Rozman
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Later in the week I will open a discussion on the impending Zombie takeover of the world.
Have a nice night...
Have a nice night...
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I'm pretty sure that has already started, with infiltration into the NRA and CPAC.Later in the week I will open a discussion on the impending Zombie takeover of the world.
Have a nice night...
Actually, as the far right militia groups and their fervent glorification of religious cults (such as is evidenced in the Waco incident), culminating in the Oklahoma City federal building bombing is probably much closer to anything actually resembling domestic armed insurgency and rebellion than anything that happened in the '60s.
No, IMO. Way too small an insurgent group. You have to have more people involved than that, and less ......obviously radical and violent.
The '60s near-miss was almost all college students, a very mainstream population (which is why the openly communist leaders got nowhere with their doctrines: we just wanted to stop the war).
And the French Revolution was wholly initiated by intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, clergy, and other well-educated ....idiots.
It got out of hand, and the mob ruled and the crazies and power-hungry who grabbed power. Hundreds of thousands died by guillotine, drowning, and civil war.
Such a problem in revolutions..... Stalin. It will happen here, too.
I think you underestimate the underground swelling and support that the "race war" militias had (and have) among the far right, which actually has several political infrastructure "friendlies" and alliances (Tea party, fundamental Christian zealots, and every other fringe right radical group - KKK, NeoNazis, etc.,) as well as a substantial business community/economic influence and support. Of course, revolutions rarely go as those who aspire to them have designed and planned,...luckily.
No, IMO. Way too small an insurgent group. You have to have more people involved than that, and less ......obviously radical and violent.
The '60s near-miss was almost all college students, a very mainstream population (which is why the openly communist leaders got nowhere with their doctrines: we just wanted to stop the war).
And the French Revolution was wholly initiated by intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, clergy, and other well-educated ....idiots.
It got out of hand, and the mob ruled and the crazies and power-hungry who grabbed power. Hundreds of thousands died by guillotine, drowning, and civil war.
Such a problem in revolutions..... Stalin. It will happen here, too.
I think you underestimate the underground swelling and support that the "race war" militias had (and have) among the far right, which actually has several political infrastructure "friendlies" and alliances (Tea party, fundamental Christian zealots, and every other fringe right radical group - KKK, NeoNazis, etc.,) as well as a substantial business community/economic influence and support. Of course, revolutions rarely go as those who aspire to them have designed and planned,...luckily.
Yes, the Southern Poverty law Center has made millions off of suckers with this mantra. The reality is the VAST majority of KK types are lazy bums who would rather watch TV and
will beer.
A good friend of mine was the head of the ATF office in Fresno and they infiltrated a guy into the local KKK. After a few weeks he had been made the grand pooba and they had discovered that the only people actually doing anything in the group were the various undercover law enforcement people that had been infiltrated before the ATF got around to doing it.
They were and are a joke. The vast majority of those clowns are jokes.
A lot of dissafected Americans believe that a civil war or secession of one or more states is coming the USA.
Is this just the normal level of political malcontention, or is something new and significant taking place?
Should we really fear a large group of extremist Americans, say 10,000 or so, taking up arms against the govt?
The ONLY people I see talking about civil war are the conservatives who are dissatisfied that people won't vote for their corporatist candidates. Conservatism is a failed ideology which has nearly destroyed the world economy but conservatives have been so brainwashed into believing that the poor are the problem and greed is good, that they are willing to vote against their own self-interests. Liberals are not voting for "free stuff", they're voting against an agenda which transfers wealth upward.
The people I see talking revolution, are angry white people who hate it that a black man is president.
The ONLY people I see talking about civil war are the conservatives who are dissatisfied that people won't vote for their corporatist candidates. Conservatism is a failed ideology which has nearly destroyed the world economy but conservatives have been so brainwashed into believing that the poor are the problem and greed is good, that they are willing to vote against their own self-interests. Liberals are not voting for "free stuff", they're voting against an agenda which transfers wealth upward.
The people I see talking revolution, are angry white people who hate it that a black man is president.
You are mistaken: the first were the Occupy Wall Street types who tried to start leftist, communist, anarchist revolts in several American cities.
Revolution talk comes from both sides.
Civil War in the United States, the wealthiest, most powerful, nation on earth with the highest household income, the best housed and best fed in the world? That would be a first.
The US has the highest annual total personal income per capita in world.Civil War in the United States, the wealthiest, most powerful, nation on earth with the highest household income, the best housed and best fed in the world? That would be a first.
We are the wealthiest and the most powerful but far from the highest income, best housed or fed. That title tends to go to small nations that have resources far outstripping the population (mostly oil nations).
Besides that, it is not uncommon for the world’s powerful and rich countries to go into revolt when the government no longer cares for its people. Power, prestige and wealth have almost nothing to do with an insurrection. You do realize that when we revolted the British Empire was the most powerful and wealthy nation on the planet.
No, we will not revolt anytime soon but that is because of the 2 of the things you mention: we are housed and fed. More importantly, we are comfortable. I do find it interesting that people can believe an insurrection imminent when we can’t get more than a third of the eligible people actually voting. THAT tells you exactly how apathetic the American people really are. IF we were ready for a revolt, you would see voting numbers close to the 90 percent range if not more. If you do not care enough to walk out of your hose and press a button for change, you sure as hell are not going to get off the couch and get shot to death for it.
what makes you think govt. employees and soldiers of the USA would wage war against their own people without good reason?
A lot of dissafected Americans believe that a civil war or secession of one or more states is coming the USA.
Is this just the normal level of political malcontention, or is something new and significant taking place?
Should we really fear a large group of extremist Americans, say 10,000 or so, taking up arms against the govt?
Starting with my secessionist Texas Governor Rick Perry that had questioned candidate Obamas "American Patriotism" & then once we Americans have elected Prez Obama as president:
"These same guys want to secede."
Best Regards
Lobato1
A lot of dissafected Americans believe that a civil war or secession of one or more states is coming the USA.
Is this just the normal level of political malcontention, or is something new and significant taking place?
Should we really fear a large group of extremist Americans, say 10,000 or so, taking up arms against the govt?
Starting with my secessionist Texas Governor Rick Perry that had questioned candidate Obama’s "American Patriotism" & then once we Americans have elected Prez Obama as president:
"These same guys want to secede."
Best Regards
Lobato1
A lot of dissafected Americans believe that a civil war or secession of one or more states is coming the USA.
Is this just the normal level of political malcontention, or is something new and significant taking place?
Should we really fear a large group of extremist Americans, say 10,000 or so, taking up arms against the govt?
I certainly enjoy the parroting of far left wing sites and dishonest forms of activist "journalism" you seem to be misguided by, but Rich Perry does not nor ever has said he was for succession.
Just thought I would throw a fact bomb your way for funsies.
When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation, & one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want.
“So we’re kind of thinking about that again”
My Reference: Rick Perry Wants Texas to Secede from the United States | Rowdy Pulpit
& since you didn’t like my previous Business Insider’s reference feel free to use any of these other references: http://search.yahoo.com/search?n=10...kind+of+thinking+about+that+again"+-obama&vs=
Thanks again for the left wing talking points. I certainly appreciated the quotes from Perry that were featured in the Business Insider. Oh wait! There weren't any!
PolitiFact | Rick Perry and secession