Clock boy meet with Sharia PM

[tinydancer]

The kid didn't invent jack shit.
What the hell is going on here?

 

[aris2chat]

How many kids get in trouble taking a toaster, vacuum cleaner, radio, of some other device apart. Do they get to take it to school after that and not expect to be questioned about it?

We don't live in the same world as we did before 9/11, Columbine or even Kaczynski.

Do they get arrested and questioned by police WITHOUT their parents knowledge? This is the U.S.

He was questioned at school. After the police took him to the station, he waited for his parents.

Bomb or no bomb, to many it looked like the workings of a bomb. Police should not have been called? They should have just given him a pat on the head (oh wait, that would have been police abuse). His clock had no business at school and not disrupting class by going off.

Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents

The law is clear: Juveniles in Texas may have a parent, guardian, or attorney present during interrogation. Mohamed was repeatedly denied this request.

Irving, Texas, police violated Ahmed Mohamed’s civil rights by denying his repeated requests to speak with his parents during his detention for a purported bomb that was in fact a clock.


Mohamed, a freshman at MacArthur High School, insists he repeatedly asked officers to call his parents while being interrogated. Mohamed was questioned at the school, then taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention center, where he was fingerprinted and interrogated without his parents present, according to police and Mohamed.


Texas Family Code is clear this was not supposed to happen.

“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states.


Mohamed did not see his parents until he was released from a juvenile detention center, according to police and his family.

Furthermore, a “person taking a child into custody shall promptly give notice of the person’s action and a statement of the reason for taking the child into custody, to the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.”


Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said he did “not have answers to [that] specific question” when reporters asked him Wednesday why Mohamed was not allowed to speak to his parents.

The executive director of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said that answer is not good enough.

“Once they’re being questioned, they have a right to refuse answering,” Terri Burke told The Daily Beast. “And, unless it’s something like a traffic violation, [police] immediately need to release the child to their parents.”​

traffic accident vs potential bomb, or bomb scare

hmmm........ which is more serious?

It was pretty clearly not a bomb - after all, the teacher he initially showed it to didn't think so and nobody evacuated the school.

The difference between a timing device and a clock.............two wires attached to detonators

It might not have been attacked to explosives, but it would not be hard to take two or three elements of a bomb and assemble them at school.

Explosives, firecrackers, smoke bomb, stink bomb, a jello bomb, even a water balloon, a few small items and it could have been a device other than a digital clock that was gutted.

So why did he even take it to school if he knew it would be suspected as part of a bomb? It was not part of any school project, school at just started and he wanted to show off to his new teacher? He could not have found something else than a timing device that could be attached to a bomb?

Maybe he should have taken his digital watch apart and attach it to clay blocks to look more like a bomb. He could have attached it to a bottle of alcohol or a fourth of july dud and it still would have been wrong.

Was there not items in the science lab that he could have attached the clock to and created a dangerous device? If this kid was so smart, he might not have be able to think of something if he had wanted? Just because it was not a bomb does not mean it could not have been used for a bomb. It could have been used to start a fire or blow up the school boiler. Gum wrapper, paperclips, chewing gum, a wooden match a few times from the wood shop or auto mechanics lab, from the chem lab or even the biology lab. He could have taken a loud speaker wires and a light bulb, even spring from a ball point pen. You really think he needed C-4?

A smart kid but you think he can't have imagination?

Oh, but it was just a clock, not even one he made but gutted. It could have posed no danger at all...........WRONG

Are people really so stupid, or have I just spent too many years in other parts or the world watching kid much younger trained in warfare.

and our soldiers serving over seas............. but it was just a kid's clock and couldn't have killed so many soldiers or blown up a building. It was just a toy, it was just a tin can, it was just an empty box of cigarettes, it was just a plastic bag, it was just a cardboard box, it was just a backpack, it as just a kid on a bike, it was just a woman carrying a baby, etc.

But it was just a clock

But it was just a zero tolerance school he took the clock to.

 

[Coyote]

Do they get arrested and questioned by police WITHOUT their parents knowledge? This is the U.S.

He was questioned at school. After the police took him to the station, he waited for his parents.

Bomb or no bomb, to many it looked like the workings of a bomb. Police should not have been called? They should have just given him a pat on the head (oh wait, that would have been police abuse). His clock had no business at school and not disrupting class by going off.

Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents

The law is clear: Juveniles in Texas may have a parent, guardian, or attorney present during interrogation. Mohamed was repeatedly denied this request.

Irving, Texas, police violated Ahmed Mohamed’s civil rights by denying his repeated requests to speak with his parents during his detention for a purported bomb that was in fact a clock.


Mohamed, a freshman at MacArthur High School, insists he repeatedly asked officers to call his parents while being interrogated. Mohamed was questioned at the school, then taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention center, where he was fingerprinted and interrogated without his parents present, according to police and Mohamed.


Texas Family Code is clear this was not supposed to happen.

“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states.


Mohamed did not see his parents until he was released from a juvenile detention center, according to police and his family.

Furthermore, a “person taking a child into custody shall promptly give notice of the person’s action and a statement of the reason for taking the child into custody, to the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.”


Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said he did “not have answers to [that] specific question” when reporters asked him Wednesday why Mohamed was not allowed to speak to his parents.

The executive director of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said that answer is not good enough.

“Once they’re being questioned, they have a right to refuse answering,” Terri Burke told The Daily Beast. “And, unless it’s something like a traffic violation, [police] immediately need to release the child to their parents.”​

traffic accident vs potential bomb, or bomb scare

hmmm........ which is more serious?

It was pretty clearly not a bomb - after all, the teacher he initially showed it to didn't think so and nobody evacuated the school.

The difference between a timing device and a clock.............two wires attached to detonators

It might not have been attacked to explosives, but it would not be hard to take two or three elements of a bomb and assemble them at school.

Explosives, firecrackers, smoke bomb, stink bomb, a jello bomb, even a water balloon, a few small items and it could have been a device other than a digital clock that was gutted.

So why did he even take it to school if he knew it would be suspected as part of a bomb? It was not part of any school project, school at just started and he wanted to show off to his new teacher? He could not have found something else than a timing device that could be attached to a bomb?

Maybe he should have taken his digital watch apart and attach it to clay blocks to look more like a bomb. He could have attached it to a bottle of alcohol or a fourth of july dud and it still would have been wrong.

Was there not items in the science lab that he could have attached the clock to and created a dangerous device? If this kid was so smart, he might not have be able to think of something if he had wanted? Just because it was not a bomb does not mean it could not have been used for a bomb. It could have been used to start a fire or blow up the school boiler. Gum wrapper, paperclips, chewing gum, a wooden match a few times from the wood shop or auto mechanics lab, from the chem lab or even the biology lab. He could have taken a loud speaker wires and a light bulb, even spring from a ball point pen. You really think he needed C-4?

A smart kid but you think he can't have imagination?

Oh, but it was just a clock, not even one he made but gutted. It could have posed no danger at all...........WRONG

Are people really so stupid, or have I just spent too many years in other parts or the world watching kid much younger trained in warfare.

and our soldiers serving over seas............. but it was just a kid's clock and couldn't have killed so many soldiers or blown up a building. It was just a toy, it was just a tin can, it was just an empty box of cigarettes, it was just a plastic bag, it was just a cardboard box, it was just a backpack, it as just a kid on a bike, it was just a woman carrying a baby, etc.

But it was just a clock

But it was just a zero tolerance school he took the clock to.

Sounds like they need to arrest every kid who brings a clock or watch to school then.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

clock boy could of pulled the same stunt with one of those 40 pound cassette decks from 1973/74ish and gotton away with along with a nobel peace prize.

 

[aris2chat]

He was questioned at school. After the police took him to the station, he waited for his parents.

Bomb or no bomb, to many it looked like the workings of a bomb. Police should not have been called? They should have just given him a pat on the head (oh wait, that would have been police abuse). His clock had no business at school and not disrupting class by going off.

Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents

The law is clear: Juveniles in Texas may have a parent, guardian, or attorney present during interrogation. Mohamed was repeatedly denied this request.

Irving, Texas, police violated Ahmed Mohamed’s civil rights by denying his repeated requests to speak with his parents during his detention for a purported bomb that was in fact a clock.


Mohamed, a freshman at MacArthur High School, insists he repeatedly asked officers to call his parents while being interrogated. Mohamed was questioned at the school, then taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention center, where he was fingerprinted and interrogated without his parents present, according to police and Mohamed.


Texas Family Code is clear this was not supposed to happen.

“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states.


Mohamed did not see his parents until he was released from a juvenile detention center, according to police and his family.

Furthermore, a “person taking a child into custody shall promptly give notice of the person’s action and a statement of the reason for taking the child into custody, to the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.”


Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said he did “not have answers to [that] specific question” when reporters asked him Wednesday why Mohamed was not allowed to speak to his parents.

The executive director of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said that answer is not good enough.

“Once they’re being questioned, they have a right to refuse answering,” Terri Burke told The Daily Beast. “And, unless it’s something like a traffic violation, [police] immediately need to release the child to their parents.”​

traffic accident vs potential bomb, or bomb scare

hmmm........ which is more serious?

It was pretty clearly not a bomb - after all, the teacher he initially showed it to didn't think so and nobody evacuated the school.

The difference between a timing device and a clock.............two wires attached to detonators

It might not have been attacked to explosives, but it would not be hard to take two or three elements of a bomb and assemble them at school.

Explosives, firecrackers, smoke bomb, stink bomb, a jello bomb, even a water balloon, a few small items and it could have been a device other than a digital clock that was gutted.

So why did he even take it to school if he knew it would be suspected as part of a bomb? It was not part of any school project, school at just started and he wanted to show off to his new teacher? He could not have found something else than a timing device that could be attached to a bomb?

Maybe he should have taken his digital watch apart and attach it to clay blocks to look more like a bomb. He could have attached it to a bottle of alcohol or a fourth of july dud and it still would have been wrong.

Was there not items in the science lab that he could have attached the clock to and created a dangerous device? If this kid was so smart, he might not have be able to think of something if he had wanted? Just because it was not a bomb does not mean it could not have been used for a bomb. It could have been used to start a fire or blow up the school boiler. Gum wrapper, paperclips, chewing gum, a wooden match a few times from the wood shop or auto mechanics lab, from the chem lab or even the biology lab. He could have taken a loud speaker wires and a light bulb, even spring from a ball point pen. You really think he needed C-4?

A smart kid but you think he can't have imagination?

Oh, but it was just a clock, not even one he made but gutted. It could have posed no danger at all...........WRONG

Are people really so stupid, or have I just spent too many years in other parts or the world watching kid much younger trained in warfare.

and our soldiers serving over seas............. but it was just a kid's clock and couldn't have killed so many soldiers or blown up a building. It was just a toy, it was just a tin can, it was just an empty box of cigarettes, it was just a plastic bag, it was just a cardboard box, it was just a backpack, it as just a kid on a bike, it was just a woman carrying a baby, etc.

But it was just a clock

But it was just a zero tolerance school he took the clock to.

Sounds like they need to arrest every kid who brings a clock or watch to school then.

If they take it apart and hide it in a box so it looks like a bomb

cells phones and static electricity can cause an explosion.

but it was just a clock he gutted and took to school

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Imagine if a 14 yr old girl came in with a wonder bra that gave her that "Perfect Boob" look. and it was something she invented? I think Joe Biden would of called her ASAP!!!

 

[aris2chat]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

How would you feel if your underage daughter was given an abortion without you knowing about it or giving your permission?

Some states only need to notify, not require permission. Soon it will be done in the privacy of the home by phone and mail.

Meds can be paid for with a prepaid card, no ID card required. School, Dr or PP clinic can do blood test and ultrasound without parents. Now a teen can get over the counter for next day up to 72 hrs in any pharmacy.

Even rape victims who don't want to report could abort in the first two months at home.

 

[aris2chat]

Imagine if a 14 yr old girl came in with a wonder bra that gave her that "Perfect Boob" look. and it was something she invented? I think Joe Biden would of called her ASAP!!!

Bombs have been hidden in sneakers, why would a padded push up bra not be used. Baby diapers have been used. A bra with the wire might be over looked and the kid waved through. Without a pat down to be sure it was just a bra, kids might sneak a lot of things into school.
I'd rather a police dog than just a metal detector.

Some schools probably have scanners along with the metal detectors. Kids used to have to open their packs and bags, but more school may have opted for scanners now.

If Ahmed had been searched there would have been immediate police and transport to station, not questioned at principals office first. They would have had him on the floor in handcuff within seconds and a bomb squad to take the clock.

When it come to the safety of a thousand students in a zero tolerance school, it should have been instantaneous.
It is not like he could have said it was a class project. It had nothing to do with school and no student would have a project like that in the first couple of days at school. Office would have cleared a list of students with projects and a of the class and type of project might be brought to school.
The clock had no business being in school at all.

He also lied about building the clock, not a good start if being questioned about a potential bomb. Not a smart move to lie to a teacher, principle or police.

 

[Yarddog]

Obama’s ‘Cool Clock’ Muslim Boy Claims Racism to Foreign Audience


More publicity of him smiling over all the attention.

Getting tired of people like this kids family using our laws and freedoms against us. It was all a set up from the beginning.

 

[Yarddog]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

can you be more specific? how many hours before the parents were informed.
What are acceptable policies in dealing with a 14 year old suspected of being
used by terrorists?

there isn't a lot of prescident for that as well in regards to minors and terrorism

 

[Ame®icano]

Getting tired of people like this kids family using our laws and freedoms against us. It was all a set up from the beginning.

 

[irosie91]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

can you be more specific? how many hours before the parents were informed.
What are acceptable policies in dealing with a 14 year old suspected of being
used by terrorists?

there isn't a lot of prescident for that as well in regards to minors and terrorism

true------so?

 

[irosie91]

He was questioned at school. After the police took him to the station, he waited for his parents.

Bomb or no bomb, to many it looked like the workings of a bomb. Police should not have been called? They should have just given him a pat on the head (oh wait, that would have been police abuse). His clock had no business at school and not disrupting class by going off.

Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents

The law is clear: Juveniles in Texas may have a parent, guardian, or attorney present during interrogation. Mohamed was repeatedly denied this request.

Irving, Texas, police violated Ahmed Mohamed’s civil rights by denying his repeated requests to speak with his parents during his detention for a purported bomb that was in fact a clock.


Mohamed, a freshman at MacArthur High School, insists he repeatedly asked officers to call his parents while being interrogated. Mohamed was questioned at the school, then taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention center, where he was fingerprinted and interrogated without his parents present, according to police and Mohamed.


Texas Family Code is clear this was not supposed to happen.

“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states.


Mohamed did not see his parents until he was released from a juvenile detention center, according to police and his family.

Furthermore, a “person taking a child into custody shall promptly give notice of the person’s action and a statement of the reason for taking the child into custody, to the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.”


Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said he did “not have answers to [that] specific question” when reporters asked him Wednesday why Mohamed was not allowed to speak to his parents.

The executive director of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said that answer is not good enough.

“Once they’re being questioned, they have a right to refuse answering,” Terri Burke told The Daily Beast. “And, unless it’s something like a traffic violation, [police] immediately need to release the child to their parents.”​

traffic accident vs potential bomb, or bomb scare

hmmm........ which is more serious?

It was pretty clearly not a bomb - after all, the teacher he initially showed it to didn't think so and nobody evacuated the school.

The difference between a timing device and a clock.............two wires attached to detonators

It might not have been attacked to explosives, but it would not be hard to take two or three elements of a bomb and assemble them at school.

Explosives, firecrackers, smoke bomb, stink bomb, a jello bomb, even a water balloon, a few small items and it could have been a device other than a digital clock that was gutted.

So why did he even take it to school if he knew it would be suspected as part of a bomb? It was not part of any school project, school at just started and he wanted to show off to his new teacher? He could not have found something else than a timing device that could be attached to a bomb?

Maybe he should have taken his digital watch apart and attach it to clay blocks to look more like a bomb. He could have attached it to a bottle of alcohol or a fourth of july dud and it still would have been wrong.

Was there not items in the science lab that he could have attached the clock to and created a dangerous device? If this kid was so smart, he might not have be able to think of something if he had wanted? Just because it was not a bomb does not mean it could not have been used for a bomb. It could have been used to start a fire or blow up the school boiler. Gum wrapper, paperclips, chewing gum, a wooden match a few times from the wood shop or auto mechanics lab, from the chem lab or even the biology lab. He could have taken a loud speaker wires and a light bulb, even spring from a ball point pen. You really think he needed C-4?

A smart kid but you think he can't have imagination?

Oh, but it was just a clock, not even one he made but gutted. It could have posed no danger at all...........WRONG

Are people really so stupid, or have I just spent too many years in other parts or the world watching kid much younger trained in warfare.

and our soldiers serving over seas............. but it was just a kid's clock and couldn't have killed so many soldiers or blown up a building. It was just a toy, it was just a tin can, it was just an empty box of cigarettes, it was just a plastic bag, it was just a cardboard box, it was just a backpack, it as just a kid on a bike, it was just a woman carrying a baby, etc.

But it was just a clock

But it was just a zero tolerance school he took the clock to.

Sounds like they need to arrest every kid who brings a clock or watch to school then.

you know you are being what lawyers call ARGUMENTATIVE--------maybe the entire system of homeland security should be disbanded and your stinking ass should be blown to hell

 

[bodecea]

The kid didn't invent jack shit.
What the hell is going on here?

You are right...he didn't. Including not inventing a bomb.

 

[Coyote]

Imagine if a 14 yr old girl came in with a wonder bra that gave her that "Perfect Boob" look. and it was something she invented? I think Joe Biden would of called her ASAP!!!

Bombs have been hidden in sneakers, why would a padded push up bra not be used. Baby diapers have been used. A bra with the wire might be over looked and the kid waved through. Without a pat down to be sure it was just a bra, kids might sneak a lot of things into school.
I'd rather a police dog than just a metal detector.

Some schools probably have scanners along with the metal detectors. Kids used to have to open their packs and bags, but more school may have opted for scanners now.

If Ahmed had been searched there would have been immediate police and transport to station, not questioned at principals office first. They would have had him on the floor in handcuff within seconds and a bomb squad to take the clock.

When it come to the safety of a thousand students in a zero tolerance school, it should have been instantaneous.
It is not like he could have said it was a class project. It had nothing to do with school and no student would have a project like that in the first couple of days at school. Office would have cleared a list of students with projects and a of the class and type of project might be brought to school.
The clock had no business being in school at all.

He also lied about building the clock, not a good start if being questioned about a potential bomb. Not a smart move to lie to a teacher, principle or police.

What did he lie about?

Debunking the Muslim Clock Kid and the Obama Block Kid

Then, there was the criticism that Ahmed kept saying he “invented” this clock, when really all he did was transplant the guts of some other clock into a pencil box that looked like a briefcase. It was this critique that Weigel cited, retweeting a link to a very thorough article describing just how Ahmed had probably accomplished the feat, right down to the model of clock Ahmed probably used. Iconic atheist Richard Dawkins also floated this critique on Twitter, and Maher cited it on his show Friday night.


For all the difference it makes, I’m almost prepared to concede this point, but not quite. I’ve heard Ahmed talk about “building” the clock, which he clearly did, and I don’t know exactly how many times he referred to it as an “invention,” but let’s say he did it a lot. You can actually take an existing product, modify it, and get a patent for it, depending on how novel and useful your modification is. This might not fit the commonly understood definition of “invention,” but it does qualify. In Ahmed’s case, he made a clock that allows you to see what goes on inside it, an improvement whose utility and novelty are at least open to debate.

​

 

[ClosedCaption]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

can you be more specific? how many hours before the parents were informed.
What are acceptable policies in dealing with a 14 year old suspected of being
used by terrorists?

Trump Sues at the drop of a hat...Republicans support him.

Kid gets harassed at school and they dont support lawsuits. Or an even better dodge is to ask how long was he harassed, how hard and was it really that bad?

 

[bodecea]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

can you be more specific? how many hours before the parents were informed.
What are acceptable policies in dealing with a 14 year old suspected of being
used by terrorists?

Trump Sues at the drop of a hat...Republicans support him.

Kid gets harassed at school and they dont support lawsuits. Or an even better dodge is to ask how long was he harassed, how hard and was it really that bad?

I still wonder how any of them would take it if their own kid was taken in handcuffs by the police from school and interrogated for hours before they or a lawyer was notified.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I see his daddy said the little fraud was "traumatized" from all of it.....lawsuit in 3, 2..1

How would you feel if one of your darlings was held by the police and questioned for hours and you not notified and no lawyer there either? You'd be ok with that?

can you be more specific? how many hours before the parents were informed.
What are acceptable policies in dealing with a 14 year old suspected of being
used by terrorists?

Trump Sues at the drop of a hat...Republicans support him.

Kid gets harassed at school and they dont support lawsuits. Or an even better dodge is to ask how long was he harassed, how hard and was it really that bad?

I still wonder how any of them would take it if their own kid was taken in handcuffs by the police from school and interrogated for hours before they or a lawyer was notified.

Oh they would say "Thank you kind sir for arresting my child and making me come down here for the charge of....No charges. Thank you sir, have a fine day sir"

 

[Ame®icano]

It keeps unraveling...

Former teachers of clock boy Ahmed Mohamed say teen was a trouble maker who was suspended several times

 

[irosie91]

It keeps unraveling...

Former teachers of clock boy Ahmed Mohamed say teen was a trouble maker who was suspended several times

oh gee now Obama looks stupid he should vet people he invites to the
white house for lunch