Bfgrn
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I am sure that you somehow can shoe that the soviet union and red china are littered with 'conservatives' right?
Sure...
When the tea partiers say we want our country back, what do they mean by our?
What polls show us about the tea party is that they are a fringe group diametrically opposed to mainstream America. Among all Americans, George W. Bush has a 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among the tea party he's viewed favorably, 57/27. An almost perfect diametrical difference.
Is there any precedent in history of todays the tea party?
The answer is YES a parallel to the 'Tea Party" occurred in Russia in the late 1980's. Russian conservatives, the Stalinists, wanted 'their' country back. It was an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups and nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.
And like todays tea partiers, they wanted their authoritarian government back.
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February 27, 1989
Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies
MOSCOW, Feb. 26 Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.
While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.
A Disparate Alliance
The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.
At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists''
Conservatives already claim credit for helping defeat certain candidates, most notably Mr. Korotich, editor of the liberal and popular magazine ''Ogonyok,'' and Andrei D. Sakharov, the physicist and Nobel Peace Prize winning dissident.
Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.
'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.
Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies
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Russia is an ultra conservative country, and liberals are in danger there.
More than 300 journalists killed in Russia since 1993, says joint report
The murder of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in October 2006 shocked the world. "Yet for every Anna, there have been many less widely known journalists killed for their work across Russia," says the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) in a groundbreaking report on the 313 Russian journalists killed since 1993.
More than 300 journalists killed in Russia since 1993, says joint report - IFEX
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What Mao Zedong said about liberalism
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"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.
It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung
You are the one going backwards. When change improves upon what it, when it is qualified, it is a good thing. When change is just for the sake of change, and you are asking everyone else to bankroll it, that is another matter, and further, without consent, it is theft. Change towards Totalitatian Statism, I cannot support.
I am trying to decipher your point through your constant chanting.
But, thanks for giving the perfect description of Ronald Reagan, the Totalitarian Statist. He was not a conservative, his goal was to destroy everything generations of ancestors created. And he stole 3 Trillion dollars of wealth from the middle class and poor and gave it to the opulent. So Reagan was a Socialist Totalitarian Statist