Clinton Warns Israel: Don't Isolate Yourself

[georgephillip]

...Except it's not a war between Gaza and Israel...

It is now.

...it's a belligerent occupation where one side controls the borders, airspace, and coastal waters of the other...

That's called a blockade.

...Jews had their last war with Hezbollah, remember how that turned out?...

Yeppers... the Israelis made the mistake of overlooking the impact of new Iranian weapons and a new Iranian training regimen, and went into Lebanon thinking that it was going to be a cake-walk, and they got their noses busted, on several occasions, during the course of that mini-war, and eventually pulled back without accomplishing all of their goals. But, in truth, Hezbollah's new level of competency puts them on a par with second- or third-rate reserve units of the armies of neighboring Arab countries, and we know how well the Israelis do against even first-rate units of that kind, when they're prepared and braced for such an engagement. Hezbollah has lost the element of surprise. It is a card that can only be played once, and that's now been done. Temporary advantage lost.

In connection with your silly and over-optimistic perceptions of the most recent rumble between the IDF and Hezbollah...

1. do you think that the Israelis will overlook Hezbollah's new level of competency the next time, when they take them on? If you do, then you're deluding yourself.

2. do you think that Hamas is on the same par as a re-armed and re-trained Hezbollah? If you do, then you're deluding yourself.

...Take that one up with the ICC if your Jewish masters allow it, Sweetie.

I have no idea what you mean by that.

I am comforted, however, by the idea that you have no idea what you mean by that, either, so, it's all good.

Oh, and, George, you still haven't served-up evidence, that the Israelis dictated the terms of the ceasefire to Egypt, before the Egyptians proposed it to Hamas.

Then again, you can't back up your wild and hairy-assed claims, can you, other than to flood the forum with drivel and bombast?

Like I said, you're really not anywhere near as good at this as you think you are.

But, keep trying, George (or is it actually 'Girgis'?) ... Allah loves try-ers, too !

Even Good Egyptians admitted they consulted with Jews before offering their "peace proposal." Why do you suppose the failed to consult Hamas? Because Good Jews are using a belligerent occupation of Gaza (that's been widely condemned by the world except for its greatest purveyor of violence) to present Palestinians with a simple choice:

1. Submit to mass murder whenever Jews decide it's necessary.
2. Leave Palestine.
3 Die like your children on the beach last Wednesday.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

US taxpayers have made Israhell a military power.

Historical facts support Hamas right to retaliate and fight.

It is indeed a David vs Goliath situation but hopefully Hamas will continue it to fruition.

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Hamas are scum.

The maddest dogs on the block.

To be put down, like an animal with rabies.

The higher the Hamas body-count, the better.

And it's gonna be damned high, this time.

'Scuse me, while I go back for more popcorn.

They have the absolute right to retaliate and fight for Palestinian sovereignty. They must not allow the zionuts to get away with murder.

Where there is a will there is a way.

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It isn't the Palestinians... it's Hamas.. who openly call for the eradication of the Israeli state.

 

[bendog]

There's no dispute that in response to the three dead teenagers, Israel re-arrested dozens of Hamas people who'd been freed in a prisoner swap, despite any indication Hamas organized the killings, and despite the West Bank being cooperative in trying to find the killers. And, Netandyahoo used the opportunity to say the two state option is no longer an option.

That said, Hamas still doesn't admit Israel should exist. But, unless they killed the kids, they didn't fire the first shot in this thing.

If it were up to me, we'd have let these pre-history tribes just slaughter each other years ago.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There's no dispute that in response to the three dead teenagers, Israel re-arrested dozens of Hamas people who'd been freed in a prisoner swap, despite any indication Hamas organized the killings, and despite the West Bank being cooperative in trying to find the killers. And, Netandyahoo used the opportunity to say the two state option is no longer an option.

That said, Hamas still doesn't admit Israel should exist. But, unless they killed the kids, they didn't fire the first shot in this thing.

If it were up to me, we'd have let these pre-history tribes just slaughter each other years ago.

They fire rockets into Israel almost daily.

 

[bendog]

Then why the impetus to attack Gaza NOW? Isreal doesn't ever do anything without a long term motive. That's one difference between them and Obama.

ps, and settlers cut down Pale olive trees daily.

 

[georgephillip]

Then why the impetus to attack Gaza NOW? Isreal doesn't ever do anything without a long term motive. That's one difference between them and Obama.

ps, and settlers cut down Pale olive trees daily.

Possibly because Netanyahu is under extreme pressure from his Right to shut down the tunnels that Hamas uses to sustain the Gazan economy and launch attacks on neighboring Jewish settlements. If Bibi can't finish the job this time, someone may well take his place who would be willing to reoccupy Gaza in spite of the expense in treasure and blood that would require.

Uri Avnery is a Leftist Jew who's lived in Israel longer than the Jewish state has existed.
He was seriously wounded in its War of Independence.
This is what he's saying today:

Netanyahu?s Operation Stupidity » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[flacaltenn]

Now that IDF boots are in the Gaza tunnels, former president Bill Clinton has some words of advice for Israel:

"Former US president Bill Clinton has warned Israel about 'isolating itself from world opinion' due to repeated conflicts in Gaza.

"'Over the long run it is not good for Israel to keep isolating itself from world opinion because of the absence of a viable peace process,' Mr Clinton told the Indian NDTV news channel yesterday.

"'In the short to medium term, Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage on Israel by forcing it to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas,' he added.

"Hamas had a 'strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own (Palestinian) civilians so the rest of the world will condemn them,' while Israel could not 'look like fools' by not responding to the heavy missile attacks."

Israel PM says ground offensive in Gaza under way - RTÉ News

Of course, the choice isn't only between killing kids and looking foolish.
Israel could also choose to end its belligerent occupation of Gaza.

Thanks for posting this GeorgieBoy. It validates the terrorism that Hamas inflicts on the subjects of it's awful government. MAJOR abusers of it's own people. And BillyJeff just summarized the Hamas "war strategy".. Get a bunch of civilians killed --- make Israel look like a bully.. That's their genius plan.. If only they valued education -- they might find leaders with 3 digit IQs and Moral Conscience...

Smart move bud.. Post more of the same.. Maybe you'll eventually read some of it..
PS.. Hasn't BEEN an occupation of Gaza since 2006.. NOBODY wants it. Egypt doesn't want it back. The Abbas Pali govt doesn't recognize it. And neither does most of the Arab League. The "citizens" need to throw Hamas the hell out of there..

 

[Contumacious]

Actually he believes that bad behavior has consequences. You otoh adjust your values as to whether it's bad for da Joos or not.
Bigot.

Actually you believe that zionuts bad behavior from 1925 to 1949 ought to be forgotten. The zionuts believe that the Palestinians RETALIATORY response must be used against them.

Hamas must teach the zionuts that crime does not pay.

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Bad behavior like the Chevron Massacre? Oops.
Nice to see you supporting america's enemies, you stinky piece of jew hating monkey shit, sir.

HUH?

Why is it that an enemy of Israhell is also an enemy of the USA?

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[Contumacious]

Hamas are scum.

The maddest dogs on the block.

To be put down, like an animal with rabies.

The higher the Hamas body-count, the better.

And it's gonna be damned high, this time.

'Scuse me, while I go back for more popcorn.

They have the absolute right to retaliate and fight for Palestinian sovereignty. They must not allow the zionuts to get away with murder.

Where there is a will there is a way.

.

It isn't the Palestinians... it's Hamas.. who openly call for the eradication of the Israeli state.

Hamas must teach the Zionists a lesson. Ethnic cleansing is an international crime EXCEPT when the Zionists do.

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[Kondor3]

...Even Good Egyptians admitted they consulted with Jews before offering their 'peace proposal.' ..."

Indeed.

Nolo contendere.

No contest.

But contacting a party, to double-check on what would be acceptable to them, is a far cry from taking dictation, as you have accused the Egyptians of doing.

...Why do you suppose the (sic) failed to consult Hamas?...

Ummmm... because...

1. relations between Egypt and Hamas have soured since Morsi's deposition

2. Egypt is the Palestinians only 'local' sympathizing power of any weight, still on its feet, and they did it for old times' sake.

...Because Good Jews are using a belligerent occupation of Gaza (that's been widely condemned by the world except for its greatest purveyor of violence)...

Very nice propaganda sound byte.

...to present Palestinians with a simple choice:

1. Submit to mass murder whenever Jews decide it's necessary.
2. Leave Palestine.
3 Die like your children on the beach last Wednesday.

More like...

1. acknowledge that you have lost, and surrender
2. live in peace
3. or die, if you'd prefer

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George, you've become a one-trick pony, and something of a drama queen, or, maybe you've been that way all along, and my slow wits just haven't picked up on that until recently.

In any event, a little less bombast and more fact, if you please.

 

[Kondor3]

They have the absolute right to retaliate and fight for Palestinian sovereignty. They must not allow the zionuts to get away with murder.

Where there is a will there is a way.

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It isn't the Palestinians... it's Hamas.. who openly call for the eradication of the Israeli state.

Hamas must teach the Zionists a lesson...

You tell 'em, tiger !!!

The Hamas body count is probably going to be huge as a result of this latest sortie.

Good.

Israel is doing a public service to the international community, taking out the garbage.

But it'll be a good game.

Time to break-out the Israeli cheerleaders...

Beer, anyone?

Kasher hot dog or brat?

...Ethnic cleansing is an international crime EXCEPT when the Zionists do.

Wake us up when you get to the International Criminal Court.

 

[Contumacious]

Even Good Egyptians admitted they consulted with Jews before offering their "peace proposal." Why do you suppose the failed to consult Hamas? ]

Because they know that Israhell controls US domestic politics.

By befriending the Talmudist entity , tate attract US entrepreneurs

" Mahlab Receives General Electric Chairman, Officials"

 

[Kondor3]

Even Good Egyptians admitted they consulted with Jews before offering their "peace proposal." Why do you suppose the failed to consult Hamas? ]

Because they know that Israhell controls US domestic politics.

By befriending the Talmudist entity , tate attract US entrepreneurs

"Mahlab Receives General Electric Chairman, Officials"

Ohhhhhh... Lordy, Lordy, Lordy... here we go...

It's all a Worldwide Joooooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya !!!

Dagnabbit... danged-blasted Jooooss !!!

 

[Ibentoken]

Israel warns Bill Clinton.....Hey Bill, pull your pants up.

 

[georgephillip]

Now that IDF boots are in the Gaza tunnels, former president Bill Clinton has some words of advice for Israel:

"Former US president Bill Clinton has warned Israel about 'isolating itself from world opinion' due to repeated conflicts in Gaza.

"'Over the long run it is not good for Israel to keep isolating itself from world opinion because of the absence of a viable peace process,' Mr Clinton told the Indian NDTV news channel yesterday.

"'In the short to medium term, Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage on Israel by forcing it to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas,' he added.

"Hamas had a 'strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own (Palestinian) civilians so the rest of the world will condemn them,' while Israel could not 'look like fools' by not responding to the heavy missile attacks."

Israel PM says ground offensive in Gaza under way - RTÉ News

Of course, the choice isn't only between killing kids and looking foolish.
Israel could also choose to end its belligerent occupation of Gaza.

Thanks for posting this GeorgieBoy. It validates the terrorism that Hamas inflicts on the subjects of it's awful government. MAJOR abusers of it's own people. And BillyJeff just summarized the Hamas "war strategy".. Get a bunch of civilians killed --- make Israel look like a bully.. That's their genius plan.. If only they valued education -- they might find leaders with 3 digit IQs and Moral Conscience...

Smart move bud.. Post more of the same.. Maybe you'll eventually read some of it..
PS.. Hasn't BEEN an occupation of Gaza since 2006.. NOBODY wants it. Egypt doesn't want it back. The Abbas Pali govt doesn't recognize it. And neither does most of the Arab League. The "citizens" need to throw Hamas the hell out of there..

Belligerent occupation, Cracker.
Jews control who gets into and who leaves Gaza by air, land, and sea.
The UN, all major human rights organizations, and the ICC all agree Israel continues to be the occupying power of the Gaza strip. The 1.7 million people that live there WANT Gaza to be free of the Jews that currently control their airspace, coastal waters, and the movement of people or goods across all land borders. It's time for all Good Jews to recognize the fact they will never be the only nation between the River and the sea. Sorry.

 

[Indeependent]

Now that IDF boots are in the Gaza tunnels, former president Bill Clinton has some words of advice for Israel:

"Former US president Bill Clinton has warned Israel about 'isolating itself from world opinion' due to repeated conflicts in Gaza.

"'Over the long run it is not good for Israel to keep isolating itself from world opinion because of the absence of a viable peace process,' Mr Clinton told the Indian NDTV news channel yesterday.

"'In the short to medium term, Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage on Israel by forcing it to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas,' he added.

"Hamas had a 'strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own (Palestinian) civilians so the rest of the world will condemn them,' while Israel could not 'look like fools' by not responding to the heavy missile attacks."

Israel PM says ground offensive in Gaza under way - RTÉ News

Of course, the choice isn't only between killing kids and looking foolish.
Israel could also choose to end its belligerent occupation of Gaza.

Thanks for posting this GeorgieBoy. It validates the terrorism that Hamas inflicts on the subjects of it's awful government. MAJOR abusers of it's own people. And BillyJeff just summarized the Hamas "war strategy".. Get a bunch of civilians killed --- make Israel look like a bully.. That's their genius plan.. If only they valued education -- they might find leaders with 3 digit IQs and Moral Conscience...

Smart move bud.. Post more of the same.. Maybe you'll eventually read some of it..
PS.. Hasn't BEEN an occupation of Gaza since 2006.. NOBODY wants it. Egypt doesn't want it back. The Abbas Pali govt doesn't recognize it. And neither does most of the Arab League. The "citizens" need to throw Hamas the hell out of there..

Belligerent occupation, Cracker.

Jews control who gets into and who leaves Gaza by air, land, and sea.

So does Egypt.
Any opinion on Egypt?

 

[georgephillip]

...Even Good Egyptians admitted they consulted with Jews before offering their 'peace proposal.' ..."

Indeed.

Nolo contendere.

No contest.

But contacting a party, to double-check on what would be acceptable to them, is a far cry from taking dictation, as you have accused the Egyptians of doing.

...Why do you suppose the (sic) failed to consult Hamas?...

Ummmm... because...

1. relations between Egypt and Hamas have soured since Morsi's deposition

2. Egypt is the Palestinians only 'local' sympathizing power of any weight, still on its feet, and they did it for old times' sake.

...Because Good Jews are using a belligerent occupation of Gaza (that's been widely condemned by the world except for its greatest purveyor of violence)...

Very nice propaganda sound byte.

...to present Palestinians with a simple choice:

1. Submit to mass murder whenever Jews decide it's necessary.
2. Leave Palestine.
3 Die like your children on the beach last Wednesday.

More like...

1. acknowledge that you have lost, and surrender
2. live in peace
3. or die, if you'd prefer

=========================

George, you've become a one-trick pony, and something of a drama queen, or, maybe you've been that way all along, and my slow wits just haven't picked up on that until recently.

In any event, a little less bombast and more fact, if you please.

While you're the same arrogant, self-absorbed wienie you've always been.
Here's where the kosher bullet hits the Semitic bone, so to speak.
Equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
Every Jew of voting age has a ballot to determine who writes the laws she lives under.
Less than half of Arabs do.
Arabs aren't going anywhere (see Sumud if still perplexed)
Millions of Arabs will die and kill before being transferred from Palestine AGAIN.
I know it tortures your Good German sensitivities, but that's just the way it works.
Jews will decide if their religion or ethnicity trumps democracy, but if (when) they get it wrong, the world will FLUSH their shitty, apartheid state into the same sewer occupied by their former trading partners, White South Africa.

 

[flacaltenn]

Now that IDF boots are in the Gaza tunnels, former president Bill Clinton has some words of advice for Israel:

"Former US president Bill Clinton has warned Israel about 'isolating itself from world opinion' due to repeated conflicts in Gaza.

"'Over the long run it is not good for Israel to keep isolating itself from world opinion because of the absence of a viable peace process,' Mr Clinton told the Indian NDTV news channel yesterday.

"'In the short to medium term, Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage on Israel by forcing it to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas,' he added.

"Hamas had a 'strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own (Palestinian) civilians so the rest of the world will condemn them,' while Israel could not 'look like fools' by not responding to the heavy missile attacks."

Israel PM says ground offensive in Gaza under way - RTÉ News

Of course, the choice isn't only between killing kids and looking foolish.
Israel could also choose to end its belligerent occupation of Gaza.

Thanks for posting this GeorgieBoy. It validates the terrorism that Hamas inflicts on the subjects of it's awful government. MAJOR abusers of it's own people. And BillyJeff just summarized the Hamas "war strategy".. Get a bunch of civilians killed --- make Israel look like a bully.. That's their genius plan.. If only they valued education -- they might find leaders with 3 digit IQs and Moral Conscience...

Smart move bud.. Post more of the same.. Maybe you'll eventually read some of it..
PS.. Hasn't BEEN an occupation of Gaza since 2006.. NOBODY wants it. Egypt doesn't want it back. The Abbas Pali govt doesn't recognize it. And neither does most of the Arab League. The "citizens" need to throw Hamas the hell out of there..

Belligerent occupation, Cracker.
Jews control who gets into and who leaves Gaza by air, land, and sea.
The UN, all major human rights organizations, and the ICC all agree Israel continues to be the occupying power of the Gaza strip. The 1.7 million people that live there WANT Gaza to be free of the Jews that currently control their airspace, coastal waters, and the movement of people or goods across all land borders. It's time for all Good Jews to recognize the fact they will never be the only nation between the River and the sea. Sorry.

You have a fervent imagination Georgie.. Israel doesn't control the border with Egypt --- Yet it also is closed. The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank won't deal with them. And MOST of the Arab League doesn't acknowledge the legitimacy of their "government"..

What part of being a official terrorist state dont you understand? The CITIZENS of Gaza are highly OPPOSED to Hamas practice of indiscrimate rocket attacks on Israel (70%) and every civil rights organization on the planet has chastized them about kidnapping, torture and detention of their citizens.

Contumacious whines about Israel's tight relationship with High Tech countries around the world (not JUST the US or GE). Yet --- OTH --- Hamas has no CONCEPT of International trade and cooperation.. So the question is Georgie --- Why are you sucking up to an officially declared International cartel of 18th century terrorists?

Yes they are locked up with Hamas. Like we locked up the Iraqis for 12 yrs with the madman Saddam. The US KILLED 100s of thousands of Iraqis with OUR blockade and we took the total keys to their economy and left them to starve and watch the bombs fall.. The
blockade of Hamas is no where near that severe..

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

After the new docs released on Bill Clinton today where he believed the NY Times over his own CIA regarding Bin Laden, that lunatic doesn't need to warn anyone of anything. MY GOD, no wonder we're in the mess we're in.. Our last few Presidents were fucking imbeciles and that includes Bush.

 

[Kondor3]

...While you're the same arrogant, self-absorbed wienie you've always been...

Again, don't try to be clever, George - it's not your strong suit.

...Here's where the kosher bullet hits the Semitic bone, so to speak. Equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea. Every Jew of voting age has a ballot to determine who writes the laws she lives under. Less than half of Arabs do...

And the vast majority of those Muslim-Arabs live within Fatah- or Hamas -controlled territory rather than the State of Israel. If your beloved Arabs lack a ballot, they had best complain to Fatah or Hamas.

...Arabs aren't going anywhere (see Sumud if still perplexed)...

Actually, yes, they probably are 'going' somewhere...

See your own propaganda maps and then project them forward a few years, if still perplexed...

...Millions of Arabs will die and kill before being transferred from Palestine AGAIN..

These are those same Arabs who participated in the Great Skeddadle of 1948, right?

It's a good bet, that if you kill off a few thousand militiamen, they'll run up a white bedsheet, and fold, just like they have, time and again in the past - when it gets right down to where the bear shits in the woods.

I don't think their adversaries need to fear a Japanese Homeland Defense -style Arabic Custer's Last Stand from the descendants of the Great Skeddadle.

...I know it tortures your Good German sensitivities, but that's just the way it works...

Irish-English-German, and all of that generations ago, thank you very much. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, because (a) I don't have a dog in this fight and (b) there's no way that gutless, nutless Fatah and Hamas are gonna convince their people to go insane and commit seppuku (hari-kari) along with them.

...Jews will decide if their religion or ethnicity trumps democracy, but if (when) they get it wrong, the world will FLUSH their shitty, apartheid state into the same sewer occupied by their former trading partners, White South Africa.

Nice piece of elephant-shit -caliber propaganda bombast, there, but, no cigar.

Your BDS initiative has been underway since 2005 and it's still a circus flea, nine years later.

Dream on, little Hamas propaganda shill.

Time's running out for Hamas... can you feel it?

Tick... tick... tick...

Now... excuse me while I put another brat on the grille, to celebrate the latest gaggle of Hamas killed by the IDF... dinner and a show...

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