Civil Rights - what are included?

[Kosh]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

"Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?"

They shouldn't be, but more and more these days, the government is getting away with it.

Interesting. ALL of our Rights are delineated in the BoR's?!! So there is no right to vote, except those rights added in the Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment; the 15th A.; the 19th A.; the 23rd A.; the 24th A.; and the 26th A.

Sad that so many amendments needed to be added to provide the right to vote for so many citizens. Sad too that the Equal Rights Amendment was stonewalled by conservatives and never passed, allowing for women to toil in the same jobs as men and yet be paid less, and a US citizen residing in the Dist. of Columbia cannot vote for POTUS or VPOTUS even to this day.

See how the far left shows they do not understand the Constitution..

You do not have the "right" to vote for President as the electoral college decides that..

A state can choose whoever they want to give their delegates to, traditional they give it the one who won the popular vote in that state, but nothing says they have to give those to the winner..

Silly far left drone probably thinks they have a "right" to drive as well.

 

[Kosh]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

It depends on what you mean by 'rights'. In the age of the founders, rights were freedom from government action.

Rights today have a totally different meaning.

Yes you far left drones have destroyed the spirit of the Constitution..

Not one of you truly knows what the GD piece of paper is for..

 

[Skylar]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

 

[PredFan]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

"Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?"

They shouldn't be, but more and more these days, the government is getting away with it.

Interesting. ALL of our Rights are delineated in the BoR's?!! So there is no right to vote, except those rights added in the Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment; the 15th A.; the 19th A.; the 23rd A.; the 24th A.; and the 26th A.

Sad that so many amendments needed to be added to provide the right to vote for so many citizens. Sad too that the Equal Rights Amendment was stonewalled by conservatives and never passed, allowing for women to toil in the same jobs as men and yet be paid less, and a US citizen residing in the Dist. of Columbia cannot vote for POTUS or VPOTUS even to this day.

No, there is no right to vote. If you look closely you will understand that the constitution only states that you cannot be prevented from voting because of race, gender, etc. it's more of a rule than a right. That is why there are so many additions to cover it. Rights need no such defense.

What does the ERA have to do with this? The ERA was not passed simply because it wasn't necessary. There are already laws against descrimination based on sex. How about we enforce them?

 

[PredFan]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

 

[deltex1]

Where do you find this "right"?

The Right to marry?

It is a human right and I would think that is sufficient, but otherwise consult Constitutional case law. It has been upheld numerous times.

Marriage was always a religious ceremony until government insinuated itself into it.

But would you agree that marriage is a god-given right?

Far more a responsibility than a "right".

You're avoiding the question, deltex1...

Is breathing a right? No...it's human nature. So is sexual intercourse...around which responsible humans and religions built an institution to protect and encourage the success of the integral unit of society. Avoid that, Gertrude.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

"Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?"

They shouldn't be, but more and more these days, the government is getting away with it.

Interesting. ALL of our Rights are delineated in the BoR's?!! So there is no right to vote, except those rights added in the Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment; the 15th A.; the 19th A.; the 23rd A.; the 24th A.; and the 26th A.

Sad that so many amendments needed to be added to provide the right to vote for so many citizens. Sad too that the Equal Rights Amendment was stonewalled by conservatives and never passed, allowing for women to toil in the same jobs as men and yet be paid less, and a US citizen residing in the Dist. of Columbia cannot vote for POTUS or VPOTUS even to this day.

See how the far left shows they do not understand the Constitution..

You do not have the "right" to vote for President as the electoral college decides that..

A state can choose whoever they want to give their delegates to, traditional they give it the one who won the popular vote in that state, but nothing says they have to give those to the winner..

Silly far left drone probably thinks they have a "right" to drive as well.

We all vote for the people (electors) who vote for the President. Congress appoints the electors for the District, not the residents of DC.

An amendment to COTUS relative to the voting rights for the District of Columbia was proposed by the 95th Congress in August of 1978. It was passed by the H. or Rep. and the Senate, but was not ratified by 3/4 of the states during the specified seven year period.

District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, you need to take a HS course in Civics.

"Did you know that voters in the United States don't vote for the president? People actually vote for a group of electors when they go to the polls on Election Day. These electors have pledged to support a party's nominee for president. In many states the ballot lists only the names of the nominees and not the names of the electors, so many people believe they are voting for the president"

In fact the electors are not required to vote for the parties nominee even though they had pledged to do so, but only rarely does someone fail to do so.

See: Congress for Kids: [Elections]: The Electoral College
and,
We the Civics Kids - National Constitution Center

Feel free to read and learn Kosh, then you might make less of a fool of yourself.

 

[OKTexas]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

"Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?"

They shouldn't be, but more and more these days, the government is getting away with it.

Interesting. ALL of our Rights are delineated in the BoR's?!! So there is no right to vote, except those rights added in the Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment; the 15th A.; the 19th A.; the 23rd A.; the 24th A.; and the 26th A.

Sad that so many amendments needed to be added to provide the right to vote for so many citizens. Sad too that the Equal Rights Amendment was stonewalled by conservatives and never passed, allowing for women to toil in the same jobs as men and yet be paid less, and a US citizen residing in the Dist. of Columbia cannot vote for POTUS or VPOTUS even to this day.

See how the far left shows they do not understand the Constitution..

You do not have the "right" to vote for President as the electoral college decides that..

A state can choose whoever they want to give their delegates to, traditional they give it the one who won the popular vote in that state, but nothing says they have to give those to the winner..

Silly far left drone probably thinks they have a "right" to drive as well.

We all vote for the people (electors) who vote for the President. Congress appoints the electors for the District, not the residents of DC.

An amendment to COTUS relative to the voting rights for the District of Columbia was proposed by the 95th Congress in August of 1978. It was passed by the H. or Rep. and the Senate, but was not ratified by 3/4 of the states during the specified seven year period.

District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, you need to take a HS course in Civics.

"Did you know that voters in the United States don't vote for the president? People actually vote for a group of electors when they go to the polls on Election Day. These electors have pledged to support a party's nominee for president. In many states the ballot lists only the names of the nominees and not the names of the electors, so many people believe they are voting for the president"

In fact the electors are not required to vote for the parties nominee even though they had pledged to do so, but only rarely does someone fail to do so.

See: Congress for Kids: [Elections]: The Electoral College
and,
We the Civics Kids - National Constitution Center

Feel free to read and learn Kosh, then you might make less of a fool of yourself.

That's exactly why there are no national elections and why the feds should but out of the States elections process.

 

[Skylar]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

Let me visually simplify then. If I'm misquoting you, by all means please tell me.

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

 

[PredFan]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

Let me visually simplify then. If I'm misquoting you, by all means please tell me.

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

I never said "others". Wry catcher did. If you did t leave out his quotes, you would have a better understanding.

 

[Skylar]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

Let me visually simplify then. If I'm misquoting you, by all means please tell me.

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

I never said "others". Wry catcher did. If you did t leave out his quotes, you would have a better understanding.

I wasn't quoting Wry. I was quoting the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The 9th amendment clearly makes reference to other rights. You say there are none.

 

[PredFan]

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

Let me visually simplify then. If I'm misquoting you, by all means please tell me.

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

I never said "others". Wry catcher did. If you did t leave out his quotes, you would have a better understanding.

I wasn't quoting Wry. I was quoting the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The 9th amendment clearly makes reference to other rights. You say there are none.

Ok, I see. I thought you were referring to him and thinking I said that.

The ninth puts further restrictions on the government as far as rights go but I imagine it may mean that there may be a right that individual states and or communities decide they need.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

What are you suggesting? That people can? Or should?

Suggesting? The effort by the people, at least a small majority in CA to vote for and pass prop. 8

California Proposition 8 (2008) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly gay marriage is the most recent example, but Jim Crow laws were an historic example of the people's representatives acting for the majority and Red lining abridged equal treatment by the private sector.

Bigotry and racism existed in the past and exist today among the unenlightened and ignorant of all races and creeds.

Interesting... but what if citizens of a state passed a measure banning guns? Wouldn't hear a peep out of you.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Did Jefferson identify them in the Declaration of Independence? Or are they only the Rights delineated in COTUS?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?

What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

"What other Rights might be among the three noted in this seminal document?"

All the rights we have are delineated in the Bill of Rights.

"What Rights can we infer from the 9th Amendment?"

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

"Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?"

They shouldn't be, but more and more these days, the government is getting away with it.

Interesting. ALL of our Rights are delineated in the BoR's?!! So there is no right to vote, except those rights added in the Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment; the 15th A.; the 19th A.; the 23rd A.; the 24th A.; and the 26th A.

Sad that so many amendments needed to be added to provide the right to vote for so many citizens. Sad too that the Equal Rights Amendment was stonewalled by conservatives and never passed, allowing for women to toil in the same jobs as men and yet be paid less, and a US citizen residing in the Dist. of Columbia cannot vote for POTUS or VPOTUS even to this day.

No, there is no right to vote. If you look closely you will understand that the constitution only states that you cannot be prevented from voting because of race, gender, etc. it's more of a rule than a right. That is why there are so many additions to cover it. Rights need no such defense.

What does the ERA have to do with this? The ERA was not passed simply because it wasn't necessary. There are already laws against descrimination based on sex. How about we enforce them?

Thanks so much for your opinion, that your thoughts are myopic is no surprise.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

What are you suggesting? That people can? Or should?

Suggesting? The effort by the people, at least a small majority in CA to vote for and pass prop. 8

California Proposition 8 (2008) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly gay marriage is the most recent example, but Jim Crow laws were an historic example of the people's representatives acting for the majority and Red lining abridged equal treatment by the private sector.

Bigotry and racism existed in the past and exist today among the unenlightened and ignorant of all races and creeds.

Interesting... but what if citizens of a state passed a measure banning guns? Wouldn't hear a peep out of you.

Actually it would. My ideas on gun control does not include gun banishment. Only those who oppose any and all gun controls claim gun control (GC), and those who support it, seek to banish guns.

Prohibition does not work. Thus, those who claim that GC is my goal are full of crap. Only those incapable of writing a coherent rebuttal resort to that slippery slope fallacy.

 

[dblack]

I really think this whole topic boils down to what we think the purpose of government should be. Libertarians think that the only justification for government is to protect our freedom. Others want government to "run" society, albeit in different ways, like a corporation. It's the difference between a referee and a coach.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Can Rights be abridged by "The People"?

What are you suggesting? That people can? Or should?

Suggesting? The effort by the people, at least a small majority in CA to vote for and pass prop. 8

California Proposition 8 (2008) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly gay marriage is the most recent example, but Jim Crow laws were an historic example of the people's representatives acting for the majority and Red lining abridged equal treatment by the private sector.

Bigotry and racism existed in the past and exist today among the unenlightened and ignorant of all races and creeds.

Interesting... but what if citizens of a state passed a measure banning guns? Wouldn't hear a peep out of you.

Actually it would. My ideas on gun control does not include gun banishment. Only those who oppose any and all gun controls claim gun control (GC), and those who support it, seek to banish guns.

Prohibition does not work. Thus, those who claim that GC is my goal are full of crap. Only those incapable of writing a coherent rebuttal resort to that slippery slope fallacy.

EDIT the orange line: "Thus, those who claim gun BANISHMENT is my goal are full of crap.

 

[Skylar]

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

You need to notice that I quoted WryCatcher's words and then answered the question.

Let me visually simplify then. If I'm misquoting you, by all means please tell me.

None. The ninth amendment is a clarification of the Bill of Rights and restrictions on the government as to the Rights of Americans.

A clarification of *what* in the Bill of Rights? The 9th amendment isn't particularly tricky:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

So what is the 'others' of the 9th amendment. You say 'none'.

Others and none are pretty much opposites.

I never said "others". Wry catcher did. If you did t leave out his quotes, you would have a better understanding.

I wasn't quoting Wry. I was quoting the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The 9th amendment clearly makes reference to other rights. You say there are none.

Ok, I see. I thought you were referring to him and thinking I said that.

The ninth puts further restrictions on the government as far as rights go but I imagine it may mean that there may be a right that individual states and or communities decide they need.

States don't have rights in the constitution. They have powers. Only people have rights.

And the 9th makes it pretty clear there are other rights. Do you still insist there are none?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

The Right to marry?

It is a human right and I would think that is sufficient, but otherwise consult Constitutional case law. It has been upheld numerous times.

Marriage was always a religious ceremony until government insinuated itself into it.

But would you agree that marriage is a god-given right?

Far more a responsibility than a "right".

You're avoiding the question, deltex1...

Is breathing a right? No...it's human nature. So is sexual intercourse...around which responsible humans and religions built an institution to protect and encourage the success of the integral unit of society. Avoid that, Gertrude.

Rights are not without their responsibilities. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Skylar]

I really think this whole topic boils down to what we think the purpose of government should be. Libertarians think that the only justification for government is to protect our freedom. Others want government to "run" society, albeit in different ways, like a corporation. It's the difference between a referee and a coach.

Libertarians have a naive and dangerously childish notion of power, only recognizing the need to limit government power. They fail to recognize that private concentrations of power can be hideously exploitative, corrosive to society, and erode freedom to a draconian degree.

Its not a coincidence that the era that most closely matched the libertarian ideal was the era of slavery and indentured servitude. With the government's role to 'protect the freedom' to exploit, abuse, own and even kill other people.

Government can act in balance with personal concentrations of power. As any unchecked concentration of power will eventually be abused.