Communist rule in US "inevitable"

[Saigon]

Not to worry, I will continue to toy with you like orca tossing a baby seal.

I think a deranged mollusc tossing a carp would be more appropriate.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not to worry, I will continue to toy with you like orca tossing a baby seal.

I think a deranged mollusc tossing a carp would be more appropriate.

Idiot's Sig line! "Quote of the Week:Simple Frank on McCarthyism: "You're spewing total fucking stupid nonsense...Bogart? Chaplin? What the fuck are you talking about?
You don't know the first thing about Joe McCarthy and you refuse to let any facts taint your ignorance. Bogart? Chaplin? Good fucking grief!"

You quoted that so people would see how fundamentally ignorant you are of Joe McCarthy, right?

Still convinced that Joe McCarthy had anything to do with Chaplin and Bogart?

 

[Saigon]

Frank -

I believe the problem here is simply one of literacy. Anyone who can read or write understands that difference between "McCarthyism" or "the McCarthy era" and referring "McCarthy" as an individual.

For instance:

Charlie Chaplin, Victim of McCarthyism, Had MI5 File

He is known to have been prevented from returning to the United States by J. Edgar Hoover in 1953 when he went to London for the premiere of his film Limelight in London. Now, tens of thousands of files from MI5 have been released to the UK National Archives and they reveal that Nobel laureates were among the tens of thousands of people the agency monitored for alleged “communist sympathies” during the McCarthy Era. One of the files released is a file on Charlie Chaplin, who the FBI asked MI5 to monitor to “help get him banned from the US.”

Charlie Chaplin, Victim of McCarthyism, Had MI5 File | The Dissenter

 

[Saigon]

Historical Importance of Charlie Chaplin: Charlie Chaplin was a comic visionary who enjoyed a successful career as an actor, director, writer, and music composer during the silent-movie era. His comic portrayal of a drunk in a bowler hat and baggy pants, better known as “The Little Tramp,” captured the hearts of early movie-goers and became one of his most endearing and enduring characters. Chaplin became one of the most famous and admired men in the world until he fell victim to McCarthyism in 1952.

Charlie Chaplin

 

[there4eyeM]

No one has demonstrated a single positive measure 'Tailgunner' achieved for his constituency. No one has explained all his lying about his war record. His anti-communist harping was just a means to stay elected and on the gravy train, an old tactic of politicians and preachers.

Je repete.

 

[there4eyeM]

We have communists in the entertainment industry to this very day.

And...?

Is there a point to that remark? Are there any extreme rightists in entertainment? Do you know? Would you know? What difference would it make? It has never been illegal to be a member of the Communist Party, a communist or any other political party, even Nazi (remember the first amendment?). What revolution has ever been fomented by actors, authors, directors, grips, gaffers?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank -

I believe the problem here is simply one of literacy. Anyone who can read or write understands that difference between "McCarthyism" or "the McCarthy era" and referring "McCarthy" as an individual.

For instance:

Charlie Chaplin, Victim of McCarthyism, Had MI5 File

He is known to have been prevented from returning to the United States by J. Edgar Hoover in 1953 when he went to London for the premiere of his film Limelight in London. Now, tens of thousands of files from MI5 have been released to the UK National Archives and they reveal that Nobel laureates were among the tens of thousands of people the agency monitored for alleged “communist sympathies” during the McCarthy Era. One of the files released is a file on Charlie Chaplin, who the FBI asked MI5 to monitor to “help get him banned from the US.”

Charlie Chaplin, Victim of McCarthyism, Had MI5 File | The Dissenter

"McCarthyism" is a fake label, like "Climate Change"

In February 1950, Joe McCarthy made his first speech correctly and somewhat understated announcing that Communists had infiltrated the State Dept and White House

How was he responsible for what the House UnAmerican Activities Committee did over a decade prior?

Though the Soviets themselves admit that McCarthy was correct, the Modern Left clings to the old lies and falsehoods like a security blanket

 

[Saigon]

"McCarthyism" is a fake label, like "Climate Change"

Nonsense, it's a perfectly valid and useful term. It is widely used and understood.

"Modern Left" however, is an entirely made up term used by no one at all.

How was he responsible for what the House UnAmerican Activities Committee did over a decade prior?

He wasn't personally responsible for it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"McCarthyism" is a fake label, like "Climate Change"

Nonsense, it's a perfectly valid and useful term. It is widely used and understood.

"Modern Left" however, is an entirely made up term used by no one at all.

It's a lie, on par with the idea that Mann's tree rings tell us we're in for a hockey stick spike in temperatures.

February 9, 1950. Remember the date. Joe McCarthy's first speech.

Yet the liars tell us that McCarthy started a "Red Scare" a year AFTER the Soviets tried to start WWIII by the Berlin Blockade and 4 months before the Chinese gave the go ahead to their NoKo sock puppets to start the Korean War

The Spies in State and the WH relayed our military plans to the ChiComs and got Americans killed. Fucking traitors

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"McCarthyism" is a fake label, like "Climate Change"

Nonsense, it's a perfectly valid and useful term. It is widely used and understood.

"Modern Left" however, is an entirely made up term used by no one at all.

How was he responsible for what the House UnAmerican Activities Committee did over a decade prior?

He wasn't personally responsible for it.

He was a Senator, you Jackass and the HOUSECommittee started a generation before he ever made his first speech

How many times can you all but shout "I don't know dick about any of this but I'm going to keep posting!!!"?

 

[Saigon]

Frank -

As I suggested before, the issue here is one of literacy. You simply do not understand what is being posted.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."[1] The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened fears of communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of Republican U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[WUN]

And, of course, JFK and LBJ led us into the vietnam war because of this type thinking. 59,000 americans died.

I am not at all so sure you are right about JFK.

After the Bay of Pigs his confidence in US INTEL was pretty feeble.

I think he was planning on pulling back on support for S Viet Nam.

Many Americans suspect that was one of the reasons he was killed.

I am one of those Americans, but I also think there were other factors that lead to the decision to have him assassinated.

The only person who decided to assassinate JFK was Lee Harvey Oswald. When you ride around in an open car amidst tall buildings and publicize the route days in advance it drastically increases your chances of someone like Oswald killing you.

 

[Saigon]

WUN -

So you really don't think Lee was in contact with any other people or groups prior to the assassination?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank -

As I suggested before, the issue here is one of literacy. You simply do not understand what is being posted.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."[1] The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened fears of communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of Republican U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You still haven't name a single person unfairly accused by Joe McCarthy

"McCarthy denies the AGW Science!"

 

[WUN]

WUN -

So you really don't think Lee was in contact with any other people or groups prior to the assassination?

I'm sure he was in contact with them, but they thought he was a flake. The Russians didn't want him.

Oswald was not a good candidate to be on 'conspiracy' or 'team' because he opened his mouth too much. Saying he was a patsy is ridiculous because they probably would think he was incapable of even doing that right. That makes it harder for people to accept the fact that a nobody/loser/reject like Oswald would be able to take out the most powerful man on the planet, but Oswald had just enough skill with a rifle and the ideal vantage point to kill someone in a moving open vehicle. This is why conspiracy theories are so prevalant, because when really terrible things happen people think that one person (Osawald) or a small group of people (9/11 terrorists) cannot pull that off and what is needed is a large organization of great minds to have 'success' in creating havoc. Not required - sometimes people can create major disasters with the smallest of efforts or mistakes. Occam's razor prevails far more often than the most grandiose schemes. Usually the more complicated the plans are the more likely an error can be introduced that will cause it to fail.

 

[Saigon]

WUN -

That is a decent theory - Oswald was a flake. On the other hand, he might also have made a convenient fall guy. We'll never know.

Frank -

You still haven't name a single person unfairly accused by Joe McCarthy

McCarthy presented a case-by-case analysis of his 81 "loyalty risks" employed at the State Department. It is widely accepted that most of McCarthy's cases were selected from the so-called "Lee list", a report that had been compiled three years earlier for the House Appropriations Committee. Led by a former Federal Bureau of Investigation agent named Robert E. Lee, the House investigators had reviewed security clearance documents on State Department employees, and had determined that there were "incidents of inefficiencies"[29] in the security reviews of 108 employees. McCarthy hid the source of his list, stating that he had penetrated the "iron curtain" of State Department secrecy with the aid of "some good, loyal Americans in the State Department".[30] In reciting the information from the Lee list cases, McCarthy consistently exaggerated, representing the hearsay of witnesses as facts and converting phrases such as "inclined towards Communism" to "a Communist".

During the hearings, McCarthy moved on from his original unnamed Lee list cases and used the hearings to make charges against nine specific people: Dorothy Kenyon, Esther Brunauer, Haldore Hanson, Gustavo Durán, Owen Lattimore, Harlow Shapley, Frederick Schuman, John S. Service, and Philip Jessup. Some of them no longer worked for the State Department, or never had; all had previously been the subject of charges of varying worth and validity. Owen Lattimore became a particular focus of McCarthy's, who at one point described him as a "top Russian spy". Throughout the hearings, McCarthy employed colorful rhetoric, but produced no substantial evidence, to support his accusations

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[buckeye45_73]

And, of course, JFK and LBJ led us into the vietnam war because of this type thinking. 59,000 americans died.

Absolutely.

It's interesting to think where the US would have gone in the 1950's and 1960's if it hadn't been poisoned by McCathyist paranoia.

ok, so you know about McCarthy, so where was he wrong?
The only reason he lost it, was because he went after the military, had he stuck to hollywood and such, he'd still be there, because he was right prett much 90+ % pf the time

 

[Saigon]

Frank -

Here is a little more about your hero...

McCarthy has been accused of attempting to discredit his critics and political opponents by accusing them of being Communists or communist sympathizers. In the 1950 Maryland Senate election, McCarthy campaigned for John Marshall Butler in his race against four-term incumbent Millard Tydings, with whom McCarthy had been in conflict during the Tydings Committee hearings. In speeches supporting Butler, McCarthy accused Tydings of "protecting Communists" and "shielding traitors". McCarthy's staff was heavily involved in the campaign, and collaborated in the production of a campaign tabloid that contained a composite photograph doctored to make it appear that Tydings was in intimate conversation with Communist leader Earl Russell Browder.[36][37][38] A Senate subcommittee later investigated this election and referred to it as "a despicable, back-street type of campaign", as well as recommending that the use of defamatory literature in a campaign be made grounds for expulsion from the Senate.[39] The pamphlet was clearly labeled a composite. McCarthy said it was "wrong" to distribute it; though staffer Jean Kerr thought it was fine. After his election defeat, Tydings claimed foul play. Tydings lost by almost 40,000 votes. His reelection campaign was in trouble before Tydings butted heads with McCarthy. Tydings was the highly visible chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and had some responsibility for the lack of preparedness for the Korean campaign. Tydings was increasingly unpopular with African-American voters because of his support for Jim Crow laws. At election time McCarthy and anti-communism were popular with Maryland's Catholic voters

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saigon]

ok, so you know about McCarthy, so where was he wrong?
The only reason he lost it, was because he went after the military, had he stuck to hollywood and such, he'd still be there, because he was right prett much 90+ % pf the time

He was wrong because he attacked people simply because he did not like them, knowing an accusation of communism would be enough to finished their careers in many cases.

See the post above this one for an example of that.

As for right "90% of the time" - have you heard of a thing called 'innocent until proven guilty'?

 

[buckeye45_73]

ok, so you know about McCarthy, so where was he wrong?
The only reason he lost it, was because he went after the military, had he stuck to hollywood and such, he'd still be there, because he was right prett much 90+ % pf the time

He was wrong because he attacked people simply because he did not like them, knowing an accusation of communism would be enough to finished their careers in many cases.

See the post above this one for an example of that.

As for right "90% of the time" - have you heard of a thing called 'innocent until proven guilty'?

SAigon, have you seen the record of the people he went after? Most of them WERE COMMIES....so he was RIGHT....he then went after the military and that's what stopped him, because while he may have been right, people didnt like attacking the military......

So please show me some wrongful convictions.....here is an interesting CORRECT one...Sean Penn's father

Leo Penn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The hypocrisy of Sean Penn - Baltimore History | Examiner.com


Sean Penn is the son of one Leo Penn. Leo Penn was a Hollywood actor and communist during the CPUSA’s heyday in the film colony. Leo refused to name names to the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) and was blacklisted with many other Hollywood communists. However, Penn was also an ardent Stalinist, denounced Franklin Roosevelt as a war monger, advocated for American neutrality toward Europe, and supported the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939—which eviscerated Poland and set the stage for the Katyn Forest Massacre. It should be noted as well that Josef Stalin is responsible for the murder of over 20 million people, whether it be from the Ukrainian Terror Famine, the Gulag, or the Great Terror


I think it says it all.....