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Lets start from the beginning. They are not made up, you presented a theory on why YOU THOUGHT they were. Put your theory in one hand and take a crap in the other. Shit has more weight than that bogus theory.
Now you gone full retard and just outright claiming something is made up....wait for it....without one shred of evidence. Just your squawking
So you can produce the evidence that PheonixOps has yet to produce? Unless you can prove the claim, I call bullshit.
They posted sources in the original article. Are you claiming the Seattle Times is not trustworthy? The largest Paper in Washington state?
One that has even backed a republican state attorney candidate?
I think you and QW are grasping at straws. It is kind of sad.
So you can produce the evidence that PheonixOps has yet to produce? Unless you can prove the claim, I call bullshit.
They posted sources in the original article. Are you claiming the Seattle Times is not trustworthy? The largest Paper in Washington state?
One that has even backed a republican state attorney candidate?
I think you and QW are grasping at straws. It is kind of sad.
It wasn't an article. It was an opinion piece. You know, where people say what they think and often spin. If I said that in November 2012, Obama said such and such but could provide no other evidence other than I wrote it in an opinion piece, would you accept it as gospel or ask for proof?
The speech the quote came from was never given, the quotes do not exist outside progressive fantasy blogs and old magazine columns. Feel free to prove me wrong by finding the speech, I looked because I wanted context. You aren't looking because all you care about is making the ****** look bad.
So what you're saying is the speech doesn't exist except it does. You don't like where it exists so you want me to show you the speech in a place you like?
So basically...you have nothing and are trolling
Where is your proof it exists? All I have seen is the alleged quotes from the speech, not the speech. Want to prove me wrong?
I am saying that race is not as much of a factor in a person's ability to earn a living or to become famous, become rich, to have millions of fans of all races, to achieve in their chosen professions.
Are there racists? Hell yes. There are White Racists, Black Racists, Hispanic Racists, Oriental Racists, Middle Eastern Racists, etc. Just as there are both male and females Sexists.
Being a Racist, bigot, or sexist is not dependent upon a person's skin color or gender. It is a state of mind.
If America was as racist as some of the left would have everyone believe, the NBA would be mostly White instead of Black. The NFL would be mostly White instead of Black. Oprah would never had gotten wealthy and famous. Obama would not have been elected President. Alan West would never have been an Officer in the Military.
Everyone is basically given the same basic chances to succeed. It's how they have taken advantage of those chances and the choices they made in their lives that have a greater affect and effect on the outcome of their lives than another person's racist or sexist mindset.
Black were banned from the NBA at one time. Don't you think that a sort of 'affirmative action' played a role in integrating different sports and the military?
Talent played the part of blacks getting into the NBA 63 years ago. The first Puerto Rican in 78 and the first Chinese player debuted in 2001. Not affirmative action.
I do agree that in many walks of life affirmative action worked, I believe now it is outdated. IMHO
I'm not actually 'blaming' him, I just ran across that picture and thought that it would make an interesting discussion. I do find it funny that on one hand he was praising it's virtues when he was benefiting from it and then turns around and says those negative things about it. It helped him get where he is today.
Do I think that there is still a need for 'Affirmative Action'? I (surprisingly to some of you folks) don't think that there is a need for racial hiring quotas and other similar quotas for the most part. I say "for the most part" because maybe someone can come up with a valid argument that may make me change my mind a little. I think a LOT of people , for various reasons, tend to over dramatize that 'evil' Affirmative Action.
They are not quotes, they are made up.
They "made them up" in 1995 so they can be used today?
My guess is they made them up to use them against him when he was nominated for the Supreme court, but then they found Anita Hill. The fact that they still can be used today because some people believe anything they read on the internet only makes it better. All you have to do to prove me wrong is find the actual speech.
Is it hypocritical to admit that the programs that advanced you simply because of your skin color are wrong and need to be shut down?
HMMMMMMM?
sooo, he should basically what, shut up?
You must be mistaking me for a republican 'conservative'. I am a Liberal and I believe in the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions.
As long as they are politically correct, eh comrade?
Is it hypocritical to admit that the programs that advanced you simply because of your skin color are wrong and need to be shut down?
HMMMMMMM?
exaclty. How is deciding something that you recieved undeserved as a child is not good for society in general? It may show you are undeserving of being where you are now, and it may show you are mean spirited and thankless, but not necessarily a hypocrite.
Is it hypocritical to admit that the programs that advanced you simply because of your skin color are wrong and need to be shut down?
HMMMMMMM?
exaclty. How is deciding something that you recieved undeserved as a child is not good for society in general? It may show you are undeserving of being where you are now, and it may show you are mean spirited and thankless, but not necessarily a hypocrite.
It was good for him, helped him to succeed. After he succeeds he determines the route he took should be destroyed because...*wait for it*....it doesn't help anyone he says while sitting on the Supreme Court.
Call that whatever you want...it's wrong
Is it hypocritical to admit that the programs that advanced you simply because of your skin color are wrong and need to be shut down?
HMMMMMMM?
exaclty. How is deciding something that you recieved undeserved as a child is not good for society in general? It may show you are undeserving of being where you are now, and it may show you are mean spirited and thankless, but not necessarily a hypocrite.
It was good for him, helped him to succeed. After he succeeds he determines the route he took should be destroyed because...*wait for it*....it doesn't help anyone he says while sitting on the Supreme Court.
Call that whatever you want...it's wrong
exaclty. How is deciding something that you recieved undeserved as a child is not good for society in general? It may show you are undeserving of being where you are now, and it may show you are mean spirited and thankless, but not necessarily a hypocrite.
It was good for him, helped him to succeed. After he succeeds he determines the route he took should be destroyed because...*wait for it*....it doesn't help anyone he says while sitting on the Supreme Court.
Call that whatever you want...it's wrong
So you are trying to say that the laws and rules that put obstructions in the path of Clarence Thomas and others 50 years ago are still in place and need to be protected against?
Do I understand you correctly?
It was good for him, helped him to succeed. After he succeeds he determines the route he took should be destroyed because...*wait for it*....it doesn't help anyone he says while sitting on the Supreme Court.
Call that whatever you want...it's wrong
So you are trying to say that the laws and rules that put obstructions in the path of Clarence Thomas and others 50 years ago are still in place and need to be protected against?
Do I understand you correctly?
No not the same obstructions. Are you trying to say that everything is all good and AA isn't needed anymore? If so, which feeling are you citing as proof? Fear? Anger?
I found this article pretty interesting. What say you?
Editorials & Opinion | Clarence Thomas: Poster Boy For Affirmative Action | Seattle Times Newspaper
So you are trying to say that the laws and rules that put obstructions in the path of Clarence Thomas and others 50 years ago are still in place and need to be protected against?
Do I understand you correctly?
No not the same obstructions. Are you trying to say that everything is all good and AA isn't needed anymore? If so, which feeling are you citing as proof? Fear? Anger?
Taking your emotion out of the equation and explain the how obstructions have changed of the last fifty years.
No not the same obstructions. Are you trying to say that everything is all good and AA isn't needed anymore? If so, which feeling are you citing as proof? Fear? Anger?
Taking your emotion out of the equation and explain the how obstructions have changed of the last fifty years.
You want to play this game. Your turn to answer.
Taking your emotion out of the equation and explain the how obstructions have changed of the last fifty years.
You want to play this game. Your turn to answer.
So there is no difference, even though you claim there is a difference.
I believe much has changed and with the electronic media, racism rarely flies under the radar. I also believe many races have gained much in the education and career advancement. Could it be better, sure. I think getting rid of affirmative action, it helps level the playing field and ends resentment and helps all realize they achieved on their own merit.
So your want to emotionalize the debate, is that because of fear or anger?
You want to play this game. Your turn to answer.
So there is no difference, even though you claim there is a difference.
I believe much has changed and with the electronic media, racism rarely flies under the radar. I also believe many races have gained much in the education and career advancement. Could it be better, sure. I think getting rid of affirmative action, it helps level the playing field and ends resentment and helps all realize they achieved on their own merit.
So your want to emotionalize the debate, is that because of fear or anger?
Your inability to answer my question shows you don't want to be honest. Thanks
So there is no difference, even though you claim there is a difference.
I believe much has changed and with the electronic media, racism rarely flies under the radar. I also believe many races have gained much in the education and career advancement. Could it be better, sure. I think getting rid of affirmative action, it helps level the playing field and ends resentment and helps all realize they achieved on their own merit.
So your want to emotionalize the debate, is that because of fear or anger?
Your inability to answer my question shows you don't want to be honest. Thanks
What question did you ask, the emotional fear or anger? I don't think it is either, I think it is you trying to frame the debate, and your inability to respond with anything of substance shows that.
No not the same obstructions. Are you trying to say that everything is all good and AA isn't needed anymore? If so, which feeling are you citing as proof? Fear? Anger?
Your inability to answer my question shows you don't want to be honest. Thanks
What question did you ask, the emotional fear or anger? I don't think it is either, I think it is you trying to frame the debate, and your inability to respond with anything of substance shows that.
I thought at least you would wait until it went to a new page to pretend you didn't see the question above.
Here:
No not the same obstructions. Are you trying to say that everything is all good and AA isn't needed anymore? If so, which feeling are you citing as proof? Fear? Anger?
