Common sense gun regulations--need to be passed now.

[ThunderKiss1965]

More "Hey,Look over here".

Jared Lee Loughner's body count was 6.

Crashing a Truck into a crowd netted a body count of 4.

Las Vegas AR shooting, 58 dead with 851 injured.

Orlando nightclub shooting AR shooting, 50 dead
Virginia Tech, 33 dead using multiple weapons. Notice the body count has gone down. This was from experienced shooters. Getting a body count without the AR is hard to do.

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting: Used an AR type killing 28. He's a piker compared to the next AR shooter. Had he lived, he might have learned how to do it better.

These are the worst of the Mass Shootings in modern history. You want a high body count, don't use poison, Truck, Car or a Handgun. Use an AR type to get the highest body count.

And where does out Children's right to not be infringed in Living, Breathing and being Terrorized come into it? Are the rights of the mass murderers to auquire the AR take precedence over the lives and well being of your School Children, Movie watcher, Concert attendees? Exactly where to you draw the line.

I draw it with the AR itself. And I don't plan on actually taking it from you. Just push it one level in the firearms laws that already exist where it's much harder to buy by these wannabe mass murderers. Those that are willing to register their weapons of this type are NOT going to be the problem anymore than the people that legally own the full M-16 and AK-47s are. Believe it or not, the same criteria for owning a M-16 is applied to owning a revolver when you buy it from a reputable gun shop. With the exception of some states won't allow it and the secure storage of the weapon.

You keep pointing out the problem. I am presenting a solution that does NOT go against the 2nd amendment. You have the right to own anything short of a Nuclear Weapon. I know I do but I just don't have the facility to park that M1A2 anywhere and the Neighbors would complain when I churned up the paved roads.

So, stop with the NRA Boilerplate. I know you are paid well but we ain't buying it anymore. Or at least, less each day.

It’s fools like yourself we all know want to get rid of the Second Amendment...
You will have to do it this way. Good luck you silly little fucker

With a map like this...

It would be illegal to outlaw the AR. The Courts spoke of that decades ago on another firearm. But you can tax it like they did with the Thompson. So it's only 200 bucks. Most firearms licenses are 200 bucks. And have been for decades. Since they can't outlaw them, they tax them and make it harder to purchase them. Not impossible, just more difficult. Those 45 Thompsons, no a single one was used in a armed crime after 1934. Then the Feds started to tax the manufacturers of the Thompson. In a matter of a couple of years, the guns were no longer made. And the only time they confiscated the Thompson was when the person was either a criminal, document nutcase or used them in a crime. They didn't go out and look for them nor knock down doors to get them. The 2nd amendment was left completely intact.

We need to handle the AR the same way. Would you pay the 200 bucks one time to own one or would you pass on buying it. Chances are, you would pay the 200 bucks and stay within the law.

With the shootings as they are and going to happen, either find a compromise within the amendement or one day, they just might come after both of our weapons. Right now, the Congress Critters that are in the Employment of the NRA is being shown to the public. And that includes our Senator Gardner and Rep Tipton. Really bad timing on these two. Gardner received over 3 million in his election from the NRA. Tipton isn't that important so he receive a little over 100K. While these two are up for reelection this next cycle, they aren't even close to as vulnerable as others across the nation. People are getting fed up with the sale routine and boilerplate from the NRA that these people spout. At least, those with school age children. Imagine what it's going to be like in Nevada next time. Of course, Romney will probably go to the senate but they will probably lose at least 2 other seats. The change is already happening when there is a special election in some states.

Now is the time to come up with a reasonable solution. In 8 years, you may not like the solution when the real gun grabbers take control of Washington and the States. This would be for the same reasons that the Thompson was taxed right out of existance. Too many school children were caught up in the cross fire between the gangsters.

First of all the Ar15 is harmless, more People use hammers to kill more people every year.
Ar15’s are only an sporting rifle nothing less nothing more

Just how much is the NRA paying you? I hope it's enough.

Lol
The NRA is no where enough pro-gun for me, this country needs to be better armed.
I know you don’t believe there is any reason for the Second Amendment and that’s fine that’s your opinion. I really don’t give two shits…

Scary plastics and composite materials.

 

[HappyJoy]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

Other countries deal with all of these yet do not have our gun violence. Why is that?

So called “gun violence” is a nonissue.
So far this year 33,000 people died from medical errors, that is absolutely criminal.
A much larger issue...
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Tobacco kills more people than cars, didn't stop us from enforcing seat belt laws and other safety regulations to reduce the number of deaths due to auto accidents. Why you ask? Because nobody buys your stupid fucking argument.

 

[Rustic]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

Other countries deal with all of these yet do not have our gun violence. Why is that?

So called “gun violence” is a nonissue.
So far this year 33,000 people died from medical errors, that is absolutely criminal.
A much larger issue...
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Tobacco kills more people than cars, didn't stop us from enforcing seat belt laws and other safety regulations to reduce the number of deaths due to auto accidents. Why you ask? Because nobody buys your stupid fucking argument.

No one has to wear seatbelts... If they do it’s a ridiculous law.
You did not answer my question, what are you gonna do about the criminal behavior of 33,000 people killed by medical errors?

 

[HappyJoy]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

Other countries deal with all of these yet do not have our gun violence. Why is that?

So called “gun violence” is a nonissue.
So far this year 33,000 people died from medical errors, that is absolutely criminal.
A much larger issue...
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Tobacco kills more people than cars, didn't stop us from enforcing seat belt laws and other safety regulations to reduce the number of deaths due to auto accidents. Why you ask? Because nobody buys your stupid fucking argument.

No one has to wear seatbelts... If they do it’s a ridiculous law.

No one has to wear seat belts? Pretty much everyone has to wear seat belts for very common sense reasons.

You did not answer my question, what are you gonna do about the criminal behavior of 33,000 people killed by medical errors?

It's off topic, start a new thread on the subject.

 

[Rustic]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

Other countries deal with all of these yet do not have our gun violence. Why is that?

So called “gun violence” is a nonissue.
So far this year 33,000 people died from medical errors, that is absolutely criminal.
A much larger issue...
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Tobacco kills more people than cars, didn't stop us from enforcing seat belt laws and other safety regulations to reduce the number of deaths due to auto accidents. Why you ask? Because nobody buys your stupid fucking argument.

No one has to wear seatbelts... If they do it’s a ridiculous law.

No one has to wear seat belts? Pretty much everyone has to wear seat belts for very common sense reasons.

You did not answer my question, what are you gonna do about the criminal behavior of 33,000 people killed by medical errors?

It's off topic, start a new thread on the subject.

I never wear seatbelts...
Anyway
I figured you were too much of a hypocrite to answer the question

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

So again the No-Fly list to ban someone from their constitutionial right?

The same list that had Ted Kennedy?

Also what happen to innocent before proven guilty?

Why is it Democrats like you want to use flawed lists to take someone rights away?

Also the mental illness one would never work seeing every human suffer from mental illness and leaving someone rights in a doctor hands is opening the door for abuse.

Also to change the Second Amendment would take an act of Congress and approval from the states and you damn well know you lack the votes in the Senate even if you swept in November!

So let cut the nonsense and you need to realize gun laws you want will never happen!

The USSC will also be the thorn in your side!

So you're O.K. with protecting the people on an airplane but not on the ground--- Well Republicans didn't want to protect people on planes anyway. So at least they're not discriminating from between people on planes or on the ground.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

If a doctor says someone is bat shit crazy--I'll give him a loaded AR-15 and sit you in the same room with him and we'll use that as a case study experiment.

There is no change to the second amendment. Our forefathers never intended guns to be used for mass slaughter of American citizens. You can regulate the 2nd amendment with common sense gun regulations without interferring with someone's right to own a gun--(excluding felons & criminals as they do now.) The problem is--that the 2nd amendment needs to have more regulations to adjust to the "intent" of our forefathers to keep innocents safe.

Again the No-Fly list had Ted Kennedy on it, you know that former Senator from the Kennedy family because his name was similar to a known IRA member, so again the list convict someone and strips them of their rights just because they may or may not be a terrorist.

Also all humans are mentally ill, so all humans should not be allow to own a gun according to your comments!

Leaving the right to own a gun to a doctor is just beyond stupid because a quack could either deny the person based on his hate for the patient or could be bribed!

So go for your laws and when they fail like they always do you can pass more and more until you get your perfect Stalinist lifestyle.

America has over three hundred million people across fifty states and put this number where you can understand only China and India have more people than us, so deaths will happen daily!

Now seeing you want to ban guns from society I want to ban cellphones from society!

You have idiots like you driving daily while having your ear glue to your phone and causing accidents!

Now you will claim that it is your right to own a cellphone and yet the Constitution does not protect your right like it does with firearms.

You also interpret the Constitution to fit your own agenda and you do not know what the founding fathers meant except Americans have the right to bear arms, and this upsets those like you.

So remember it is against the law to kill already and that has yet to stop the bloodline of Cain from doing it, so how many more worthless laws do you need before realizing it is the human factor and not the weapon that is doing the killing?

 

[Cellblock2429]

You know how much I care about What UK, Australia or NZ government do to their citizens?

Other civilized countries... like Switzerland perhaps?

The United States is unparalleled in its civil liberties, looking at other countries doesn't work because literally no other country has the right to bear arms as one of its most basic tenets. Having said that, governments of those countries can do pretty much anything to limit the people rights without worrying that people could refuse. That normally leads to tyranny. Try criticizing refugee policy in Germany, or refugee rape in Sweden.

Liberals around the world won't stop talking about gun control in response to crazy shooters. They say nothing about shooting violence around the world on every continent and in every region. Today was mass shooting in south Russia church, but we didn't hear about it, did we?

Its purely political that liberals fixate on the USA and ignore the rest of the world, maybe because we are the last republic where leftists, socialist and communists don't have full control.

What a total load of crap. You think your right to bear arms gives you freedom? TSA, anybody? ATF anybody? Lobby groups that run your govt, anybody? A place where sheriffs and DAs are elected ENSURING that civil liberties and the spirit behind most of the laws are actively ignored because said officials are more worried about being reelected rather than serving the people.

Switzerland? That place where all its citizens have arms but there are no mass shootings? That Switzerland?

Oh, Russia? A country all but totalitarian in name? That Russia? Putin's Russia?

Pal, you name me one instance where US citizens are more 'free' than me here in Australia or home in NZ and I'll shoot it down every time.

The only things you Yanks admire are those with the almighty dollar in their back pocket. And THEY run your country, not the citizens.
US? Free? Fuck off. If I were to rank western countries on a freedom index, the US wouldn't even make the top 10. On paper? Sure, you could convince me. In reality? Laughable.

/——/ The 2nd Amendment gives us security. And if you don’t like it, stay out of our country.

 

[Ame®icano]

You know how much I care about What UK, Australia or NZ government do to their citizens?

Other civilized countries... like Switzerland perhaps?

The United States is unparalleled in its civil liberties, looking at other countries doesn't work because literally no other country has the right to bear arms as one of its most basic tenets. Having said that, governments of those countries can do pretty much anything to limit the people rights without worrying that people could refuse. That normally leads to tyranny. Try criticizing refugee policy in Germany, or refugee rape in Sweden.

Liberals around the world won't stop talking about gun control in response to crazy shooters. They say nothing about shooting violence around the world on every continent and in every region. Today was mass shooting in south Russia church, but we didn't hear about it, did we?

Its purely political that liberals fixate on the USA and ignore the rest of the world, maybe because we are the last republic where leftists, socialist and communists don't have full control.

What a total load of crap. You think your right to bear arms gives you freedom? TSA, anybody? ATF anybody? Lobby groups that run your govt, anybody? A place where sheriffs and DAs are elected ENSURING that civil liberties and the spirit behind most of the laws are actively ignored because said officials are more worried about being reelected rather than serving the people.

Switzerland? That place where all its citizens have arms but there are no mass shootings? That Switzerland?

Oh, Russia? A country all but totalitarian in name? That Russia? Putin's Russia?

Pal, you name me one instance where US citizens are more 'free' than me here in Australia or home in NZ and I'll shoot it down every time.

The only things you Yanks admire are those with the almighty dollar in their back pocket. And THEY run your country, not the citizens.
US? Free? Fuck off. If I were to rank western countries on a freedom index, the US wouldn't even make the top 10. On paper? Sure, you could convince me. In reality? Laughable.

You're funny. People who think that rights come from government telling us they have more rights than we do.

The right to bear arms doesn't give me freedom, it is the right that ensure that freedom is not taken away from me. Like freedom of speech, that we cherish here in US, and you Aussies don't have. You do have something called "implied right for political speech" that is giving you some kind of impression of free speech, but it's not, and by your own constitution can be taken away.

You missed the point of my post completely, you saw I mentioned Switzerland and Russia, and completely disregarded the contest of their mention in your rant that, by the way, ignored mentioning of Germany or Sweden. So go back and read it again, with some comprehension, if possible and come back with another reply that's not obnoxious and actually address my post. Can you do that... mate?

 

[Ame®icano]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

So again the No-Fly list to ban someone from their constitutionial right?

The same list that had Ted Kennedy?

Also what happen to innocent before proven guilty?

Why is it Democrats like you want to use flawed lists to take someone rights away?

Also the mental illness one would never work seeing every human suffer from mental illness and leaving someone rights in a doctor hands is opening the door for abuse.

Also to change the Second Amendment would take an act of Congress and approval from the states and you damn well know you lack the votes in the Senate even if you swept in November!

So let cut the nonsense and you need to realize gun laws you want will never happen!

The USSC will also be the thorn in your side!

So you're O.K. with protecting the people on an airplane but not on the ground--- Well Republicans didn't want to protect people on planes anyway. So at least they're not discriminating from between people on planes or on the ground.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

If a doctor says someone is bat shit crazy--I'll give him a loaded AR-15 and sit you in the same room with him and we'll use that as a case study experiment.

There is no change to the second amendment. Our forefathers never intended guns to be used for mass slaughter of American citizens. You can regulate the 2nd amendment with common sense gun regulations without interferring with someone's right to own a gun--(excluding felons & criminals as they do now.) The problem is--that the 2nd amendment needs to have more regulations to adjust to the "intent" of our forefathers to keep innocents safe.

People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

You can blame this disaster on Republicans who have owned congress since 2010. So if you lose your semi-automatics point your finger in the right direction.

Republicans have done nothing to help keep these weapons out of the wrong hands. In fact quite the opposite.

1. Trump and Republicans repealed Obama's order that mental health background checks be done.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

2. They wouldn't even put people who were on an FBI watch list, or no fly list on a no gun list.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

When the Aurora Theatre shooting happened, Republicans did NOTHING. When Sandy Hook happened, Republicans did NOTHING. When San Bernadino happened, Republicans did NOTHING. When Las Vegas, Nevada happened, Republicans did NOTHING. When Orlando, Florida happened by a person who (was on the FBI terrorist watch list) Republicans did NOTHING. And they're doing the exact same thing today--over this school shooting in Florida, they're doing NOTHING--except to offer sympathies and hold prayer vigils.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265. Yes, that's 265 dollars.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

There are no laws that would’ve stopped these freaks. Shit happens...
People are gonna kill with whatever means necessary, they don’t have to ask permission

We should finally address this issue and outlaw the murder.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The hell it isn't. It's a worthless piece of shit gun--and it's only purpose is to make some fat ass feel like RAMBO. You can't hunt with it, you can't use with a concealed weapons permit, it's only purpose is to kill people.

A 5 dollar part turns this semi-automatic piece of shit into fully automatic.

Stick to what you know, not what you think you know.

Regardless of looking like one, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. You lefties will call orange a banana if it fits your narrative, it's still doesn't make it a banana.

I didn't say it was an assault rifle--it is a semi-automatic, and we witnessed in Las Vegas that these semi automatics can be easily converted into a fully automatic with a bump stock that sells cheap at many gun stores in this country.

You can blame this on Republicans who have been in power in congress since 2010--and have done NOTHING to help keep guns out of the wrong hands and have fought tooth and nail to protect the NRA--(their campaign cash cow.)
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

So if you lose your semi automatics point your blame finger in the right direction.

Republicans did NOTHING after the Aurora theatre shooting, they did NOTHING after Sandy Hook, they did NOTHING after San Bernadino, they did NOTHING after Las Vegas, they did NOTHING after Orlando, Florida, and they're doing NOTHING today after this school shooting in Florida, except offer their sympathies and holding prayer vigils.

OBAMA simply asked Republicans to put people who were on Terrorist watch lists, and no fly lists on the no gun list. They refused, then Orlando Florida happened. OBAMA initiated mental health checks, after Sandy Hook, and Trump & Republicans repealed that.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

So who's really to blame for all this?

Your Republican Senators & Congressmen--whom have made it very clear they're not going to do JACK SHIT. If you want change & common sense gun regulation you'll have to head to the polls this coming November, 2018 and vote for DEMOCRATS.

What?

If you keep telling these lies, you think they will come true?

This has been debunked twice --- going for the trifecta?

He's that desperate...

"If you want change & common sense gun regulation"...

We like our rights, and we don't want change and gun regulation, especially not from Democrats.

He doesn't get it.

I get it. You are supporting those that do the Mass Murders of School Children and Terrorist by not denying them of the one thing that makes their Mass Murdering of School Children have the high body count. It worked in 1934 when the Feds outlawed the common purchase of the Thompson for exactly the same reason. To do otherwise means that you are nothing but a cheap, run of the mill Baby Killer.

I get it. You're determined to blame the blood on YOUR hands on anyone else. WE are not, and never have, advocated that absolutely anyone be able to obtain a gun, but YOU are most certainly advocating that absolutely everyone be a vulnerable, helpless target.

What happened in Florida is a result of YOUR demands, not ours, so hold your damned breath waiting for any of us to consider you some sort of moral arbiter we're going to grovel for the approval of. I'll give a rat's ass about your insults and accusations about five seconds after I wonder what Ted Bundy would think of me.

Keep spewing your vitriol. We'll keep realizing it's your guilty conscience.

 

[hunarcy]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

For the last 55 years, the left has been passing "common sense gun regulations" and when they inevitably failed, they demanded more and more until finally, there are no "common sense gun regulations" left to pass so they demand that people who have done nothing wrong must give up their rights. And, when those steps fail, they will demand more and more draconian measures be passed until there's no freedom left for the American people.

However, those leftists resist measures to deal with the true issue. It is not to their advantage to deal with the mentally ill in an effective way while protecting society from their illnesses as well. People who are truly mentally ill should be involuntarily committed and treated until they are able to live complete and productive lives where they will be no danger to themselves or others. Sadly, the Clintonian lefties don't see that as an option because it doesn't advance their agenda or give them more power over our lives. That's why I can't take their faux-outrage seriously. True progressives want to improve society, not control it.

Part of what you are saying I don't find fault with. But the problem with the borderline mental ill is that they are harder to identify and almost impossible to diagnose. You can pass all the laws you wish but if they can't be enforced properly then they are just out to lunch. Besides, you may end up with a 1st amendment problem with those laws.

I happen to be a Progressive Conservative. Remember us from the Eisenhower days? Sometime in the late 60s the Republican Party went off the rails and has been ever since. Of course, the Democratic Party is also off the rails. Now how about putting partisan politics aside and work out a real solution. It was done in 1934.

If they are "borderline mentally ill", they should have a therapist monitoring them and treating them. If that Therapist judges that they are a danger to themselves and others, they should be involuntarily committed and brought before a family court judge who can monitor the case to ensure that no abuse is happening.

 

[Dr Grump]

[\
Curious. Fyi... love Australia. Amazing country. Been there twice. I have read reports of increase crime.

They tend to be up and down.

 

[Dr Grump]

[
We don’t have any real freedom in this country because of socialism…

Who knew all the anti-environmentalist lobbyists who throw money at govt, and the NRA who do the same, were socialists. Interesting....

 

[Dr Grump]

Like most lunatics, grump has no idea what he is babbling about.

if you approve of the US gun culture, you have no right calling anybody a lunatic...

 

[Dr Grump]

You don't seem to understand how Constitutional Amendments happen. Congress sends them to the governors who either send it to their states legislature or the State calls for a convention it's not a popular vote.

Um, what part don't I understand? I didn't even mention how it works in my posts...

 

[Dr Grump]

/——/ The 2nd Amendment gives us security. And if you don’t like it, stay out of our country.

RATFLMAO!!! What security? And from what? And how secure are you? All other western countries have no second and they are easily a lot more secure than the US...easily...

 

[JBond]

Like most lunatics, grump has no idea what he is babbling about.

if you approve of the US gun culture, you have no right calling anybody a lunatic...

Yet areas with the most restrictive gun control laws have the most violence. Hmm... It almost like you want more violence.

 

[JBond]

/——/ The 2nd Amendment gives us security. And if you don’t like it, stay out of our country.

RATFLMAO!!! What security? And from what? And how secure are you? All other western countries have no second and they are easily a lot more secure than the US...easily...

Liar.

 

[Dr Grump]

You're funny. People who think that rights come from government telling us they have more rights than we do.

The right to bear arms doesn't give me freedom, it is the right that ensure that freedom is not taken away from me. Like freedom of speech, that we cherish here in US, and you Aussies don't have. You do have something called "implied right for political speech" that is giving you some kind of impression of free speech, but it's not, and by your own constitution can be taken away.

You missed the point of my post completely, you saw I mentioned Switzerland and Russia, and completely disregarded the contest of their mention in your rant that, by the way, ignored mentioning of Germany or Sweden. So go back and read it again, with some comprehension, if possible and come back with another reply that's not obnoxious and actually address my post. Can you do that... mate?

But that's the laughable part. You think you having arms gives you freedom. Yeah, as the F16 blows up your house as you point your shotgun at him - that'll work. Not.

You talk semantics, not reality. When Helen Clark was Prime Minister in NZ somebody appeared at her political rally with the T-Shirt saying "Helen you suck" or something along those lines. What happened? Nothing. The person was ignored and laughed at. In the US? You get frog marched out or punched in the head. There is a lot more freedom of speech in NZ or Australia than there is in the US. Hell, you've got a president who CONSTANTLY lies all the time and you are okay with that. And he calls the truth, even when there is irrefutable evidence of otherwise, Fake News. And you are okay with that. Please, don't preach to me how much more 'free' you are when that is patently not true in any way, shape or form.

In NZ you have name suppression in court contentious cases in case the charges are found to be frivolous and untrue. It protects the innocent. If found guilty, the name is published for all to see. In the US? You are perp marched (especially if you are famous) the day you are arrested whether you are guilty or not. People's lives and careers are ruined just so an elected official (the DA) can be seen to be doing his/her job instead of caring if a person is guilty or not. Yeah, great judicial system! not...

Don't play semantics. Spit it out with regard to Russia and Switzerland. What did you mean?

Your second can be taken away too. It's called an amendment.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yet areas with the most restrictive gun control laws have the most violence. Hmm... It almost like you want more violence.

Credible links. Take your time....won't be the first time someone like you will be unable to back up your POV.