Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

[Coyote]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


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We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

 

[BS Filter]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

Key Terms for those suffering TDS (Trump Defense System): Independent Oversight.

Key Term for you, how about cutting and pasting the part of the article that showed any actual hint of anything wrong?

I haven't made a claim about wrong doing - yet. The point is - the Dems are right. This needs independent oversight, that you guys resist! People who need this money aren't getting it. The real small business!

Your walking it back is noted. I like the way you laid the ground work for coming back to it later, to smear Trump again. Where if you are called on how silly it is, you will drop it again. Until the next time.

Pretty smooth. I give you a 8.5 on that one, wally.


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He's not being smeared - the OP is 100% accurate. That company has close ties with Trump. Now...do you want to make a bet that if it had close ties to Pelosi or Biden, you wouldn't be all over that? Don't lie. We both know the answer.

But this article and others that follow on also address the larger problem - which you conveniently ignore. And that is that the Republicans refused to allow for greater oversight or stricter language on who qualifies. As a result...well, you will see the fall out from it.

People don't care so much about that as they do about Pelosi's delays of their money.

 

[iceberg]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. but given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair.

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

Agreed that an after action review does need to happen.... Each and every detail of the bailouts needs to be over with a fine toothed comb. Preferably by a non partisan entity, but I doubt there is such a thing in the time of President Trump.
It would be interesting to find out why a large part of the pork put into the stimulus was "necessary"
It would be interesting to see if claims of millions going out then went to various democratic campaign contributions.. To me that would be a big no no.
It would be interesting to see which of the companies that received loans really needed them or were they just hedging their collective bets?
Right now, there are so many loan applications filed and going through the process and by all news reports the fund is dry. It'll be interesting to see which small business' survive and which ones don't. I would hope the process to be fair, and the intent may have been for it to be so, but rarely is anything fair when politicians are involved.

Or Republican campaign donations.

How about political donations? Why just worry about the OTHER sides actions?

I have to think that mindset is why we are so dysfunctional.

Dude. I was replying to a post that specified only Democratic campaign donations. If you're going to go off on it, at least try to hit both sides.

I would think POLITICAL DONATIONS AS I CONTINUE TO CALL OUT would do that. If I missed a part of a quote my bad. The quoting in here sucks balls.

No one's balls, in particular.

 

[iceberg]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


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We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

So much for being fair. You are out to prove this, or reaffirm. Talking about it is pointless really now. Just spawns stupid circular arguments.

 

[Correll]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


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We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

I asked you if you were dropping the claim from tHE op, and that was why you were launching new accusations.


And I posted a comic demonstrating the dishonest tactic of circular debating.


your response was to dodge.


Very telling. Wally. Do you mind if I call you wally?

 

[iceberg]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

Key Terms for those suffering TDS (Trump Defense System): Independent Oversight.

Key Term for you, how about cutting and pasting the part of the article that showed any actual hint of anything wrong?

I haven't made a claim about wrong doing - yet. The point is - the Dems are right. This needs independent oversight, that you guys resist! People who need this money aren't getting it. The real small business!

Your walking it back is noted. I like the way you laid the ground work for coming back to it later, to smear Trump again. Where if you are called on how silly it is, you will drop it again. Until the next time.

Pretty smooth. I give you a 8.5 on that one, wally.


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He's not being smeared - the OP is 100% accurate. That company has close ties with Trump. Now...do you want to make a bet that if it had close ties to Pelosi or Biden, you wouldn't be all over that? Don't lie. We both know the answer.

But this article and others that follow on also address the larger problem - which you conveniently ignore. And that is that the Republicans refused to allow for greater oversight or stricter language on who qualifies. As a result...well, you will see the fall out from it.

Big fucking deal the company has, ties to Trump.

Prove intent. Prove a link other that the vague "ties".

This is why no one takes Trump bitchibg seriously. The left has bitched at everything from fast food choices to 2 scoops of ice cream to how he talks.

Like I said when Trump took office. There will come a time Trump warrants the criticism but no one will care cause f all the WOLF crying

 

[Coyote]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. or did trumps businesses also benefit from this (as thousands of other businesses did as well) and the left wants to bitch about it? they bitch about everything it seems. now, given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair. so did he?

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

So...you are already assigning a blame to Pelosi and Schiff? You are pinpointing them aren't you? Do you think the Republicans are capable of an honest post mortem these days?

A rushed bill isn't really a good excuse because some of this was addressed in what Pelosi wanted added to the bill.

Actually I was gambling with other people's testicle as to what these 2 will do. They are free to prove me wrong.

I am not assigning blame to none. I am saying I believe schiff movies are NOT to fix processes but to blame Trump.

You disagree? Great tell me why. If I'm not being clear, ask for clarification.

As for kicking schiff in the nuts, that's general satisfaction to me. No need to blame him for anything. I'll be glad to refrain from saying things like this as soon as you call out the Trump rhetoric and violent statements towards him.

I'm getting confused about who's testicle is where. You want me to call out Trump's rhetoric and violent statements towards Schiff? That's too easy:


“Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday. Where is the oversight?

In the meantime, let me ask this - specifically - why did Trump undercut the oversight provisions in the stimulus bill?

Democrats agreed to nearly $500 billion in assistance for large corporations, largely on the condition that the bill would include several watchdogs to oversee the fund. Those include a special inspector general nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, a panel of inspectors general from government agencies, and a committee whose members will be picked by congressional leaders.

But since signing the bill late last month, Trump has pushed back against oversight of his administration’s management of the bailout amid a broader fight against the independent government watchdogs.

He announced in a signing statement that he considered the parts of the bill requiring the special inspector general to issue certain reports to Congress to be unconstitutional and would not allow them without “presidential supervision.” This week, he demoted Pentagon Inspector General Glenn Fine, effectively disqualifying him from chairing the panel of watchdogs overseeing the fund. And he’s nominated one of his own lawyers, associate White House counsel Brian Miller, to serve as the special inspector general.

 

[iceberg]

You can't discuss Trump and what is going on objectively when you start those conversations out to prove Trump was wrong anyway. Period.

People try to talk about the issue, others make it about their hate of a person. It's entirely possible to hate someone and still not blame them for every single thing.

Schiff for example. I suspect he will use "post mortum" to attack Trump. I would love to be wrong. I'm open to this need g to be done so agree with him there. But I do want to know his end goal. I'm likely to disagree there.

 

[Coyote]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


View attachment 326230

We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

I asked you if you were dropping the claim from tHE op, and that was why you were launching new accusations.


And I posted a comic demonstrating the dishonest tactic of circular debating.


your response was to dodge.


Very telling. Wally. Do you mind if I call you wally?


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I didn't drop the claim from the OP. It said what it said and I agree with it. But - in MY OP - you know, the part you did not read before your TDS kicked in - I stated:

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Which is the larger issue you choose to ignore in your automatic defense of all things Trump.

 

[iceberg]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. or did trumps businesses also benefit from this (as thousands of other businesses did as well) and the left wants to bitch about it? they bitch about everything it seems. now, given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair. so did he?

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

So...you are already assigning a blame to Pelosi and Schiff? You are pinpointing them aren't you? Do you think the Republicans are capable of an honest post mortem these days?

A rushed bill isn't really a good excuse because some of this was addressed in what Pelosi wanted added to the bill.

Actually I was gambling with other people's testicle as to what these 2 will do. They are free to prove me wrong.

I am not assigning blame to none. I am saying I believe schiff movies are NOT to fix processes but to blame Trump.

You disagree? Great tell me why. If I'm not being clear, ask for clarification.

As for kicking schiff in the nuts, that's general satisfaction to me. No need to blame him for anything. I'll be glad to refrain from saying things like this as soon as you call out the Trump rhetoric and violent statements towards him.

I'm getting confused about who's testicle is where. You want me to call out Trump's rhetoric and violent statements towards Schiff? That's too easy:


“Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday. Where is the oversight?

In the meantime, let me ask this - specifically - why did Trump undercut the oversight provisions in the stimulus bill?

Democrats agreed to nearly $500 billion in assistance for large corporations, largely on the condition that the bill would include several watchdogs to oversee the fund. Those include a special inspector general nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, a panel of inspectors general from government agencies, and a committee whose members will be picked by congressional leaders.

But since signing the bill late last month, Trump has pushed back against oversight of his administration’s management of the bailout amid a broader fight against the independent government watchdogs.

He announced in a signing statement that he considered the parts of the bill requiring the special inspector general to issue certain reports to Congress to be unconstitutional and would not allow them without “presidential supervision.” This week, he demoted Pentagon Inspector General Glenn Fine, effectively disqualifying him from chairing the panel of watchdogs overseeing the fund. And he’s nominated one of his own lawyers, associate White House counsel Brian Miller, to serve as the special inspector general.

Not
Even
Close.

I'm saying just because there is a tie to Trump doesn't mean it's bad or nefarious. You seem to be saying there's a tie so Trump is evil.

I'm simply not willing to make that leap with you. Not against Trump. Pelosi, schiff, or anyone.

It's a fucked up in the head thing to do and simply an emotional shortcut to your desired outcome.

 

[Coyote]

You can't discuss Trump and what is going on objectively when you start those conversations out to prove Trump was wrong anyway. Period.

People try to talk about the issue, others make it about their hate of a person. It's entirely possible to hate someone and still not blame them for every single thing.

Schiff for example. I suspect he will use "post mortum" to attack Trump. I would love to be wrong. I'm open to this need g to be done so agree with him there. But I do want to know his end goal. I'm likely to disagree there.

Oh I agree with you about Schiff, because that is POLITICS and both sides will try to grab a crisis for political advantage.

 

[Canon Shooter]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

In the United States, a "small business" is determined by the number of employees, not by revenue. In the United States, that number of employees is 500.

As for other companies not getting the loans, there could be any number of reasons why they didn't get them, and none of those reason will have anything to do with this one company getting a loan...

prolly 100's of small businesses that didnt make enough money to qualify for a loan -

Maybe. I have no idea what the criteria was for applying...

 

[iceberg]

You can't discuss Trump and what is going on objectively when you start those conversations out to prove Trump was wrong anyway. Period.

People try to talk about the issue, others make it about their hate of a person. It's entirely possible to hate someone and still not blame them for every single thing.

Schiff for example. I suspect he will use "post mortum" to attack Trump. I would love to be wrong. I'm open to this need g to be done so agree with him there. But I do want to know his end goal. I'm likely to disagree there.

Oh I agree with you about Schiff, because that is POLITICS and both sides will try to grab a crisis for political advantage.

Yet wrong when Trump does it.

 

[Coyote]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. or did trumps businesses also benefit from this (as thousands of other businesses did as well) and the left wants to bitch about it? they bitch about everything it seems. now, given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair. so did he?

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

So...you are already assigning a blame to Pelosi and Schiff? You are pinpointing them aren't you? Do you think the Republicans are capable of an honest post mortem these days?

A rushed bill isn't really a good excuse because some of this was addressed in what Pelosi wanted added to the bill.

Actually I was gambling with other people's testicle as to what these 2 will do. They are free to prove me wrong.

I am not assigning blame to none. I am saying I believe schiff movies are NOT to fix processes but to blame Trump.

You disagree? Great tell me why. If I'm not being clear, ask for clarification.

As for kicking schiff in the nuts, that's general satisfaction to me. No need to blame him for anything. I'll be glad to refrain from saying things like this as soon as you call out the Trump rhetoric and violent statements towards him.

I'm getting confused about who's testicle is where. You want me to call out Trump's rhetoric and violent statements towards Schiff? That's too easy:


“Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday. Where is the oversight?

In the meantime, let me ask this - specifically - why did Trump undercut the oversight provisions in the stimulus bill?

Democrats agreed to nearly $500 billion in assistance for large corporations, largely on the condition that the bill would include several watchdogs to oversee the fund. Those include a special inspector general nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, a panel of inspectors general from government agencies, and a committee whose members will be picked by congressional leaders.

But since signing the bill late last month, Trump has pushed back against oversight of his administration’s management of the bailout amid a broader fight against the independent government watchdogs.

He announced in a signing statement that he considered the parts of the bill requiring the special inspector general to issue certain reports to Congress to be unconstitutional and would not allow them without “presidential supervision.” This week, he demoted Pentagon Inspector General Glenn Fine, effectively disqualifying him from chairing the panel of watchdogs overseeing the fund. And he’s nominated one of his own lawyers, associate White House counsel Brian Miller, to serve as the special inspector general.

Not
Even
Close.

I'm saying just because there is a tie to Trump doesn't mean it's bad or nefarious. You seem to be saying there's a tie so Trump is evil.

I'm simply not willing to make that leap with you. Not against Trump. Pelosi, schiff, or anyone.

It's a fucked up in the head thing to do and simply an emotional shortcut to your desired outcome.

I don't tend to use language like "evil" in describing people, so let's not go there.

Let me put it this way: the solution Congress wanted (and it was a bipartisan one) would have led to reasonable oversight (lessons learned from the first stimulus).

I posted an article from a reputable source, showing that Trump is not going to go along with it and in several key specific ways (appointing his own lawyer for God's sakes?). No senate confirmation? Seriously? His party owns the Senate and he won't even do that?

So. Let's hear of a logical good reason for these actions - one that serves the interests of the people (taxpayers) who's money is being spent.

 

[Coyote]

You can't discuss Trump and what is going on objectively when you start those conversations out to prove Trump was wrong anyway. Period.

People try to talk about the issue, others make it about their hate of a person. It's entirely possible to hate someone and still not blame them for every single thing.

Schiff for example. I suspect he will use "post mortum" to attack Trump. I would love to be wrong. I'm open to this need g to be done so agree with him there. But I do want to know his end goal. I'm likely to disagree there.

Oh I agree with you about Schiff, because that is POLITICS and both sides will try to grab a crisis for political advantage.

Yet wrong when Trump does it.

No, I don't say it's wrong - the Republicans do it and of course I don't like it (anymore than you like it when the Dems do it) - but I am well aware both sides engage in utilizing the many dumpster fires burning in what passes for politics today.

 

[iceberg]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. or did trumps businesses also benefit from this (as thousands of other businesses did as well) and the left wants to bitch about it? they bitch about everything it seems. now, given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair. so did he?

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

So...you are already assigning a blame to Pelosi and Schiff? You are pinpointing them aren't you? Do you think the Republicans are capable of an honest post mortem these days?

A rushed bill isn't really a good excuse because some of this was addressed in what Pelosi wanted added to the bill.

Actually I was gambling with other people's testicle as to what these 2 will do. They are free to prove me wrong.

I am not assigning blame to none. I am saying I believe schiff movies are NOT to fix processes but to blame Trump.

You disagree? Great tell me why. If I'm not being clear, ask for clarification.

As for kicking schiff in the nuts, that's general satisfaction to me. No need to blame him for anything. I'll be glad to refrain from saying things like this as soon as you call out the Trump rhetoric and violent statements towards him.

I'm getting confused about who's testicle is where. You want me to call out Trump's rhetoric and violent statements towards Schiff? That's too easy:


“Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday. Where is the oversight?

In the meantime, let me ask this - specifically - why did Trump undercut the oversight provisions in the stimulus bill?

Democrats agreed to nearly $500 billion in assistance for large corporations, largely on the condition that the bill would include several watchdogs to oversee the fund. Those include a special inspector general nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, a panel of inspectors general from government agencies, and a committee whose members will be picked by congressional leaders.

But since signing the bill late last month, Trump has pushed back against oversight of his administration’s management of the bailout amid a broader fight against the independent government watchdogs.

He announced in a signing statement that he considered the parts of the bill requiring the special inspector general to issue certain reports to Congress to be unconstitutional and would not allow them without “presidential supervision.” This week, he demoted Pentagon Inspector General Glenn Fine, effectively disqualifying him from chairing the panel of watchdogs overseeing the fund. And he’s nominated one of his own lawyers, associate White House counsel Brian Miller, to serve as the special inspector general.

Not
Even
Close.

I'm saying just because there is a tie to Trump doesn't mean it's bad or nefarious. You seem to be saying there's a tie so Trump is evil.

I'm simply not willing to make that leap with you. Not against Trump. Pelosi, schiff, or anyone.

It's a fucked up in the head thing to do and simply an emotional shortcut to your desired outcome.

I don't tend to use language like "evil" in describing people, so let's not go there.

Let me put it this way: the solution Congress wanted (and it was a bipartisan one) would have led to reasonable oversight (lessons learned from the first stimulus).

I posted an article from a reputable source, showing that Trump is not going to go along with it and in several key specific ways (appointing his own lawyer for God's sakes?). No senate confirmation? Seriously? His party owns the Senate and he won't even do that?

So. Let's hear of a logical good reason for these actions - one that serves the interests of the people (taxpayers) who's money is being spent.

So someone being personally corrupt is "not" evil? Do you know him on a personal level?

The problem with trying to have a policy or political conversation with many is that the discussion EVERY SINGLE TIME turns into XYZ SUCKS and derails.

That's why I like to know going in the goals of the people I'm talking to. Talk policy and what we can do, or bitch at our politicians and blame them expressing our hate and disdain time and time again as if people need to be reminded.

Totally different types of convos and I'm long since tired of every discussion ending in hate for each other.

We all need to grow the fuck up.

 

[Correll]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


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We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

I asked you if you were dropping the claim from tHE op, and that was why you were launching new accusations.


And I posted a comic demonstrating the dishonest tactic of circular debating.


your response was to dodge.


Very telling. Wally. Do you mind if I call you wally?


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I didn't drop the claim from the OP. It said what it said and I agree with it. But - in MY OP - you know, the part you did not read before your TDS kicked in - I stated:

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Which is the larger issue you choose to ignore in your automatic defense of all things Trump.

And as I said, if you wanted to focus on the way big business abuses all systems, you should have focused on that, instead of letting your obsession with Trump rule you.

 

[Coyote]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

i'd agree we need this type of oversight when handing out money. the issue is - how much and when it is too much and no longer a grant or loan but paying you to do something? i think most agree we need to be helping others. where it falls apart is by how much we should help. unfortunately since this is the government jacking with everyone, they get to pay. only THEY is US.

shake shack was lauded for giving back a $10mil loan. people went nuts. i read the story and saw they only did it *after* securing other funding. but here i'm torn. employment is employment. shake shack employs thousands, self employed, 1. where do you put your focus? this isn't to pick on anyone or say they don't deserve some help - not at all. just saying we have finite resources and not everyone who needs help, unfortunately, is going to get it.

this had to be done quick. i'd only really care *if* it was done TO GIVE his businesses the help and prioritized them over others. or did trumps businesses also benefit from this (as thousands of other businesses did as well) and the left wants to bitch about it? they bitch about everything it seems. now, given we've never been through this before, what process do you use to be "fair"? i'm betting pogos testicles there simply isn't a way TO be fair. so did he?

now to continue "to be fair" - i'm confident of that bet. its just a general rule to never gamble with your own genitalia.

where i agree with schiff is we need a post mortem. but ONLY IF that is done to learn. in a true "post mortem" there is no blame there is no assignment of responsibility. only where things broke down as a whole and as a whole how to improve and keep it from happening again. here is where i bet slades privates that schiff isn't about to do a true "post mortem" and is all out to attack.

again.

someone should kick him in the nuts.

again. and again. and again. he can put some of pelosis designer ice cream on them when done.

So...you are already assigning a blame to Pelosi and Schiff? You are pinpointing them aren't you? Do you think the Republicans are capable of an honest post mortem these days?

A rushed bill isn't really a good excuse because some of this was addressed in what Pelosi wanted added to the bill.

Actually I was gambling with other people's testicle as to what these 2 will do. They are free to prove me wrong.

I am not assigning blame to none. I am saying I believe schiff movies are NOT to fix processes but to blame Trump.

You disagree? Great tell me why. If I'm not being clear, ask for clarification.

As for kicking schiff in the nuts, that's general satisfaction to me. No need to blame him for anything. I'll be glad to refrain from saying things like this as soon as you call out the Trump rhetoric and violent statements towards him.

I'm getting confused about who's testicle is where. You want me to call out Trump's rhetoric and violent statements towards Schiff? That's too easy:


“Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday. Where is the oversight?

In the meantime, let me ask this - specifically - why did Trump undercut the oversight provisions in the stimulus bill?

Democrats agreed to nearly $500 billion in assistance for large corporations, largely on the condition that the bill would include several watchdogs to oversee the fund. Those include a special inspector general nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, a panel of inspectors general from government agencies, and a committee whose members will be picked by congressional leaders.

But since signing the bill late last month, Trump has pushed back against oversight of his administration’s management of the bailout amid a broader fight against the independent government watchdogs.

He announced in a signing statement that he considered the parts of the bill requiring the special inspector general to issue certain reports to Congress to be unconstitutional and would not allow them without “presidential supervision.” This week, he demoted Pentagon Inspector General Glenn Fine, effectively disqualifying him from chairing the panel of watchdogs overseeing the fund. And he’s nominated one of his own lawyers, associate White House counsel Brian Miller, to serve as the special inspector general.

Not
Even
Close.

I'm saying just because there is a tie to Trump doesn't mean it's bad or nefarious. You seem to be saying there's a tie so Trump is evil.

I'm simply not willing to make that leap with you. Not against Trump. Pelosi, schiff, or anyone.

It's a fucked up in the head thing to do and simply an emotional shortcut to your desired outcome.

I don't tend to use language like "evil" in describing people, so let's not go there.

Let me put it this way: the solution Congress wanted (and it was a bipartisan one) would have led to reasonable oversight (lessons learned from the first stimulus).

I posted an article from a reputable source, showing that Trump is not going to go along with it and in several key specific ways (appointing his own lawyer for God's sakes?). No senate confirmation? Seriously? His party owns the Senate and he won't even do that?

So. Let's hear of a logical good reason for these actions - one that serves the interests of the people (taxpayers) who's money is being spent.

So someone being personally corrupt is "not" evil? Do you know him on a personal level?

The problem with trying to have a policy or political conversation with many is that the discussion EVERY SINGLE TIME turns into XYZ SUCKS and derails.

That's why I like to know going in the goals of the people I'm talking to. Talk policy and what we can do, or bitch at our politicians and blame them expressing our hate and disdain time and time again as if people need to be reminded.

Totally different types of convos and I'm long since tired of every discussion ending in hate for each other.

We all need to grow the fuck up.

People are fallible. They are human. They can be bad, immoral, weak, whatever. But when you start assigning adjectives like evil, you are engaging in red flag language that says full stop - what is the speakers agenda here? Evil is reserved for a very few who have well earned it (Hitler comes to mind).

When people start assigning "evil" to folks like Trump...or Clinton...or Obama...well, what does that make someone like Hitler? Or, the many lesser known people who engage in the same?

 

[Coyote]

Trump has ties to huge numbers of people in business. ANd you found one that got money from a program designed to hand out money?


Shocking.

This isn't just some random company that happened to have ties to Trump. It is his Campaign Finance Chair for Illinois, and the man he named as ambassador to Belgium, and the company did more than 100 million dollars of business last year who got 5.5 million by claiming to be a small business. Everything and everybody associated with that obese orange fool turns out to be a scam taking money from people who really deserve it.

Ok, now show that A other big businesses are not doing the same, and the B. Trump or someone close to him had any involvement.


Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.

The fact that big companies were quickly given all the money, leaving none for real small businesses doesn't justify anything. WTF is wrong with you to think that it would?

Oh, so, your dropping the whole, this accusation of Trump and personal corruption and changing the subject to the way that big businesses are so good at playing any system to their own benefit?


Love to talk about that. First, clearly state that you are dropping the whole anti-Trump nonsense.


I don't want you circling back to it, like you Wallys always do.


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We already know Trump is personally corrupt.

I asked you if you were dropping the claim from tHE op, and that was why you were launching new accusations.


And I posted a comic demonstrating the dishonest tactic of circular debating.


your response was to dodge.


Very telling. Wally. Do you mind if I call you wally?


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I didn't drop the claim from the OP. It said what it said and I agree with it. But - in MY OP - you know, the part you did not read before your TDS kicked in - I stated:

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Which is the larger issue you choose to ignore in your automatic defense of all things Trump.

And as I said, if you wanted to focus on the way big business abuses all systems, you should have focused on that, instead of letting your obsession with Trump rule you.

Your obsession with defending Trump at all costs is noted in your inability to have read the OP before launching into this.

 

[Cellblock2429]

This is why we need independent oversight for these vast sums of money going out...100 million in sales and still a "small business"....?

Company With Ties To Trump Receives Millions From Small Business Loan Program

Many businesses have struggled to get any money from the Paycheck Protection Program. But a company owned by a prominent Chicago family received a $5.5 million loan.

www.npr.org

While many small businesses have found it difficult or impossible to get one of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck Protection Program loans, a company owned by a prominent Chicago family with close ties to the Trump administration was able to get a $5.5 million loan under the program, according to documents the company filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.

U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz, who was appointed in 2018, was then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign finance chair for Illinois in the 2016 presidential campaign. According to filings with the SEC, Gidwitz's family owns the majority of Continental Materials Corp., which secured the 1% interest loan.

Continental Materials makes heating and cooling equipment and construction products. While it had more than $100 million in sales last year, it qualified for the loan because it meets the Small Business Administration's industry-specific "small business" size standards, according to company chief financial officer Paul Ainsworth.

Still, the company's loan is much larger than the typical PPP loan, according to a summary releasedby the Small Business Administration last week. The average loan was just over $200,000, and fewer than 1% of the loans under the program were greater than $5 million.

While the company may qualify as a small business under the PPP program, there are many much smaller businesses that have been unsuccessful in obtaining or even applying for the loans from their banks.

/----/ "With close ties"
What a load of crapola. You libtards are hysterical. So any companies with close ties to Nancy Piglosi or Upchuck Schumer getting a loan?