

I don't care!!

And may I add:

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'

One last thought for the day:

Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The Canadian Soldier.

3. The British Soldier.

4. The US Soldier, and

5. The Australian Soldier

One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country'."

Ah, yup.

 

[Red Dawn]

well, it's settled then. Debate over.


Republicans love torture, they love sadism, and they think torturing is as american as apple pie.

Liberals, and sane republicans like Ron paul and John mcCain think torture is unamerican, illegal and immoral.

 

[DiveCon]

well, it's settled then. Debate over.


Republicans love torture, they love sadism, and they think torturing is as american as apple pie.

Liberals, and sane republicans like Ron paul and John mcCain think torture is unamerican, illegal and immoral.

wrong again, asshole
the debate is on just what is torture
you saying talking to them harshly is torture
we dont
you are just a fucking pussy assed wimp